Jogro
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Just used what you said as a springboard to expand on "greed". It seems clear we agree on this.
Again, greed has NOTHING to do with prices. Its irrelevant.
If you're more greedy, do you get paid more? Of course not.
Grower vs Dealer: who should make more?
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Just used what you said as a springboard to expand on "greed". It seems clear we agree on this.
Again, greed has NOTHING to do with prices. Its irrelevant.
If you're more greedy, do you get paid more? Of course not.
Shaggy Green
Member
Here is a crazy concept...grow for yourself and avoid the illegal dealing side of everything...less stress, paranoia, and far less chance of losing your friends over a plant that is meant to relax and to enjoy!
scroglodyte
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i don't know, but I know one has to stick at 17............(Dealers get more exposure .......my "time" = your money)
not "my" as in me.........i've hung up my guns......
not "my" as in me.........i've hung up my guns......
Jogro
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First of all, as I mentioned above, how much the end product is worth has very little to do with what it costs you in energy to grow it!
Market value is determined by supply and demand, which is is to a large part dependent on WHERE you are geographically. Even though electricity literally costs on average TWICE in California, what it does in North Dakota, the price of weed is still probably going to be lower in California, because there is a legal/gray market industry in CA and a much better supply. If you're in Mexico, again, there is so much pot grown outside, and the economy is so lousy, that once you factor in equipment costs and the value of your time, you literally may be able to buy commercially grown weed cheaper than you can grow it yourself indoors.
In terms of measuring your costs, you just use simple arithmetic.
A "quick and dirty" estimate of your power cost per crop would be the nominal power rating of your lamps x hours burned x cost per hour as an estimate of how much energy you're using.
For example, if you're growing under a 400W HPS, then you're using roughly 400 watts per hour, or 0.4 kilowatts/hr. If your grow cycle is 30 days of seedling/veg at 24-0 then 60 days of flower at 12-12, then your lamp will be on a total of 1440 hours for that grow cycle. 1440 hours x 0.4 kw/h = a total draw of 576 kilowatts for lighting the entire grow.
If you're paying 12 cents per kilowatt-hour for electricity (which is close to the national median) for power, then you'll have used a total of $69.12 worth of electricity over your 90 day grow cycle, or roughly $23 per month. Whether or not that extra $23 will be a noticeable increase in your monthly bill is going to depend largely on the size of that bill. If you're living in a small apt by yourself, you'd probably notice the difference. If you are living in a large house with several other people, probably not.
If you want to estimate energy cost/gram, you could take your total energy cost in dollars, then divide it by the total harvest yield in grams.
Now, realistically, computing total costs is a little more complicated than that.
In terms of TRUE energy use, you have to also count the energy used by your lamp ballasts (which add roughly 10% more on top of bulb energy use), by fans or other cooling, by any timers you may be running, and by any pumps or other hydroponics devices. Together those could easily add another 15-20% to total energy used. If you want to know the EXACT amount of energy any device uses, there are meters you can buy that will directly measure current/energy draw of any particular device plugged into them, and doing it that way is a lot better than trying to read the amounts from your home electricity meter.
Also, if you really want to know your true material cost per grow, there is more to it than energy cost. You also have to include your cost for seeds, soil, pots, water, nutrients, light bulb depreciation, odor control and/or other security. You will also need to count your "setup costs" (ie costs of lights, fans, bulbs, etc), though that cost could fairly be amortized over multiple grows.
Total cost = your material cost (seeds, soil, pots, water, nutes, equipment cost amortized over number of grows, bulb replacement cost) + energy cost + value of your time x hours worked.
Divide your total cost by your total harvest yield weight in grams to give the true production cost per gram.
Note that if you're otherwise busy, or your time is really valuable, it may not "pay" for you to grow your own weed, again explaining why it makes perfect sense for some people to pay $400 an ounce for weed that on paper "could" be produced at only $30/oz materials and energy costs. If you want the stuff TODAY, instead of 4 months from now, growing may not make sense. Also, if you're not regularly consuming large amounts of it, it simply may not be worth it for you to you to go to the trouble, take the time, and incur the startup costs of setting up your own garden and learning how to grow.
Again, just because its easy for SOME people to grow their own weed for only a few dollars per ounce, doesn't mean that its practical for everyone to do that.
