Tincture Help

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oceanic6

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So I just tried to make my first tincture and think I might of messed up and need help.

So I took about a 9 grams of mid grade bud and ground it up in my grinder and then put it in the oven on a cookie sheet for 2 minutes at 275.

I then put it in a mason jar and filled it with grain alcohol, which was 95 proof; 195% alcohol.

I shook it pretty intensely for about 5 minutes then off and on for another 5.

The part I think I screwed up on was putting to much alcohol. I put about 3/4 a cup to 9 grams of finely ground bud. It was pretty green and murky looking but the top most part of it was still a bit see through and from seeing some videos it is supposed to be dark as night, correct?

I watched some videos where they reduced it by putting the mason jar in simmering water and let it evaporate...Do you think that will solve my problem? Should I reduce it now and store it or store it first and reduce it in a week or so?

Thanks a lot
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I think you can learn very much from out Concentrates & Extracts subforum.

As for reducing and storing, it should make no difference ... the extract is pretty stable. You can evaporate under gentle heat, but it's probably safer and wiser to leave it uncovered in a dry, dark place from which the fumes can escape without ending up in your house air. Just a thought. cn
 
skunkpunk13

skunkpunk13

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well to answer ur question have u tried it/ that will tell u if u fucked up or not it could just be the quality of the weed or how well it was cured.

edit. and can i ask why u cooked the weed ive never done that and my green dragon turns out grreat
 
Warlock1369

Warlock1369

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You need 151 proof. And can I ask why you baked it? I have my dry trim in a jar of 160. It's been in there for 40 days now. And I have found if you use trim or buds don't grind it just fill it and fill with alcohol about 1/2-1 inch above it. Shake and put in the closet. Shake daily. 30-45 days later most of the green is gone from the bud( just a light green tent do to the new color of the alcohol. Strain and filter. The longer you let it sit the stronger it will be. And I've seen the vids your talking about. And really 1 day isn't really enough time.
 
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oceanic6

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Because everywhere I read said you need to decarb your bud beforehand. I saw some scientific research reason as well to why it is necessary. Something about THCA to THC. I think drying and curing your weed helps do this as well, but you need to do a bit extra like light it or vape it to get more THC. So if you are doing Tincture where you will not be using any heat because you are using it in liquid form you need to have it converted all ready. So you heat it a bit before to convert the THCA into THC.
 
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oceanic6

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Everywhere I read, like literally everywhere, says you need to decarb the bud before soaking it... Here are a few sites I just saw while trying to search for info to show you guys....I hope I didnt mess it up by doing this..

Here is some of the stuff I read...

Process Summary:

1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)

2. Place in a shallow pan (pie pan with aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325°F for 4-5 minutes.

3. Remove from oven and place cannabis and place in 2 oz of rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)

4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintaintemperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 150°F – 165°F.

5. Strain the mixture and store.


Dosage:
One eyedropper is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you should self-titrate. Effects take about 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).


Process details—references and rationalizations:
1. Chop the cannabis—more surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.

2. Bake the cannabis.
In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Societyhttp://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)​
THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.

Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.

http://www.thevics.com/recipe_cannamist.html
 
Zeplike

Zeplike

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oceanic6 said:
Everywhere I read, like literally everywhere, says you need to decarb the bud before soaking it... Here are a few sites I just saw while trying to search for info to show you guys....I hope I didnt mess it up by doing this..

Here is some of the stuff I read...

Process Summary:

1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)

2. Place in a shallow pan (pie pan with aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325°F for 4-5 minutes.

3. Remove from oven and place cannabis and place in 2 oz of rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)

4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintaintemperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 150°F – 165°F.

5. Strain the mixture and store.


Dosage:
One eyedropper is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you should self-titrate. Effects take about 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).


Process details—references and rationalizations:
1. Chop the cannabis—more surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.

2. Bake the cannabis.
In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Societyhttp://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)​
THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.

Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.

http://www.thevics.com/recipe_cannamist.html
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Very good info thanks for the link. How much would one normally use? it says fill the jar which would be find with trim and stuff after harvest. but could I use say an 1/8th and some stems/shake if I just used a smaller jar?

Already have 2oz of orange extract that I was planning on using.
It's 89% alcohol so ill be careful not to overcook or evap. too much off & hopefully yeild about half or 1 oz?

also have some everclear left over if that works better
 
Warlock1369

Warlock1369

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Wish I could help. My method takes 30 days. But sure there is somebody that will help you. With a fast recipe. Fought your close to me or I'd just give ya some. Good luck.
 
suprablaski

suprablaski

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the above method is very effective, you can do it with any amount you feel like working with you just wanna have it barely covered in 151(what i use). if your just doing a small amount and have to add more then you would like to keep it covered its ok you can strain it when your done and pop it back in the water bath and slowly reduce it to a small and more potent amount of green dragon. made some tonight actually, 1ml in some v8 juice and it does take about an hour and a half.
 
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Kervork

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You MUST decarb, before or after. I've tried it without and the potency sucked. Do not listen to people who say they don't cook their material one way or another, or that they eat raw buds off the plant like a cow. I experimented and did it both ways with oil.

If you want a potent tincture make BHO or QWISO first and then dilute into alcohol.
 
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Kervork

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My Recipie... Extract 1 OZ with butane into glass tray. Let evaporate fully. Cook in oven at 235 for 45 minutes. Dissolve with small amount of everclear, use just enough to fill your tincture dropper bottle.

DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN 1/2 DROPPER YOUR FIRST TIME. Alcohol burns your mouth so first take a small small sip of some other liquid to dilute, then squirt in the dropper and keep in your mouth as long as possible.
 
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