abe supercro
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now that that's All Over... have a good evening, Everyone..
today was a bright sunshine filled day
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today was a bright sunshine filled day
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Care Giver..or Drug Dealer?
- Thread starter bob harris
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When I see someone hammered with vicious criticism for just trying to survive, I step in. It's what I'd like others to do for me, so I do it. If I can empathize directly I will share my own experiences, or those I have witnessed - I don't have to unveil my identity to anyone on here I don't want to. This is what Buddy Ganga calls whining.
Notice I will defend patients and caregivers alike when they come under heavy and what I believe to be unfounded criticism from each other.
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality." -- Desmond Tutu
Notice I will defend patients and caregivers alike when they come under heavy and what I believe to be unfounded criticism from each other.
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality." -- Desmond Tutu
You said you sell your overages to dispensaries for 250-300/oz, and that's how you bought a brand new Dodge Charger and a truck. You also admitted to growing well past your limits, which you insulted bowlfullofbliss for having trouble with. 19.5oz cured weight, you said you got from just six plants (out of the 72 you can grow). That's 4.5oz past your limit. And you cured it, so it must've sat there for months, the whole time during which you were illegal.
Instead of profiting off your patients, which would only provide you with FIVE customers, you bribe them with free meds to keep them loyal, and cash crop to sell to dispensaries, which allows you profit off of hundreds or thousands of other patients. You wouldn't be able to make the same profits with just five.
It was not a decision based on kindness but rather unambiguous greed.
RawBudzski
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That does not seem to bad if he's legit & could obviously afford the investment of a grow that could sustain that production. If he is giving all the free meds his 5x patients need & not skimping out on them & Still has leftover for the dispense that is cool.
It's the people who are first off CHEAP & have crap grow rooms & are strict w/ the meds they grow for patients, limiting the amount they give heavily, keeping heavy overages or even charging the patients.. Then use the leftover bud to sell on the streets, that is all bad imo.
But if giving the patients all the meds they want, & still able to find legit ways to make $. You can make all types of non-psychoactive mmj products that you can profit from. .. Two types of caregivers ^_^ those who can afford to, those who can't.
It's the people who are first off CHEAP & have crap grow rooms & are strict w/ the meds they grow for patients, limiting the amount they give heavily, keeping heavy overages or even charging the patients.. Then use the leftover bud to sell on the streets, that is all bad imo.
But if giving the patients all the meds they want, & still able to find legit ways to make $. You can make all types of non-psychoactive mmj products that you can profit from. .. Two types of caregivers ^_^ those who can afford to, those who can't.
abe supercro
Well-Known Member
who wants to get a tackle box n go fishin'?
not me 
not me 
Know why it's not cool? He tears others apart for charging their patients for meds, which is legal here in MI, while he makes fortunes charging different patients at dispensaries, which is not legal in MI. Total hypocrite.
Good call abe, let's all go deer hunting. Deep in the forest. I mean really out there.
Good call abe, let's all go deer hunting. Deep in the forest. I mean really out there.
RawBudzski
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ahh I see, that is between you michinigans ! 
My dream would to be able to afford*** the equip it takes to grow 24+ good sized plants w/ perfect conditions. Being able to supply all my patients w/ free meds.(several Oz per/mo.) && still have overages to supply a dispense. Because that means you are producing quality buds in most cases. From there you can make all types of products & enterprise on this Multi Billion Dollar/year business. Legally.
Yin/Yang. You give Free Meds to your patients. Get paid by the dispense for your overages & the Dispense is then TAXED by the state/gov for the Meds being sold locally/to the public. That is how it should be for now until p2p is legalized but then again I doubt that is soon, when there is a loss you make up for it on the other end.
My dream would to be able to afford*** the equip it takes to grow 24+ good sized plants w/ perfect conditions. Being able to supply all my patients w/ free meds.(several Oz per/mo.) && still have overages to supply a dispense. Because that means you are producing quality buds in most cases. From there you can make all types of products & enterprise on this Multi Billion Dollar/year business. Legally.Yin/Yang. You give Free Meds to your patients. Get paid by the dispense for your overages & the Dispense is then TAXED by the state/gov for the Meds being sold locally/to the public. That is how it should be for now until p2p is legalized but then again I doubt that is soon, when there is a loss you make up for it on the other end.
Buddy Ganga
Active Member
Your hate has you spinning way to much here.
But please keep going, I'm taking a liking to your story.
You're jealousy is so much more colorful then reality..
But please keep going, I'm taking a liking to your story.
