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desert dude said:
I am not a conservative, I am a libertarian. As far as I can tell, socons hate libertarians about as much as you progs. Just pointing that out so that you can be more accurate in your insults.
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libertarian is just what embarrassed republicans call themselves.
 
MixedMelodyMindBender said:
Anybody know the race of these two "witnesses" or perhaps any background info on them? Hope its not as ruff as zimmermans background. Personally what evidence that has been provided is very subjective and speculative.

The police gather evidence that the justice system uses to determine factual. There has been no facts determined at this point of the investigation. It's still just that, an investigation, and now there is enough evidence that warrants charges being lodged. Still no facts, just evidence.

I still can not believe that this one case gets so many people's attention. Honestly, if this case did not involve race it would have never made the media. This happens almost everyday in America. Around the world, a lot worse happens that never reaches the media.

Yes its a tragedy to some and not to others. But let's move on seriously. 416 pages serves to remind us that this is all really senseless bickering, and a shit ton of it. And for what???
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why is race important? this is about a kid being shot by a pyscho cop wannabe vigilante.

if that happens "almost every day", as you claim, i expect you to cite a similar incident almost every single day.

and as far as the length of the thread goes, congratulations on contributing to it further.
 
As I see it, Zimmer's defense will hinge on 776.041. If the prosecutor can prove that Zimmer was committing a "forcible felony" then he has no protection under SYG, but no forcible felony charge has been levied.

The prosecutor will probably try to prove that Zimmer falls under item 2, i.e. Zimmer initially provoked the use of force against himself. That seems possible to me, although not a slam-dunk. Then the prosecutor must prove that Zimmer exhausted every reasonable means of escape. Given the facts we know today, Trayvon on top beating Zimmer, that seems impossible to me. Failing that, the prosecutor must prove that Zimmer had no reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death. Again, that seems impossible to me.


"776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force. "
 
Why is everybody afraid of black people rioting? How often do black people riot? White people riot after every sporting championship.
 
desert dude said:
As I see it, Zimmer's defense will hinge on 776.041. If the prosecutor can prove that Zimmer was committing a "forcible felony" then he has no protection under SYG, but no forcible felony charge has been levied.

The prosecutor will probably try to prove that Zimmer falls under item 2, i.e. Zimmer initially provoked the use of force against himself. That seems possible to me, although not a slam-dunk. Then the prosecutor must prove that Zimmer exhausted every reasonable means of escape. Given the facts we know today, Trayvon on top beating Zimmer, that seems impossible to me. Failing that, the prosecutor must prove that Zimmer had no reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death. Again, that seems impossible to me.
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we have no idea who attacked who and zimmerman's story is so full of holes and outright lies it will hold up to zero scrutiny. given zimmerman's history of violence and "snapping", it's way more likely that zimmerman attacked martin.
 
desert dude said:
Calling a libertarian a republican would be hurtful if there were any truth to it.
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who did you say you were voting for again?

ron paul, was it? what party is he part of?

LOL!

no wonder you are voting for the racist old codger, you are dumb enough and arrogant enough to think that you know better than serino, who sniffs out bullshit tales like zimmerman's for a living.
 
UncleBuck said:
we have no idea who attacked who and zimmerman's story is so full of holes and outright lies it will hold up to zero scrutiny. given zimmerman's history of violence and "snapping", it's way more likely that zimmerman attacked martin.
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The embalmer you quoted many pages ago said that Trayvon had not a single mark on him except for the bullet hole in his chest. Doesn't seem to indicate that Trayvon was assaulted.
 
UncleBuck said:
who did you say you were voting for again?

ron paul, was it? what party is he part of?

LOL!

no wonder you are voting for the racist old codger, you are dumb enough and arrogant enough to think that you know better than serino, who sniffs out bullshit tales like zimmerman's for a living.
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If Paul were a Democrat I would still vote for him.
 
bundee1 said:
Why is everybody afraid of black people rioting? How often do black people riot? White people riot after every sporting championship.
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1.Who is afraid?

2.The whole Rodney King incident, so once?

3.Yes, some white people are crazy for sports!
 
desert dude said:
The embalmer you quoted many pages ago said that Trayvon had not a single mark on him except for the bullet hole in his chest. Doesn't seem to indicate that Trayvon was assaulted.
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the enbalmer said no marks on his hands that would indicate he would be doing any assaulting, actually.

lol @ your continuous fact failure.
 
UncleBuck said:
the enbalmer said no marks on his hands that would indicate he would be doing any assaulting, actually.

lol @ your continuous fact failure.
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No, I actually read the link you provided. The guy said Trayvon was unmarked except for the bullet hole. To be fair, the guy you quoted was an undertaker, not a medical examiner, so his statement holds little water.
 
MixedMelodyMindBender said:
Anybody know the race of these two "witnesses" or perhaps any background info on them? Hope its not as ruff as zimmermans background. Personally what evidence that has been provided is very subjective and speculative.

The police gather evidence that the justice system uses to determine factual. There has been no facts determined at this point of the investigation. It's still just that, an investigation, and now there is enough evidence that warrants charges being lodged. Still no facts, just evidence.

I still can not believe that this one case gets so many people's attention. Honestly, if this case did not involve race it would have never made the media. This happens almost everyday in America. Around the world, a lot worse happens that never reaches the media.

Yes its a tragedy to some and not to others. But let's move on seriously. 416 pages serves to remind us that this is all really senseless bickering, and a shit ton of it. And for what???
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One eye witness, thirteen year old Austin Brown, is african-american. Somebody posted a video of him many pages back. The other eye witness, "John", has remained anonymous.
 
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