VV is singing the blues. From seed to Perpetual Weed.
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B. THC R+D
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SOME EXTRA CREDIT REPS FOR THIS ONE VV
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CLASS IS GETTING BIGGER AND PLANTS ARE GETTING TALLER.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON TOP WATER, TO DRAINAGE -V-
WHAT IM SEEING WITH THE 'HW'? JUST A METHOD OR DO YOU FEEL SOME
ADVANTAGES ARE THERE....?
DIRTBAG IS NOW SHOWING YOUR PIC'S TO HIS PLANTS, ALONG WITH
THE READING OF THE DAYS ENTRES. I THINK THERE LISTENING....
THEY BETTER OR ITS OFF TO BORDING SCH. I DID GIVE THEM THE "TALK"!
TO GETTING IT DONE....DAMM
2VV. DBB.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CLASS IS GETTING BIGGER AND PLANTS ARE GETTING TALLER.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON TOP WATER, TO DRAINAGE -V-
WHAT IM SEEING WITH THE 'HW'? JUST A METHOD OR DO YOU FEEL SOME
ADVANTAGES ARE THERE....?
DIRTBAG IS NOW SHOWING YOUR PIC'S TO HIS PLANTS, ALONG WITH
THE READING OF THE DAYS ENTRES. I THINK THERE LISTENING....
THEY BETTER OR ITS OFF TO BORDING SCH. I DID GIVE THEM THE "TALK"!
TO GETTING IT DONE....DAMM
2VV. DBB.
VictorVIcious
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Soo... the old man has a few trick for his 'J's. Take a few buds and put them in the hopper, throw out those big stems or don't. Put the top on, and hit the button, and...get out 'your tray', you do have one right? Remember I am old, some may think it's cheating, its not, your allowed this anytime after 18. Pack it full, close it, turn it around a few times, insert you favorite 1 1/4, I like the Elements, Lick it before its all the way turned, you can see the shape on the end too, and... a 'J' the old mans way. NOW LIGHT THAT PUPPY AND GO POST SOME PICTURES. vvSOME EXTRA CREDIT REPS FOR THIS ONE VV
CLASS IS GETTING BIGGER AND PLANTS ARE GETTING TALLER.
Sorry, just had to roll one, "takin' pitchures" is hard work.
I think top watering is Natural, avoid watering around the stem. In nature the leaves keep the rain from getting to close to the stem which can cause stem rot. Once it stops 'raining' the 'water table' determines how big the root system has to get to sustain and grow. When I added the sand to the top of my pots Flood and Drain is the right way to go, don't want to ' washout' the sand. I had a system for the top watering too, just took it apart yesterday. It was slick, some ideas borrowed from Mogie's information along with a video I had watched very early in my research. I have all the parts to make a system that would cover 50'.
DIRTBAG IS NOW SHOWING YOUR PIC'S TO HIS PLANTS, ALONG WITH
THE READING OF THE DAYS ENTRES. I THINK THERE LISTENING....
THEY BETTER OR ITS OFF TO BORDING SCH. I DID GIVE THEM THE "TALK"!
TO GETTING IT DONE....DAMM
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B. THC R+D
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Lmao Perma Grin Ear To Ear....my Joint In The Shop.db.I Love This Class, Will We Be Graded On This ???
Dirtbag Says Shame
Vv. For Flaunting The Thumb Pic's) Nice Guns....The Arms Arn't Bad Ethier. Workit Slut Workit.....always Dbb.
HazyEyes
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O man i love my t5 i would not do it anyother way low wattz so easy on my bill, heat is never a problem in fact it keeps my temp right at 80 at all times and damn is it bright i just bought my red spectrum bulb so am half and half now to VV 
puts out all the lumens you need ...what else do u need? i can use my t5 for veg and flowering and still have great results. cant wait till i upgrade to the 8 bulb tho.
puts out all the lumens you need ...what else do u need? i can use my t5 for veg and flowering and still have great results. cant wait till i upgrade to the 8 bulb tho.
