Christianity just a cock-n-bull story

eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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jumpin' buffalo said:
Fear has been the main method Christians have used to propagate their religion since its inception. They try to get people to believe that their god is going to unload on them unless they suck up to him. Unfortunately a lot of people fell for it.
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...yes, fear what 'your' God can do. If you insist on 'driving', fear the outcome. Hmm, evidence of this is plastered on every disastrous news article a person can read. But, still no evidence.

...a sheep is not a drone, it's that simple. The term sure is scary though, hey? :)
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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eye exaggerate said:
...so, religions say that you need to look inside to find truth. You look on the outside and say there is no proof. I think you might be missing a step? :)

...many non-religious people here (vehemently opposed, even) say that believers stop at certain points in scientific development and say "that's it, we can't find an answer so it must be God". Saying there is no credibility in the book is akin to this "must be God" idea. You haven't found truth in it, so it 'mustn't be God'.

Sing it with me: Round Round We Gooooooooo
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You misunderstand the concept involved. When we say that, it is because a believer is invoking god AS AN ANSWER, to a question where often the answer is-- we don't know. You are inverting the premise and conclusion and expecting the truth value to be the same. Not only that, no one is claiming it can't be god but arriving at the conclusion through induction, which is different then the deductive attempt the fallacious reasoning of the believer makes. Not finding truth in a book that is supposedly written by the all-powerful creator of the universe and finding contradictions, incredibly bad behavior by the protagonist deity and outright falsehoods and questionable historicity, the likelihood of being actually written by such a being diminishes with each piece of negative evidence. The most important thing is that no one is deducing an answer when the evidence is lacking as in the case of the believer inserting god in place of the unknown but just the opposite.
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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mindphuk said:
You misunderstand the concept involved. When we say that, it is because a believer is invoking god AS AN ANSWER, to a question where often the answer is-- we don't know. You are inverting the premise and conclusion and expecting the truth value to be the same. Not only that, no one is claiming it can't be god but arriving at the conclusion through induction, which is different then the deductive attempt the fallacious reasoning of the believer makes. Not finding truth in a book that is supposedly written by the all-powerful creator of the universe and finding contradictions, incredibly bad behavior by the protagonist deity and outright falsehoods and questionable historicity, the likelihood of being actually written by such a being diminishes with each piece of negative evidence. The most important thing is that no one is deducing an answer when the evidence is lacking as in the case of the believer inserting god in place of the unknown but just the opposite.
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...thanks, I understand what you're saying. It still kinda moves around the point I'm making about true religion being on the inside. If a person reads the book on a face-value basis, it is obvious they would be doomed...so-to-speak. Hence the fundamentalists.

If the book was written by an all-powerful creator it would contain all things, no? I'd say it could include some things illogical, etc. It is true, in turn, that it has been messed with. Perhaps making the point for its necessity?

"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes." -Walt Whitman

You bring up a very interesting point for sure in saying 'negative evidence'. It's exactly what I am pointing at (metaphorically).
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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eye, I would have to say that religion is by definition an external thing - cultural, behavioral, social. It's about the forms. The search within I would classify as other than at the core of religion. Perhaps "belief" would be a better descriptor.
But to say that true religion is on the inside strikes me as like saying the true tree is the underground portion. At best, it moves a boundary needed for mutually fruitful discussion. Just my 2¢ ... cn
 
ChronicObsession

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Meanwhile amongst the laughter of atheists, I come along to show you that your master loves you and wants you to keep doling out more anti-god speech. Rollitup told me that religion heads are delusional. Hope you guys are happy. What's next, racist jokes? I think gays are delusional when they believe a hairy gritty anus is a vagina. But I digress, go punch your Jesus puppets
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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ChronicObsession said:
Meanwhile amongst the laughter of atheists, I come along to show you that your master loves you and wants you to keep doling out more anti-god speech. Rollitup told me that religion heads are delusional. Hope you guys are happy. What's next, racist jokes? I think gays are delusional when they believe a hairy gritty anus is a vagina. But I digress, go punch your Jesus puppets
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Well, I am constantly being told by religious people that it is morally okay to discriminate against gay people because it is a matter of choice and they aren't innately homosexual but merely choosing to sin. In spite of their inability to prove this claim, they continue to fight against gay rights.

