++Hellraizers++ DO AND DONTs and in and outs of the ebb&grow/ebb&flow systems

For sure man. You can even use the lip on your coils to hang it from the reservoir if you ever have your res more then half full. The only problems you have with them is when the hose or fittings are sitting in your solution. If you can avoid that then you are good. Plus, since they are so efficient; if you were using them to just cool your solutions I bet you could get by without a chiller. I mean the water you have to pump through them doesn't have to be that cold. Maybe just a few degrees cooler then you want your solution. Some guys are just using the frozen bottles of water, a 30 gallon reservoir, and a basic mag drive or reservoir pump.
 
Thats crazy phillip cant wait to get them installed, im going to run the out of the same 55 gal res that going to be feeding my
Heat exchangers
 
You need to run chilled water through them. If you have the cash then it helps. If not you can just put frozen bottles of water into the reservoir you use for the water lines to those coils or some guys even run them drain to waste.
 
phillipchristian said:
You need to run chilled water through them. If you have the cash then it helps. If not you can just put frozen bottles of water into the reservoir you use for the water lines to those coils or some guys even run them drain to waste.
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I was planning on getting a chiller in the next few grows at least. I've been lucky that my water doesn't get crazy hot, but I still need to get one. I'm sure it will up my yield enough to offset the cost.
 
hellraizer30 said:
Hey nightbirdx as to what system to get, hands down get the titan! And
I have run bc line with great result! Little bit of mag issue but easy to fix,
Yield was great and in a res its 6 out 10 for being clean.

House and gardens is the cleanest but not the push in yield the bc line has.

Never tryed canna or dyna yet.
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I was looking at the Titan. Seems really clean and sturdy. I definitely like the bigger lines also. My buddies have used the BC and I know it has done well for them in the past. I just also know that the have dealt with the root rot in the past also. They definitely don't have issues with yield and quality is decent. I personally like my Organic runs better. Overall the resin production and smell are better in soil, but I also know a lot more about the why's and how's of whats going on so I definitely think I could do better than they do.

cerberus said:
i have run canna and house and garden in the titan.

house and garden is cleaner, no salt build up whatsever. good feed, clean smoke (w/ flushing) and half the price of canna :/ (canna boost is 500 for 5 ltrs)

Canna is super PH stable, throw in the right mix and BAMN ph is 5.9-6.1 everyday, top off with straight water ph doesn't change. it does have salt in it. the boost is killer, drives resin production through the roof.. oh and canna is makes a much cleaner rez too

pick your poison and learn it, thats my best suggestion.
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I definitely am thinking about doing a Canna run. I have used it in the past. I used it in soil, but had some issues with it. some of them could have been due to heat issues, but when I broke up the rootballs their was a lot of build up left behind. I ran it at a medium dosage with a watering in between. I guess I wouldn't have the same kind of issues as I did in soil. I am not too keen on the price though. I use BioCanna right now for my soil runs and that shit gets expensive by the gallon, lol.

I have a little time to make my decision. I'll probably start with BC and see how I do with it. I don't know if I feel like dropping $1k on a batch of nutes, lol.

Thanks for chiming in guys, much appreciated.
 
NightbirdX said:
I was looking at the Titan. Seems really clean and sturdy. I definitely like the bigger lines also. My buddies have used the BC and I know it has done well for them in the past. I just also know that the have dealt with the root rot in the past also. They definitely don't have issues with yield and quality is decent. I personally like my Organic runs better. Overall the resin production and smell are better in soil, but I also know a lot more about the why's and how's of whats going on so I definitely think I could do better than they do.



I definitely am thinking about doing a Canna run. I have used it in the past. I used it in soil, but had some issues with it. some of them could have been due to heat issues, but when I broke up the rootballs their was a lot of build up left behind. I ran it at a medium dosage with a watering in between. I guess I wouldn't have the same kind of issues as I did in soil. I am not too keen on the price though. I use BioCanna right now for my soil runs and that shit gets expensive by the gallon, lol.

I have a little time to make my decision. I'll probably start with BC and see how I do with it. I don't know if I feel like dropping $1k on a batch of nutes, lol.

Thanks for chiming in guys, much appreciated.
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I made a excel file comparing H&G and Canna prices. Granted I'm using boost at the lower dosage and cut to 4 weeks, but canna comes out a little cheaper then the full H&G line. Shooting powder and the roots excel make up the price for H&G... Here's my case, calculate your own schedule and then you'll really know what these guys are charging per run. Bottle sizes and such can be deceiving. Even with the canna line + silica blast + cal mag + sweet I'm still coming out at the same price as a H&G run w/ protekt.