DROPZILLA
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where the fuck do you live with prices like that?
i can get a pound, driven from cali to las vegas (my city), of outdoor kush for 1200 - 1300 eeeasily..
i would love to get a couple pounds for the cheap, go on a "vacation" to a few cities, and collect the difference
profit of around 3000 per pound.. oooooohhhhh wwwweeeee!!
the west coast has the best prices i.m.o
i can get a pound, driven from cali to las vegas (my city), of outdoor kush for 1200 - 1300 eeeasily..
i would love to get a couple pounds for the cheap, go on a "vacation" to a few cities, and collect the difference
profit of around 3000 per pound.. oooooohhhhh wwwweeeee!!
DROPZILLA
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rrrriiiiiggghhhhttt..^lol..... do you really call it an 8ball? haha, if I told people I was giving them an 8ball for 60 bucks they'd def be surprised to see a bag of weed
and, this could be just me, i have never heard of the term VICK for weed slang..
cannawizard
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who gives a $hit?
Deion619
Member
some people do it like that..
if you sell an ounce for $250 to a dealer than he will only make a $150.. it cost you a couple dollars just to produce 1 ounce of weed..
this dealer will also have to buy plastic baggies for the weed, they will also smoke some of their product..
The Outdoorsman
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LOL "this dealer will also have to buy plastic bags"
Harrekin
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Yeah that guy is hilarious.
richinweed
Active Member
everyone takes the same actual risk as its all part of a bigger cospiracy,...altho the grower has it in his world for much longer,and does all the hard work ..nobody should no about the grow....the dealer has it in his posession for far less time....but many ppl know........the street dealers ..wouldnt kno about them as this is an element ive chosen not to endulge, but thier work must suck...seems more like survival than casual.....anyway .unless the grower screws up royally it shouldnt cost more than 20 an oz finished...so the grower has the most profit by proxy.....but also does all the TLC.
Deion619
Member
sorry but im just speaking the truth, may sound funny but this is taking money out the dealers pockets... im just trying to help the guy understand things..
TheRabbitDownUnder
Member
Growers should definitely get more than the actual dealer.
The grower has this plant growing for months either outdoors where risk of detection is greater, or indoors where it chews more of their power. Dealers usually have their network set up, the specific people & groups that they deal to.
A dealer obviously carries a lot of risk, but if the dealer is only dealing to regular customers then he/she lowers their risk. All they do is pick the marijuana up, maybe package it up, and then drop it off to their clients. They're not the ones putting all the effort into the crop, making sure everything is perfect.
Im not downplaying either role, or saying one is better than the other. I'd much rather grow then deal, but growers should be paid more than the dealer. They're doing a lot more work in most cases.
The grower has this plant growing for months either outdoors where risk of detection is greater, or indoors where it chews more of their power. Dealers usually have their network set up, the specific people & groups that they deal to.
A dealer obviously carries a lot of risk, but if the dealer is only dealing to regular customers then he/she lowers their risk. All they do is pick the marijuana up, maybe package it up, and then drop it off to their clients. They're not the ones putting all the effort into the crop, making sure everything is perfect.
Im not downplaying either role, or saying one is better than the other. I'd much rather grow then deal, but growers should be paid more than the dealer. They're doing a lot more work in most cases.
malignant
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its a symbiotic relationship the growers the shark, and the dealer is the little fish that cleans off the shark keeps it healthy, and lives off its leftovers. its the growers responsibility to provide a consistent quality and wholesale prices that allow the person(s) unloading it for them to double up if they want to run quarter and smaller breakdowns. if they sell larger quanitiy there isnt as much room for profit. the problem is too many damned middlemen. everyone trying to smoke for free by hustling, if your not 1 degree separation from the grower, or runner you really dont have any business dealing it, every person takes their piece of the pie, if your 3rd man down on the totem pole your driving up the prices, bringing the quality down and you might be part of the problem. 1k$ a qp or 35 on a p, front it out and lean, by the 3rd one they should be able to cover their own end. the dealer should have the opportunity to make more by moving more volume, and can get from more than one grower, where as the grower is limited to 85 day rotations (with dry and partial cure) and the limits of the light they're working with.