Chai tea latte mix

[goldfish914]

OK, so at a dispensary and saw bottles of this stuff. It's a powdered mix that the guy doesn't know how they make, and you need about 2 tbsp of this instant homogenous powder to add to hot water or milk and it makes for an amazingg drink. I have quite a bit of shake and want to convert it into chai tea latte mix myself. Who knows, maybe hot chocolate or mocha mix? Anyone have any idea or insider information on how their doing this? I'm pretty sure you cant just EAT oil to get affects (actually im quite sure haha so don't worry about telling me this won't work). Do you think it's a powdered milk in the mix? ideas?

 

[goldfish914]

No ideas anyone?

 

[Daxus]

No ideas anyone?

I'm guessing the process is similar to making most powdered teas, like this: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/make-your-own-dry-tea-powders.html

Not sure about how to get active THC into the mix though, maybe it's heated beforehand to remove the carboxyl group, you'd have to heat it at a temperature lower than the vaporization point to prevent it from simply boiling off and it'd probably take longer.

This article: http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2794.html indicates that boiling occurs at 180-200ºC but decarboxylation occurs at around 106ºC.

So I'd say heat the herb to 106ºC for a while, then follow the process in the first article with whatever other herbs you want included for flavor etc.

Also I have to ask, do you do Tai Chi while drinking your Chai Tea?

 

[goldfish914]

haha tai chi. not yet but maybe right now, just had the last of my tea mix.

i think decarboxylating the stuff will do the trick, that's the first step. did some research and 99.9% acetone will be the best tincture solvent. I have to get it online though. I plan on using the oil and splitting it with powdered cinnamon and powdered milk, and more spices, and grinding and splitting the stuff a little bit more to get a nice homogenous powder.

 

[Daxus]

haha tai chi. not yet but maybe right now, just had the last of my tea mix.

i think decarboxylating the stuff will do the trick, that's the first step. did some research and 99.9% acetone will be the best tincture solvent. I have to get it online though. I plan on using the oil and splitting it with powdered cinnamon and powdered milk, and more spices, and grinding and splitting the stuff a little bit more to get a nice homogenous powder.

I'm not sure where you live but Walmart carries pure acetone where I am, it's used to remove paint among other things, though I'm not sure if that's such a good idea. Acetone gives me a nasty chemical vibe. Wouldn't ethanol do better for a tincture because of the neutral PH? Otherwise sounds like it could work fairly well.

 

[Corbat420]

RAWR i hate this.... CHAI = TEA, Therefore Chai Tea = Saying Tea Tea.... one or the other, its Ethier Chai or Tea.... Masala Chai = Mixed-Spice tea. Milk can be used, but its not needed.....

Now that i got that out of the way...

did some research and 99.9% acetone will be the best tincture solvent.

Heres a little fact for you: Only meth Cooks use acetone any more. Ordering Acetone is a redflag and a good way to get the cops on to you.....

99.9% isopropyl alcohol is a much better choice. it is used in many industries, so it doesn't raise any flags and it is just as pure as Acetone or Hexane for Oil extractions (its 99.9% Iso /0.01% water). it is what commercial medical dispensaries use to make their oil. get Pharmaceutical grade, it comes in 1 gallon and 5 gallon containers.

Use this method to make your oil: https://www.rollitup.org/concentrates-extracts/489366-iso-extractions-_oakley_.html

After your oil is made you are home-free... all the hard work is done. and you can make, and drink your super-stoner chai (as i call it )

In a sauce pan, heat but DO NOT BOIL.
1/4 Cup Whole milk
1/4 cup light Creme

After mixture is heated and steaming, Heat up a blob of the oil (The size of a Pencil eraser is a Large dose, with good oil) and drop it into the diary mixture. BEAT the oil into the mixture with a fork or Egg beater untill the oil has fully disipated into the mixture. Add water AFTER the Oils have bonded to the dairy. add spices after water, and steep until desired

P.S: Your talking about making THC water soluble, which would be making a THC salt.... thats Chemicly impossible... MANY people have tried it, it just doesnt work... THC is only Fat soluble (IE, Dairy). the Lowest redux of THC is oil. Oil can be Dehydrated and "Powdered" but its Still not water Soluble.

 

[Daxus]

P.S: Your talking about making THC water soluble, which would be making a THC salt.... thats Chemicly impossible... MANY people have tried it, it just doesnt work... THC is only Fat soluble (IE, Dairy). the Lowest redux of THC is oil. Oil can be Dehydrated and "Powdered" but its Still not water Soluble.