VictorVIcious
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I got the fan leaves that way by all of the things I did in this thread. None of these are clones, they are all from seeds. And this time I had the lights on 24/7 for the vegging stage. Goal was 1' tall or a little taller, these were moved to flowering at just about 6 weeks. I will be taking clones from them, by Monday at the latest and of course I will post that process. I am going to use the Rapid Rooters for them. My grow shop doesn't have an acceptable powder for cloning so I will be using the Clonex, with a little Dark Energy and Super Thrive. I expect it will not be longer than four weeks probaly less, I do hope to be able to move them under the t-5's after the first week so we will see. VV
HazyEyes
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Sorry am late for class, can i still take notesI got the fan leaves that way by all of the things I did in this thread. None of these are clones, they are all from seeds. And this time I had the lights on 24/7 for the vegging stage. Goal was 1' tall or a little taller, these were moved to flowering at just about 6 weeks. I will be taking clones from them, by Monday at the latest and of course I will post that process. I am going to use the Rapid Rooters for them. My grow shop doesn't have an acceptable powder for cloning so I will be using the Clonex, with a little Dark Energy and Super Thrive. I expect it will not be longer than four weeks probaly less, I do hope to be able to move them under the t-5's after the first week so we will see. VV
is it possible i cane be taken under your wing and have tutoring classes
VictorVIcious
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68 and 77, I yield for those numbers. These plants are just six weeks old and haven't yielded anything yet. The room is capable of producing about a pound per table, done so with 20 plants, 15 plants and 12 plants. We are hoping to improve on those numbers. Because of the transition from one set of strains to another, it will be a while before we get there, these are all from seed, so the (23) is really maybe 11 or 12 if we meet the law of averages. And we are going to be finding that out very quickly. At least four of the plants I viewed yesterday are showing as males. These are just a week into flowering light schedule and 6 weeks old. This is the first time I have grown the Blue varieties so I am not sure if showing sex this quickly is normal. It would indicate they were mature enough to be switched from vegging light cycle to flowering light cycle, maybe even should have done it sooner. I was planning on waiting a little before cloning them, now I don't think I had better wait. If the males are showing now the ladies can't be far behind. Ideally, you would get clones just before the pistils are out. This would still be vegging, but mature enough to flower as soon as they take root, kinda like Al B Fuct laid out in my original learning manual, Get A Harvest Every Two Weeks. Now I need to go read his Cloning thread again to try and make sure I do that as right as in can be done. All of the improvements Al has made in his op in the last year were dependant on having the basics right first, keeping the 7 basics in balance. He was harvesting 2# a month now its three. And we are still trying to get to the 2 number. If we can continue to improve, the 8 week flowering time for the blue may let us get there in a couple more months, Perpetual Harvest is the goal.
This is how we have that laid out. We are going to take at least three clones from every plant we don't know is male. If we get 1/2 females out of all of the plants this will give us around 33-36 known female plants, they will be vegged until we think they are ready to go into flowering, right now we are thinking 4 weeks at the longest. At that point we will have enough to keep some as mothers and slide the rest into flowering. All of the widows will be gone by then and the originals should be within two weeks of harvest. The Hemp warp will be used to fill in the gap. They are four weeks old now and showing good potential.
We will decide at that point if we need to clone the clones as they go into flowering or if our mothers are going to be ready for us to start taking cutting from them and by then we will know how many of the blue varieties we want per table. The rotation we want to set up is rocket science, two weeks for clones under 24/7 floros, table one two weeks, table two two weeks, table 3 two weeks and table 4 two weeks, then work you ass off for a few days. Repeat as necessary, in this case every two weeks. Its simple, it ain't easy, it is simple. And if I were to do it again I would get two sets of seeds and plant them two weeks apart, wish I'd a thunk that one sooner.