You're jealousy is so much more colorful then reality..
RawBudzski
Well-Known Member
It's the half-ass CGs who think they should be Paid by the Patients, Dispensaries & their Neighborhood Friends for bud.. they are not a CG in my eyes.
SketchyGrower
Well-Known Member
Anyone want a hug... Free hugs 
RawBudzski
Well-Known Member
Huh? No.. Look above, I stated how it is & should be. Can not have your CAKE AND EAT IT BUDDY. If you are a CG, you should give As MUCH FREE MEDS TO THE PATIENTS as needed, if you have overages you should take them to the dispense. It's a win/lose. & some cheap half ass garden cannot pull that much production to make that profitable. So someone who is a CG and tried to MILK every gram of the bud they grew is not a CG.
If you have the ability to have an elaborate garden that can supply FREE MEDs to the patients year rounds & STILL have overages to pay the bills. That is different than someone who get's shit harvest weights & are trying to pay the bills by charging patients, and selling to any/everyone else.
RawBudzski
Well-Known Member
not all gardens are equal, there is a thick line between a Nice warehouse garden that can supply a steady production of free meds to it's patients w/ overages to pay the bills, & a spare room garden that can hardly supply free meds if any (so they try to nickle & dime everything). That is just it, many CGs who grow @ home are not in the same league as those who have big ops. Yet they try to be..
I like CGs, I dislike people who sell bud illegally for as much profit & use the CG as an excuse. <-
I like CGs, I dislike people who sell bud illegally for as much profit & use the CG as an excuse. <-
In your other post you said it was wrong for someone to be paid for their buds by a dispensary, now you're saying that's the only place should make money. 
Anyway, here's the contradiction in your reasoning...
You believe is wrong for a patient to be charged for meds. Fine.
But you also believe it is okay for patients to be charged for meds. Huh?
The difference is in one situation the transfer is from an individual, in the other the transfer is from an organization. The result is the samey: a grower makes money and a patient has to fork out the cash.
I strongly disagree that big grows are somehow producing better bud than small ones. The best I've smoked has 100% of the time been from a small bedroom/basement garden. You can produce 3-4oz/week consistently (perpetual harvest) in a bedroom/basement with two 600w HPS lights, so supply really isn't an issue. Big gardens tend to be run by cash croppers who are going to give each plant less attention and just aim for yield, and not choose higher quality lower yielding strains like DJ Short's Blueberry or Pre-98 Bubba Kush. They're more likely to hose everything down with toxic chemical pesticides shortly before harvest and problems like powdery mildew tend to multiply as dealing with heat and humidity becomes a real challenge.
Anyway, here's the contradiction in your reasoning...
You believe is wrong for a patient to be charged for meds. Fine.
But you also believe it is okay for patients to be charged for meds. Huh?
The difference is in one situation the transfer is from an individual, in the other the transfer is from an organization. The result is the samey: a grower makes money and a patient has to fork out the cash.
I strongly disagree that big grows are somehow producing better bud than small ones. The best I've smoked has 100% of the time been from a small bedroom/basement garden. You can produce 3-4oz/week consistently (perpetual harvest) in a bedroom/basement with two 600w HPS lights, so supply really isn't an issue. Big gardens tend to be run by cash croppers who are going to give each plant less attention and just aim for yield, and not choose higher quality lower yielding strains like DJ Short's Blueberry or Pre-98 Bubba Kush. They're more likely to hose everything down with toxic chemical pesticides shortly before harvest and problems like powdery mildew tend to multiply as dealing with heat and humidity becomes a real challenge.
panhead
Well-Known Member
Wow did this thread go rancid real fast,heres what i dont understand,why so much anger & outrage between fellow growers ?
All this fighting makes no sense,instead of being angry because somebody makes money off mj why not be happy that the person is bringing product to the masses.
Im not trying to insult the younger folk here but i gotta say god damm have you guys lost your way with mj,in my time everybody stood up for each others right to do whatever the hell they wanted to with pot,everybody demonstrated in person,everybody chipped in finincaly to help out others,most importantly everybody respected others values & ideals about mj.
Wtf is up with all this hatred projected at dealers anyways,just a few short years ago they were the ones with big enough balls to risk personal freedom to bring mj to the public,now that anybody who can fake a back ache or who has ADHD & can come up with $200 to get a liscense grows dealers have become dispised & hated,even looked down on.
Im begining to believe that the quotes people put in their signatures are pure bullshit,you know the ones of which i speak,where guys post how mj is gods gift to all of us,or how people shouldnt be persecuted or prosecuted for growing such a harmless & helpfull plant.
