richinweed
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points been lost....i drop it as idgaf,about personal agendas.
Bill-c10........canadians suk!
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rebelgrower68
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I agree with corbat, In the end if you want to smoke for free then grow a couple plants and keep your mouth shut and you will be safe. Now this is a business and I want a piece of the pie. Why shouldn't I? I have a large investment and have to be prepared for everything. The bigger the risk the higher the reward. Right?
Corbat420
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This is the way it has ALLWAYS been in canada.
there have allways been mandatory minimums for marijuana under Lederal canadian law..... the Thing AMERICANS dont realize.... Federal law does NOT trump provintial law in canada...... Federal laws pertain to Certain provinces and all territories.... AKA. only Ontario, the Maritime provinces, Saskatchewan, Alberta and the territories (Nunavit, NWT and yukon). BC, Newfoundland, Quebec and Manitoba (and the Municipality of Cape Bretton) all have provincial laws, which were created apon our federation with the rest of canada... changing them gives us a reason to succeed from canada as a country.....
There is a reason you dont get busted living in BC (where i live...). the judges in BC enforce provincial laws, not federal laws.... the supreme court does that... and who is realy going to push a marijuana charge into the supreme court? seriously.....
Dont wana get busted? Move to BC and grow less than 150 plants..... the smallest recent bust in BC has been for around 150 plants......
Realy? so you dont have a personal Adgenda to decrim marijuana because it would make YOUR life easier? AKA. YOU have a personal adgenda... Grow a brain, and use that shit.....
richinweed
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i also have much invested, to much to allow what i do be monopolized by ppl whome seem to elevate thier own importance and selfserving agendas
researchkitty
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Please note, that politeness is greeted with thanks, but cursing each other out and calling names gets threads closed and posts deleted. 
Thanks!
Thanks!cliffey501
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All criminal code offences are federal.Provinces don't have the authority to enact criminal laws.Wow. are you American, or just stupid? im not talking about BILL's, i'm talking about CONFEDERATION. http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/confederation/index-e.html
http://www.bclaws.ca/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_law
http://www.heritage.nf.ca/law/default.html
....................... C'mon now Y'all. doo sum Searchin' before ya Shoot yer mouth off
P.S: this is Seriously saddening people.... if you DO live in the country, learn the damn laws......
Corbat420
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LOL? OK. done. http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/content?xsl=/templates/toc.xsl/group=A/lastsearch=/ <-- Library of ALL BC laws.
Armoured Vehicle and After-Market Compartment Control Act [SBC 2010] c. 8 <-- Criminal.
Access to Abortion Services Act [RSBC 1996] c. 1 <-- criminal. "11 A provincial constable or municipal constable, as defined in section 1 of the Police Act, may arrest, without a warrant, a person whom the constable believes on reasonable and probable grounds has committed or is committing an offence under this Act."
Body Armour Control Act [SBC 2009] c. 24 <-- Criminal
British Columbia Wine Act [RSBC 1996] c. 39 <-- Criminal (Specifically makes it ILLEGAL to bring alcohol across the BC border.....it deals with drugs
)Building Safety Standards Act [RSBC 1996] c. 42 <-- Criminal standards. you CAN be charged with murder for not meeting standards and causing a death.....
Those are just the A's and B's. i could go through the other 24 letters..... but by now, hopefully you get the point.
P.S: Wikipedia isn't a source. im going to go onto the Link you posted, and change it just to PROVE its not a reasonable source.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_law_of_Canada <-- i "Fixed" it by removing thw WHOLE section about the provinces.... eat that....
cliffey501
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Why isn't theft on there? DUI? possession of cocaine? are those legal there? LOL what you quoted are acts not laws.The only laws we have are the criminal code which is federal.LOL? OK. done. http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/content?xsl=/templates/toc.xsl/group=A/lastsearch=/ <-- Library of ALL BC laws.
Armoured Vehicle and After-Market Compartment Control Act [SBC 2010] c. 8 <-- Criminal.
Access to Abortion Services Act [RSBC 1996] c. 1 <-- criminal. "11 A provincial constable or municipal constable, as defined in section 1 of the Police Act, may arrest, without a warrant, a person whom the constable believes on reasonable and probable grounds has committed or is committing an offence under this Act."
Body Armour Control Act [SBC 2009] c. 24 <-- Criminal
British Columbia Wine Act [RSBC 1996] c. 39 <-- Criminal (Specifically makes it ILLEGAL to bring alcohol across the BC border.....it deals with drugs
Building Safety Standards Act [RSBC 1996] c. 42 <-- Criminal standards. you CAN be charged with murder for not meeting standards and causing a death.....
Those are just the A's and B's. i could go through the other 24 letters..... but by now, hopefully you get the point.
P.S: Wikipedia isn't a source. im going to go onto the Link you posted, and change it just to PROVE its not a reasonable source.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_law_of_Canada <-- i "Fixed" it by removing thw WHOLE section about the provinces.... eat that....
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/
Corbat420
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Because those are federally written and Provincially accepted.... Which is why Marijuana is a gray area... the BC government has their own marijuana legislation, which goes against federal legislation and creates a gray area.
As for what i quoted "Not being actual laws" then why are they punishable with Prison sentances?? Common sense, they are Laws....
Heres from YOUR LINK, since you probably haven't actually read it...
See where it says Provincial judges jurisdiction is ABSOLUTE.... that means the Provinces, and the territorial judges of Nunavit have ABSOLUTE power. AKA, What the provinces says, goes.