For 65 gal of solution...
[TABLE="width: 759"]
[TR]
[TD]Product[/TD]
[TD]Cost[/TD]
[TD]Amount used per bloom (ml)[/TD]
[TD]amount per bottle (ml)[/TD]
[TD]Blooms[/TD]
[TD]Cost Per Bloom[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]H&G Aqua Flakes[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$88.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4157.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.20[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$73.17[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]H&G Roots Excel[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$136.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]280[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]500[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.79[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$76.16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]H&G Multi Zen[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$46.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]741[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.35[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$34.09[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]H&G Bud XL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$60.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1140[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.88[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$68.40[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]H&G Top Boost[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$22.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]370.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]500[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.35[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$16.30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]H&G Drip Clean[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$37.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]178[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]500[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.81[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$13.17[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]H&G Shooting Powder[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$14.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
[TD]n/a[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$112.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dyna-Gro Protekt[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$40.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2019.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3785[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.87[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$21.34[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Total[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$443.00[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$414.63[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Product[/TD]
[TD]Cost[/TD]
[TD]Amount used per bloom (ml)[/TD]
[TD]amount per bottle (ml)[/TD]
[TD]Blooms[/TD]
[TD]Cost Per Bloom[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Canna Aqua Flores[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$102.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3788[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.32[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$77.28[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Canna Rhizotonic[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$65.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]741[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.35[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$48.17[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Canna CannaZym[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$143.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3217[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$92.01[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Canna PK13/14[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$21.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]555.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.80[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$11.67[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Canna CANNABoost[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$112.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]980[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.02[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$109.76[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Botanicare Cal-Mag[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$45.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1137.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3750[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$13.65[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Botanicare Silica Blast[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$39.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1137.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3750[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$11.83[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Botanicare Sweet Raw[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$65.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2925[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3750[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.28[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$50.70[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Total[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$592.00[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$415.05[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
NightbirdX said:
I definitely am thinking about doing a Canna run. I have used it in the past. I used it in soil, but had some issues with it. some of them could have been due to heat issues, but when I broke up the rootballs their was a lot of build up left behind. I ran it at a medium dosage with a watering in between. I guess I wouldn't have the same kind of issues as I did in soil. I am not too keen on the price though. I use BioCanna right now for my soil runs and that shit gets expensive by the gallon, lol.

I have a little time to make my decision. I'll probably start with BC and see how I do with it. I don't know if I feel like dropping $1k on a batch of nutes, lol.

Thanks for chiming in guys, much appreciated.
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if its a tight call and money is tight i know H&G works great. and i use boost at the feed rate and canna is almost twice the pric of H&G.. the only thing i would say is 1) my roots are whiter in the canna 2) i seem to get more resin production when i use boost (but this comes from my soil rooms and i doon't have the hard data to say that for water at 100%, thats why i am runnng canna now).

i never tried BC, can't say anything. but h&G cost around 500$ for a full grow with veg in 55gal and canna is around 900$..
 
cerberus said:
if its a tight call and money is tight i know H&G works great. and i use boost at the feed rate and canna is almost twice the pric of H&G.. the only thing i would say is 1) my roots are whiter in the canna 2) i seem to get more resin production when i use boost (but this comes from my soil rooms and i doon't have the hard data to say that for water at 100%, thats why i am runnng canna now).

i never tried BC, can't say anything. but h&G cost around 500$ for a full grow with veg in 55gal and canna is around 900$..
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For 1 grow?!!?
 
canna boost -> http://www.amazon.com/Canna-CBST410-Boost-5-liter/dp/B003D24APS 500 dollars for 5 liters and i need a little over 6 for my system.. sooo 500+100 (1 liter price) = 600$!!

and then another 300 (about)
for
aqua vega A and B (2 liters) = 40$
aqua flora A and B (5 liters) = 50$
Rhizo (2 liters) = 120$
canazyhm (5 liters) = 100$
PK boost (1 liter) = 15$
&
100 lbs hydroton
seceret ingirdents = 45$

55 gallon rez.
feed rate at 1000 ppm max

yeah meng canna is super pricey.. i am doing this run as a comparison (I almost didn't do it).. the cost is ALL in the boost.. :/
 
I had a buddy use dynagro. he followed the instructions, but still had a lot of issues. we tried everything to make it go right, but the early fade was crazy. anyone got good baseline info to start at?
 
hornedfrog2000 said:
You're high man. Buy some Dynagro and be done with it. That is crazy high prices.
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I am always high.

and don't worry about my accounting meng, i get my ROI. I have tried dyna and GH and i do see differences and although they arent defficent they arent vigorous either.. on the other end of that really fucking sharp knife is.. That is a crazy high price..

More than likely i will go back to H&G at around 450-500 a grow, unless Canna is just mind blowing, but at double the cost it better be mind and dick blowing.. and i just don't see that erb jumping outta my bowl and blowing me, but hey i'm hopeful..
 
cerberus said:
I am always high.

and don't worry about my accounting meng, i get my ROI. I have tried dyna and GH and i do see differences and although they arent defficent they arent vigorous either.. on the other end of that really fucking sharp knife is.. That is a crazy high price..

More than likely i will go back to H&G at around 450-500 a grow, unless Canna is just mind blowing, but at double the cost it better be mind and dick blowing.. and i just don't see that erb jumping outta my bowl and blowing me, but hey i'm hopeful..
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Not hating that just seems really high in price to me.
 
NightbirdX said:
I had a buddy use dynagro. he followed the instructions, but still had a lot of issues. we tried everything to make it go right, but the early fade was crazy. anyone got good baseline info to start at?
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I usually start at around 2ml of grow per gallon, and I run 3ml of protekt. I'll usually go to as high as 5ml gallon of grow, but I just watch the plant and don't really use my ppm meter. Right now I'm running 5ml of bloom per gallon for my bigger flowering plants they're like 2ft right now, but bushy as hell. I might go as high as 7ml depening how they look. Right now though I'm running 5ml bloom, 1ml grow, 3ml protekt, 1ml magpro. I would find homebrewers thread on here where he tests them. I might use some other additives later on, but now this is good for me.

Oh, and their directions are way too high of ppm. I don't think I go much higher than 1200ish ppms total iirc. Like I said, I don't measure. During veg it's probably more like 7-800ppm
 
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