I have a few things I am working on and I want to post them all here. I will try to make sense out of it for you, don't know how clear I will be able to make it, here goes any way. We have had some folks join and a few questions have come up about electrical issue's. I am going to make a thread about what I did and why, I did take a picture of 'My Control Panel' and my control switches. Here the are so you get an idea of what will be in that thread. Emphasis will be on safety, then convenience. You will see that even though I have made several changes in were equipment is placed, my early over plannning and over installing has made these changes safe and still convenient.
I have done a little work on the new Bud Dryer and will be posting that, here is the temp and humidity with the fans off in the grow area right next to the flowering plants. And a couple of plants hanging to dry. I bought these coco pots at Menards. I don't think they would have the mold problem you can have with the Jiffy Pots. More examples of what they have will show up here soon.Turn the page...VV
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VictorVIcious
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Here is what the blues looked like yesterday. I put a ruler on the wall, just marked 2' and 3'. Here is the worst plant, its greener than it was, and the top of it. And the plant we have been tracking on 4/10, 4/11 front and top and 4/12. It is of course one of the ones we think is male, still a nice looking plant, showing decent growth. Here we go, on the road again... turn the page. VV
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VictorVIcious
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Lets not forget the HempWarp. I have been using the 'Soil Method' of watering to this point, letting the plants go almost completely 'dry' before watering again. and I am hoping you will be able to tell the difference from before watering to watered to the next day, I know I can see the difference, just not sure if the pictures will show it.
And just to keep things interesting I picked this little planter up at Wally World for less than $4.00. Its their salsa mix, Parsley, cilantro. tomatos, onion and cayenne and Jalepno peppers. The tomatoes came up in like three days so I put them in these little coco-coir planters from Menard's, $1.99 for 32 of them, fits one nursery tray just like the Jiffy Pots, shouldn't have the mold problem you can have with the JiffyPots. I just put a little coc-coir in the bottom and then the RapidRooter, filled it and watered them. They are designed for the roots to grow through and should make transplanting easier. And the tray does come with a humidity dome. Stick a fork in it, I'm done. VV
And just to keep things interesting I picked this little planter up at Wally World for less than $4.00. Its their salsa mix, Parsley, cilantro. tomatos, onion and cayenne and Jalepno peppers. The tomatoes came up in like three days so I put them in these little coco-coir planters from Menard's, $1.99 for 32 of them, fits one nursery tray just like the Jiffy Pots, shouldn't have the mold problem you can have with the JiffyPots. I just put a little coc-coir in the bottom and then the RapidRooter, filled it and watered them. They are designed for the roots to grow through and should make transplanting easier. And the tray does come with a humidity dome. Stick a fork in it, I'm done. VV
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VictorVIcious
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Just had a thought as I was harvesting a couple of plants. I have used a couple of different mediums, three if you count my first grow of 5 plants in soil. I have used three different material, peet pellets, Rapid Rooters and Rock wool for planting seeds and clones. Sharing the information the way I have looked at it requires pictures, so here we go. The pot on the left is coco coir, with an inch of flock roockwool on top, an experiment to see if it would control fungus gnats. The one on the right is all rockwool, sorry I had it out of the pot already, before I decided it could be useful. The flock rock wool the was around the cube had few if any roots in it and feel off easily. This pot has not been watered for two days, you can see it is still wet, clear to the top and had a little surface mold at one time. When we pull the coco out you can see its not wet all the way to the top, it doesn't draw as much water to the top of the pot as the rockwool, and this is the reason I decided to go to twice a day for flooding the coco-coir which the Blues are in. I pulled the main roots out of three pots, as far as I am concerned they are not any different, two of them are Rapid Rooters and the one I crushed pulling it out is rockwool. Here is the amount of waste from the coco-coir pot, all of it could be composted, I choose to throw that evidence away, it won't hurt the landfill, and this is the amount of waste material from the plant with the rockwool. It would be good for insultaion is your walls in you dried it out, it will biodegrade in about 7 years. This is the reason I have chosen the coco over the rockwool. All of the mediums will give you good results if you keep your 7 basics in balance.