THC is soluble in pretty much all organic solvents I would think, most commonly though alcohols and lipids.Iso-extraction is a very good alternative to acetone. Your recipe is sound but it doesn't generate the powder which I think is what he's after. And if you're going to do it that way why not just extract the THC direct into the fatty whole milk and save a step? Unless you're planning on doing a big batch of oil and using a bit here and there for multiple purposes.

 

[acidbox420]

maybe he could add the powdered milk to the ISO extraction? does powdered milk have fat lol IDK never used the stuff. if it does he could see what happens to the powdered milk when added to the ISO if it dissolves and looks homogeneous then let that evap and see if your powdered milk looks the same haha. Then the question is will thc bond to fat while suspended in alcohol

 

[Corbat420]

why not just extract the THC direct into the fatty whole milk and save a step?

Because rendering plant matter causes plant waxes, chlorophyll, Water soluble carbohydrates and other things to be rendered out of the plant matter. a Proper oil extraction can end up being 75%+ cannabinoids (THC,THCV,CBA,CBD and others). theer have been some oils tested (Such as pure gold) that have a 95% Cacannabinoid content

Your recipe is sound but it doesn't generate the powder which I think is what he's after.

Which is why i added the P.S. its chemicly impossible to render THC to a point where you can add water, and drink it..... it just doesn't work that way. you have to sauce the THC to bond to a Fat or Solvent (Dairy, or Alcohol..). from there you have to render down the substance (Alcohol leaves oil, Dairy leaves dairy fats). from there you would have to dehydrate and "Powder" the substance.

Doing all of that still doesn't change the fact that cannabinoids are NOT water soluble. you NEED to make a dairy tea or a tincture to cause the THC to bond.

THC + an Ester group (Via Acid) / purified by column chromatograph = TAC (TetraAlkylCanabinol) .... But unless you have a Masters degree, good luck...

tetrahydrocannabinol = NOT water soluble.
tetraalkyl cannabinol = Water soluble.

 

[Daxus]

maybe he could add the powdered milk to the ISO extraction? does powdered milk have fat lol IDK never used the stuff. if it does he could see what happens to the powdered milk when added to the ISO if it dissolves and looks homogeneous the question is will thc bond to fat while suspended in alcohol

Well powdered whole milk can contain a lot of fat, there is low fat powdered milk which obviously isn't what you'd want to go for. However it doesn't make any sense to put powdered milk in ISO really. The ISO's job is to extract THC and leave it behind when it evaporates. You can evaporate the milk but you won't have powdered milk, it's a lot harder to make than that. It involves processes that are somewhat similar to freeze drying.

The THC will bond with whatever is easiest, probably the alcohol depending on amounts and purity.

 

[Daxus]

Because rendering plant matter causes plant waxes, chlorophyll, Water soluble carbohydrates and other things to be rendered out of the plant matter. a Proper oil extraction can end up being 75%+ cannabinoids (THC,THCV,CBA,CBD and others). theer have been some oils tested (Such as pure gold) that have a 95% Cacannabinoid content



Which is why i added the P.S. its chemicly impossible to render THC to a point where you can add water, and drink it..... it just doesn't work that way. you have to sauce the THC to bond to a Fat or Solvent (Dairy, or Alcohol..). from there you have to render down the substance (Alcohol leaves oil, Dairy leaves dairy fats). from there you would have to dehydrate and "Powder" the substance.

Doing all of that still doesn't change the fact that cannabinoids are NOT water soluble. you NEED to make a dairy tea or a tincture to cause the THC to bond.

THC + an Ester group (Via Acid) / purified by column chromatograph = TAC (TetraAlkylCanabinol) .... But unless you have a Masters degree, good luck...

tetrahydrocannabinol = NOT water soluble.
tetraalkyl cannabinol = Water soluble.

Yes THC is NOT water soluble. Oil isn't water soluble either for that matter you're just going to be drinking tea with oil in it. And alcohol can just as easily extract plant waxes, chlorophyll, etc as well it all depends on how good you are with the process. Theoretically you could make the powder if you had a method of making powdered milk. Just extract the THC into the milk fat and then make powdered milk from it. It should retain the fat with the THC attached. Sounds hard as balls though.