Fuk guys people face more persecution from members here than anywhere else, aside from police,and whats changed in the few short years since legal med mj,one thing & thats money,now that any ole budy can grow his/her own without a truthfuly valid medical reason suddenly anybody who profits from mj is a scumbag peice of shit.
Wtf has happened to you guys to make your hearts so full of hatred,admit it or not before recent changes in med mj laws most in the forums bought their pot from dealers & were happy to do so.
Im out of the michigan forums for good,there is too much bad blood,negativity & arguing over supposed ideals when its really about money.
What a buzz kill,shit sure has changed since the 60's & 70's when it comes to mj,it used to be about freedom to chose/use, now its all about money,who should have it & who shouldnt,not a shadow of brotherhood left amongst mj users.
Sad.
All this fighting makes no sense,instead of being angry because somebody makes money off mj why not be happy that the person is bringing product to the masses.
Im not trying to insult the younger folk here but i gotta say god damm have you guys lost your way with mj,in my time everybody stood up for each others right to do whatever the hell they wanted to with pot,everybody demonstrated in person,everybody chipped in finincaly to help out others,most importantly everybody respected others values & ideals about mj.
Wtf is up with all this hatred projected at dealers anyways,just a few short years ago they were the ones with big enough balls to risk personal freedom to bring mj to the public,now that anybody who can fake a back ache or who has ADHD & can come up with $200 to get a liscense grows dealers have become dispised & hated,even looked down on.
Im begining to believe that the quotes people put in their signatures are pure bullshit,you know the ones of which i speak,where guys post how mj is gods gift to all of us,or how people shouldnt be persecuted or prosecuted for growing such a harmless & helpfull plant.
Fuk guys people face more persecution from members here than anywhere else, aside from police,and whats changed in the few short years since legal med mj,one thing & thats money,now that any ole budy can grow his/her own without a truthfuly valid medical reason suddenly anybody who profits from mj is a scumbag peice of shit.
Wtf has happened to you guys to make your hearts so full of hatred,admit it or not before recent changes in med mj laws most in the forums bought their pot from dealers & were happy to do so.
Im out of the michigan forums for good,there is too much bad blood,negativity & arguing over supposed ideals when its really about money.
What a buzz kill,shit sure has changed since the 60's & 70's when it comes to mj,it used to be about freedom to chose/use, now its all about money,who should have it & who shouldnt,not a shadow of brotherhood left amongst mj users.
Sad.
RawBudzski
Well-Known Member
Dispensaries are a business & taxed for selling meds. When a dispense gets meds from a grower it's a donation & they pay wholesale prices usually for the time/effort put in, CGs Give free meds to the patients. You don't seem to realize it's all about money, & you have to compromise somewhere. So yeah, the government does not want a Gardener to be able to Sell bud to whoever, GUESS WHY. Every grower would be EVADING TAXES on Bud Sales.In your other post you said it was wrong for someone to be paid for their buds by a dispensary, now you're saying that's the only place should make money.
Anyway, here's the contradiction in your reasoning...
You believe is wrong for a patient to be charged for meds. Fine.
But you also believe it is okay for patients to be charged for meds. Huh?
The difference is in one situation the transfer is from an individual, in the other the transfer is from an organization. The result is the same either way: a grower made money and a patient had to fork out cash.
I really don't understand why you think big growers are somehow better than small ones. The best I've smoked has 100% of the time been from a small bedroom/basement garden.
FatMarty
Well-Known Member
Yeah I walked over to the grow shop and bought a couple goodies for the garden today.
Very nice day for a 1/2 mile round trip walk.
I wore a hoodie and actually got a little warm coming home.
RawBudzski
Well-Known Member
you don't realize 100% legalization is Impossible in america. Unless government was to close shop, it wont ever happen.
So instead of what we Feel is right or how we think it should be.. let's just look @ what is allowed.
It's much harder to make a living off a home grow legally, than it is to make a living off a warehouse grow legally. All about size & production. That is how it is, don't tell me this is Rich against Poor, because that is how life is.. When you have more available to you, you are able to accomplish bigger things, faster.
So instead of what we Feel is right or how we think it should be.. let's just look @ what is allowed.
It's much harder to make a living off a home grow legally, than it is to make a living off a warehouse grow legally. All about size & production. That is how it is, don't tell me this is Rich against Poor, because that is how life is.. When you have more available to you, you are able to accomplish bigger things, faster.