I mentioned the Blue were starting to show sex already, they went into 12/12 light last Monday morning. I believe these first two are males and the last one is a female. So far I think I have identified 3 males and at least a dozen females. That would be super. And it would mean I can clone my ass off. Right after I do my income taxes. lol VV
I mentioned the Blue were starting to show sex already, they went into 12/12 light last Monday morning. I believe these first two are males and the last one is a female. So far I think I have identified 3 males and at least a dozen females. That would be super. And it would mean I can clone my ass off. Right after I do my income taxes. lol VV
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MstrWilliam
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Just stopping by to admire your work...And to thank you for being well spoken and informed. Reps to you my new friend.
VictorVIcious
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Welcome William, and props for your calm respones, we know it is an education process. I really like that 'harshing my mellow', I may have to use that one.
Some one asked what males are good for. They are good for practice and demo's. Since we don't care about the results we can get comfortable with the cloning process and increase our chances of success when it counts, kinda like batting practice, I understand the pro's still do that, work on keeping the basics sharp. So here goes, pruning and cloning practice, get it right in practice and you will get it right in life.
Here are the details of this plant, its 18" tall. The pencil is 6" to the eraser, I love it when a plan comes together. 1/3 of 18...uhh ok. We remove the fan leaves from the bottom 1/3 and then the branches. I place them in water with a small amount of Dark Energy, mostly humic acids and a little Super Thrive. We removed 10 viable branches from this plant. Here are the supplies I use for clones, this time around. The bottle on the right with the funny shape is a gel I use, may not be necessary. The Rapid Rooters are my preferred medium for this step, they are an all natural product, and a packet of Clonex, enough to do the 50 plugs come in this particular package. Costs a little more to purchase this way, and I don't like have a new tray every time, not very enviromentally friendly, especially from some one selling Natural Products, its $22.95 or a little less than $.50/ plant. I will split the tray of fifty, I don't feel comfortable working with them that close together. And I havent decided about the propagation dome yet, Al says they are not necessary.
The alcohol goes on these four things, your one edge razor blade, your wooden or plastic cutting block, your cloning gel container and your hands. This is why you want to be 'ready to clone, everything in place and remove it from the area when its no longer necessary. If you sanitize your hands and handle a buch of stuff... Let these items air dry. For practice I will use these Rockwool cubes. I did not overwater them. For instruction on cloning using rockwool check Al B Fuct's cloning tutorial. Here its just practice.
Ok batter up, here is a branch, and we cut the leaves off flush with the stem, make our angle cut below that and place it in our cloning gel, at least an inch deep. Put it in our plug, don't jam it to the bottom. We want to make sure our cubes are making contact with the stem. Mist them and place them in your clone..whatever.
Please any of the experienced growers that se anything I should do different. let me know I still have at least three plants to practice with. VV
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HazyEyes
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this is the one to be at man ..welcome to the class room i just got done reading the whole threadwkd mate...only just stumbled across this one. Gonna go make myself a fresh coffee, roll a big spliff and start from page 1.
SnowWhite
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yep, great stuff VV....I'll enjoy following along.
I'm v jealous of your tri-meter btw. Bluelab stuff is the shit! Money well spent dude. I purchased a cheap tri-meter from china off eBay. Shouldn't of bothered. It's total shite man! Never seen such wackey readings. I will invest in some blue lab meters when/if I ever go hydro. I'll probably go for the Bluelab EC and PH truncheons though instead of the tri meter.
Did I mention.....excellent grow!!!
I'm v jealous of your tri-meter btw. Bluelab stuff is the shit! Money well spent dude. I purchased a cheap tri-meter from china off eBay. Shouldn't of bothered. It's total shite man! Never seen such wackey readings. I will invest in some blue lab meters when/if I ever go hydro. I'll probably go for the Bluelab EC and PH truncheons though instead of the tri meter.
Did I mention.....excellent grow!!!