Extending their logic, being religious is obviously a choice as we are not born believing in a god but are taught to at a young age. Therefore when we see people acting badly or stupid because of what they believe, it is entirely appropriate to discriminate and even make fun of them. If you don't like it you always have the CHOICE to abandon your silly beliefs about how everything was created by magic rather than natural processes and come join the ranks of the rational thinking people all over the world.
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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cannabineer said:
eye, I would have to say that religion is by definition an external thing - cultural, behavioral, social. It's about the forms. The search within I would classify as other than at the core of religion. Perhaps "belief" would be a better descriptor.
But to say that true religion is on the inside strikes me as like saying the true tree is the underground portion. At best, it moves a boundary needed for mutually fruitful discussion. Just my 2¢ ... cn
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...I guess I don't have to point out the irony in the tree analogy? :razz:
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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cannabineer said:
I must have missed that ... if you "wood" tell me? cn
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...here's a second answer, in case you were not being playful :)

...what I was wanting to hint at was the idea of religion as a bind (duty to serve - which to me means to be responsible with my creative force.)

Back to the tree :)

"trees represent nerves, and nerves are expressions of thoughts of unity - they connect thought centers. ex: Ezekiel 47:7 the trees growing on both sides of the river represent the nerves radiating from the spinal column, and connecting and unifying the whole organism through the nerve fluid. The tree of Gen. 2:9 signifies the connecting link between earth and heaven - body and mind, the formless and the formed." <--

...I know that this is a 'take' on the whole deal, but this is one that I really like. I am far more visual than, say, computational in my learning.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Oh OK. The tree you depict puts me in mind of Yggdrasil, or of the tree-deity some Indonesian natives worship, a sort of All-tree.
From the Abrahamic tradition I know a teensy bit about the "tree of knowledge of good and evil", and was having a hard time matching metaphors. So thanks for the explanation; yes indeed, that was what I was seeking. cn
 
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eye exaggerate said:
...so, religions say that you need to look inside to find truth. You look on the outside and say there is no proof. I think you might be missing a step? :)

...many non-religious people here (vehemently opposed, even) say that believers stop at certain points in scientific development and say "that's it, we can't find an answer so it must be God". Saying there is no credibility in the book is akin to this "must be God" idea. You haven't found truth in it, so it 'mustn't be God'.

Sing it with me: Round Round We Gooooooooo
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if there isn't any evidence to back up Christianity's grandiose claims why should anyone take them seriously?
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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Ive finally figured out why religion and spirituality exist, it is because of the fear of individual existence ending.
 
GanjaGod420000

GanjaGod420000

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Please... We Christians take more flack than anyone else... Mabye itz people's own insecurities that force them to single out individual believers of Christ, to condemn and persecute, and even denounce Christ alltogether...Where is the evidence that there is wind? We can feel it and see it do things, but we do not see it... Christianity is about faith, in believing in the things we cannot see or hear, and more and more, even science backs up what is written in The Bible... I think Christianity is way more persecuted than anyone else's beliefs are... Where do u see anyone getting bashed on here for being an athiest, or for believing in aliens being supreme beings, even gods? We shouldn't be "lashing out" at anyone, but we should be given the respect and room to be here along with everyone else... "Religion" has many flaws, because "religion" is a man-led thing... I cant stand organized religion as a Christian, as it is about an individual's personal relationshio with Christ, not what church u go to, or don't go to, or what denomination u r, or aren't...
jumpin' buffalo said:
Wrong about there not being any known evidence to support Christianity's most grandiose claims? I'm afraid that's fact.

There's nothing wrong with faith as long as it's not used as a means to lash out at others - you know, like the Christians are always doing.
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cannabineer

cannabineer

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GanjaGod420000 said:
Please... We Christians take more flack than anyone else... Mabye itz people's own insecurities that force them to single out individual believers of Christ, to condemn and persecute, and even denounce Christ alltogether...Where is the evidence that there is wind? We can feel it and see it do things, but we do not see it... Christianity is about faith, in believing in the things we cannot see or hear, and more and more, even science backs up what is written in The Bible... I think Christianity is way more persecuted than anyone else's beliefs are... Where do u see anyone getting bashed on here for being an athiest, or for believing in aliens being supreme beings, even gods? We shouldn't be "lashing out" at anyone, but we should be given the respect and room to be here along with everyone else... "Religion" has many flaws, because "religion" is a man-led thing... I cant stand organized religion as a Christian, as it is about an individual's personal relationshio with Christ, not what church u go to, or don't go to, or what denomination u r, or aren't...
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Please don't mistake this for a swipe, GG ... but I have not found the bolded to be correct. Do you have a link to what I'm missing? cn
 
Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Zaehet Strife said:
Ive finally figured out why religion and spirituality exist, it is because of the fear of individual existence ending.
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You never finally figured that out, you just want to opportunity to say it again... You say those who believe in spirit are scared of death, I say those who believe in atheism are simple minded because they only accept what they see, a rotting corpse... Thats what I see a rotting corpse when looking at atheists too, because its not like you can snap them out of it.
 
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