Thank you for providing me with the information to definitively prove you wrong.....
cliffey501
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BC does not have their own marijuana laws.If they do I would like you to show me the proof.Its not a grey area at all.I could tell you why BC gets lighter sentences but this is far to much fun.
Corbat420
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http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/13/b-c-judge-strikes-down-some-medical-marijuana-restrictions/ <-- BC Supremem court Over-rules Federal restrictions? How is that possible if what YOUR saying is true?
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tag/marijuana-laws-bc <- BC Marijuana Laws source page.
proof? what proof? i bet that's the next thing that's going to come out.
its funny how i consecutively prove you wrong, and you just stutter back to the plate.... its kind of like debating with a Conservative
cliffey501
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Thats for medical marijuana.Its still illegal to grow in bc if your not legal the same as the rest of canada.http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/13/b-c-judge-strikes-down-some-medical-marijuana-restrictions/ <-- BC Supremem court Over-rules Federal restrictions? How is that possible if what YOUR saying is true?
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tag/marijuana-laws-bc <- BC Marijuana Laws source page.
proof? what proof? i bet that's the next thing that's going to come out.
its funny how i consecutively prove you wrong, and you just stutter back to the plate.... its kind of like debating with a Conservative
Corbat420
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see, now your changing the arguement away from the point, which is: Provincial judges dont have to follow federal Law.
Simple fact of the matter is Judges in BC don't charge people if they have less than 150 plants... unless there are children in the household (which is another completely different charge ..)
cliffey501
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Im not changing my stance at all.So you don't think the new crime bill will take effect in BC then?
Corbat420
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You tried to change the topic away from Provincial enforced laws by saying:
When thats not true. judges BC wide have said they will NOT charge people for less than 150 plants. making it a legal gray area for having 1-149 plants.....
it wont be ENFORCED in BC, just like the rest of the marijuana laws. that doesn't mean it wont take effect. Ignorant cops are still going to arrest people, and the judges are still going to throw the cases out because they are a waste of money.
The biggest thing you have confused: The RCMP are federal, the courts are NOT. you can be arrested and charged federaly, released to never goto court again because no judge will enforce the charge.
Long story short: Mandatory minimums wont effect growers in BC, and probably wont effect quebec growers. BC growers (Along with Quebec growers) will continue to flood the market (Like we allways have..) and we will contiune to set the prices for marijuana Canada wide.
cliffey501
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No I said the criminal code of canada is federal.Provincial government has no jurisdiction in the making of criminal law.Provincial laws are stuff like wildlife violations,traffic offenses, environmental offenses.NOT criminal.
[h=3]Criminal law[/h]Main article: Criminal law in Canada
The enactment of criminal law is within the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal government. The Canadian Criminal Code is applicable uniformly throughout the entire country. Provinces cannot enact criminal legislation and any attempt to do so will be deemed ultra vires (outside its jurisdiction) pursuant to sections 91 and 92 of the Constitution Act, 1867.
The provinces are responsible for the administration of justice, including criminal trials within their respective provinces, despite their inability to enact criminal laws.
Provinces do have the power to promulgate quasi-criminal or regulatory offences in a variety of administrative and other areas, and every province has done so with myriad rules and regulations across a broad spectrum.
Prior to the enactment of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms in 1982 (and continuing to the present day), it was fairly common for a provincial law to be challenged on the grounds that it was a criminal statute, and thus ultra vires or beyond the province's legislative authority. For example, several provincial acts attempting to restrict pornography, prostitution, and abortion procedures were struck down as being enactments of criminal law.
Corbat420
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which is again chaingeing the point.
The point is: Provincial judges dont have to enforce federal law, therefor provincial Laws and Bylaws trump Federal law.
Under the Criminal Code of canada (553.) Provincial judges have ABSOLUTE POWER in canada. you obviously don't understand what that means.
Meaning a Provincial judges Decision is Accepted canada wide, without contempt... Therefor under the criminal code of canada Provincial judges decide what laws to enforce in their province....
If Provincial judges say its LEGAL to have up-to 150 plants, then Guesss what? Its LEGAL to have up to 150 plants. its called a Legal-gray area.
P.S: Just to prove it: http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/11/14/2011BCSC1483.htm
September 2011. the judge threw out a case of 500~ Plants because the cops only waited 1 full minute to smash the door down....they "didn't give him fair warning".... that's not a reason to throw a case out, they simply refuse to charge growers.
The point is: Provincial judges dont have to enforce federal law, therefor provincial Laws and Bylaws trump Federal law.
Under the Criminal Code of canada (553.) Provincial judges have ABSOLUTE POWER in canada. you obviously don't understand what that means.
Meaning a Provincial judges Decision is Accepted canada wide, without contempt... Therefor under the criminal code of canada Provincial judges decide what laws to enforce in their province....
http://www.cjc-ccm.gc.ca/english/resource_en.asp?selMenu=resource_judges_en.asp
If Provincial judges say its LEGAL to have up-to 150 plants, then Guesss what? Its LEGAL to have up to 150 plants. its called a Legal-gray area.
P.S: Just to prove it: http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/11/14/2011BCSC1483.htm
September 2011. the judge threw out a case of 500~ Plants because the cops only waited 1 full minute to smash the door down....they "didn't give him fair warning".... that's not a reason to throw a case out, they simply refuse to charge growers.
cliffey501
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The case was thrown out due to violations of his charter rights.It had nothing to do with the legality of cannabis.People in BC get tried and convicted of cultivation all the time under 150 plants.But now the judges have no say in the sentences.If you are convicted of cultivation or trafficking you will get a mandatory minimum sentence.
richinweed
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................100% true...and oh corbut.... and i am from bc ...