 

[Corbat420]

Oil isn't water soluble either for that matter you're just going to be drinking tea with oil in it. And alcohol can just as easily extract plant waxes, chlorophyll, etc as well it all depends on how good you are with the process.

#1. The oil is bonded to the Milk, which is bonded to the water. When its PROPERLY done its not just a drink with oil in it....

#2. Yes alcohol can suspend the plant waxes as well, but like i said before when its PROPERLY done its 75%+ cannabinoids....

Theoretically you could make the powder if you had a method of making powdered milk. Just extract the THC into the milk fat and then make powdered milk from it. It should retain the fat with the THC attached. Sounds hard as balls though.

Dairy allready has high Fat content, and you have to add More creme to get More oil to bond with the creme....Due to the nature of fats and oils, even if you managed to Evaporate ALL of the water without spoiling the dairy, you would be left with an oily, fatty powder... Commercial powdered milk is SKIM milk (NO fat..), so you have to fund Full Creme powdered milk....

IDK if this would work, but im starting to think its the only real way to get a "Powdered" form of THC.....
Extract oil to ISO
Add powdered milk (FULL creme) as a saturating agent
Boil off alcohol
Mix oily powder with water and heat to Render into 2 distinct layers
Let cool and take the top layer off (milk fat / cannabinoids are lighter than water, and will settle on the top, forming a puck)

Dissolve Purified fatty oils in Alcohol a second time
Ensure the mixture is FULLY dissolved (Use LOTS of Alcohol)

Boil off the alcohol and water (The alcohol evaporation will loft the water in the mixture)
Purify Powder by dry heating (to 65-70C)
Scrape up remaining powder...


i have to find some Full creme powdered milk and try this....

 

[Daxus]

#1. The oil is bonded to the Milk, which is bonded to the water. When its PROPERLY done its not just a drink with oil in it....

#2. Yes alcohol can suspend the plant waxes as well, but like i said before when its PROPERLY done its 75%+ cannabinoids....



Dairy allready has high Fat content, and you have to add More creme to get More oil to bond with the creme....Due to the nature of fats and oils, even if you managed to Evaporate ALL of the water without spoiling the dairy, you would be left with an oily, fatty powder... Commercial powdered milk is SKIM milk (NO fat..), so you have to fund Full Creme powdered milk....

IDK if this would work, but im starting to think its the only real way to get a "Powdered" form of THC.....
Extract oil to ISO
Add powdered milk (FULL creme) as a saturating agent
Boil off alcohol
Mix oily powder with water and heat to Render into 2 distinct layers
Let cool and take the top layer off (milk fat / cannabinoids are lighter than water, and will settle on the top, forming a puck)

Dissolve Purified fatty oils in Alcohol a second time
Ensure the mixture is FULLY dissolved (Use LOTS of Alcohol)

Boil off the alcohol and water (The alcohol evaporation will loft the water in the mixture)
Purify Powder by dry heating (to 65-70C)
Scrape up remaining powder...


i have to find some Full creme powdered milk and try this....

You're obviously far more skilled in chem. than I (sadly this is something that interests me but I never have time for) and it sounds like you've got a pretty interesting refined method there.

I know they make powdered milk with high fat content (full cream as you said) I'm just guessing it's pretty rare or in low demand. Sounds like a hell of a process but would be interesting.

 

[goldfish914]

Mr ganaj I believe your right with the full creme idea, I did look at making powdered milk but not for long because I quickly found out it was a very difficult process. I found 99.9% acetone at home depot, so no worries there. I'll try a couple ideas once my oil's done. right now it's sitting in that acetone and I'm gonna give it a nice long time before I try anything. this powdered thc HAS to be possible because they do it at the dispensary and I tested it trust me it works haha

 

[Daxus]

Mr ganaj I believe your right with the full creme idea, I did look at making powdered milk but not for long because I quickly found out it was a very difficult process. I found 99.9% acetone at home depot, so no worries there. I'll try a couple ideas once my oil's done. right now it's sitting in that acetone and I'm gonna give it a nice long time before I try anything. this powdered thc HAS to be possible because they do it at the dispensary and I tested it trust me it works haha

I really would reconsider the acetone, when working with chemicals involving something that's going to be ingested it's best to pick something a little less nasty. Even isopropyl alcohol would be a better choice, I'd go with Ethanol myself just to be sure. But hey it's your call.

 

[acidbox420]

Have you checked out dry ice hash maybe that would give you a better consistency to work with