Kosher Kush, Holy Grail Kush, Cataract Kush, Tora Bora Review
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My experience with respect to the ease and growth characteristics of the subjects.
(Relative to Other Subjects = ROS)
CK
-She developed the smallest root system, used less coco and water ROS
-Watered at 3L/3-4 days (would use smaller pot, if ran again)
-Nute sensitive
-2.5 - 3x stretch
-Wide inter-node spacing
-Lowest yielding (from appearance)
-Very weak stems and secondary branching, required assistance of some sort
-Minimal secondary branching ROS
-Flower Time - 9 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth (10 = it grew itself, 1- worst plant ever) - 5.0
KK2
-Thick stem and adequate secondary branching and solid root system ROS
-Slightly more nute sensitive than KK1, not as much as CK
-watered at 4L/2 - 2.5 days
-3x-3.5x stretch
-Acceptable inter-node spacing
-decent yield, more than KK1 (from appearance) ROS
-Some stems were weak and required assistance (may consider topping, if ran again)
-Flower Time - 9 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth - 6.0
HG2
-Most vigorous from start along with HG1 ROS
-handles nutes well along with HG1 ROS
-thick main stem, solid root mass, and good secondary branching
-Some branches required assistance (may consider topping, if ran again)
-Good yield ROS (from appearance)
-3-3.5x stretch
-Watered at 4L/2 days
-wider inter-node spacing compared to HG1
-Flower Time - 9 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth - 6.5
HG1
-Most vigorous from start along with HG2 ROS
-handles nutes best along with HG1 ROS
-Some branches required assistance (may consider topping, if ran again)
-watered at 4.25L/2days
-3-3.5x stretch
-Biggest yield ROS (from appearance)
-Tighter inter-node spacing compared to HG2
-Flower Time - 9.5 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth - 6.5
KK1
-Lankiest and tallest ROS
-slower development compared to KK2
-3.5 - 4x stretch
-handles nutes better than KK2, not as well as HG1,2
-Nice main stem but least secondary branching ROS
-Watered at 4L/2.5-3 days
-Stacked inter-node spacing, but smaller cola
-2nd lowest yield ROS (from appearance)
-Flower Time - 9.5 -10 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth - 5.0
TB
-Stockiest, thickest and shortest ROS
-Exhibited slow vigor throughout, definitely could have use more veg time
-Excellent secondary branching and no assistance required
-2-2.5x stretch
-Watered at 3.5L/1.5-2 days and strong root system (may use bigger pot, if ran again)
-Slightly nute sensitive, doesn't eat to much esp early on
-Good yield and nice dense cola
-Required a little more pruning ROS
-Flower Time - 10 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth - 6.5
Summary
Out of the four strains, if I had to pick one to run again, based solely on the ease and growth characteristics and ignoring all other major variables (i.e. potency), I would choose the Holy Grail Kush, due to the opinion that it was most vigorous, handled higher ppm levels well, was a good producer and finished quickly ROS.
Update
-Samples from CK, HG2, KK2 will be air dried for 5-7 days, then placed into jars (open) for 5-7 days and then cured until tested.
-Yields will be measured a week or two into the cure period.
-Will have a Preliminary Report on KK2 in couple days.
(Relative to Other Subjects = ROS)
CK
-She developed the smallest root system, used less coco and water ROS
-Watered at 3L/3-4 days (would use smaller pot, if ran again)
-Nute sensitive
-2.5 - 3x stretch
-Wide inter-node spacing
-Lowest yielding (from appearance)
-Very weak stems and secondary branching, required assistance of some sort
-Minimal secondary branching ROS
-Flower Time - 9 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth (10 = it grew itself, 1- worst plant ever) - 5.0
KK2
-Thick stem and adequate secondary branching and solid root system ROS
-Slightly more nute sensitive than KK1, not as much as CK
-watered at 4L/2 - 2.5 days
-3x-3.5x stretch
-Acceptable inter-node spacing
-decent yield, more than KK1 (from appearance) ROS
-Some stems were weak and required assistance (may consider topping, if ran again)
-Flower Time - 9 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth - 6.0
HG2
-Most vigorous from start along with HG1 ROS
-handles nutes well along with HG1 ROS
-thick main stem, solid root mass, and good secondary branching
-Some branches required assistance (may consider topping, if ran again)
-Good yield ROS (from appearance)
-3-3.5x stretch
-Watered at 4L/2 days
-wider inter-node spacing compared to HG1
-Flower Time - 9 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth - 6.5
HG1
-Most vigorous from start along with HG2 ROS
-handles nutes best along with HG1 ROS
-Some branches required assistance (may consider topping, if ran again)
-watered at 4.25L/2days
-3-3.5x stretch
-Biggest yield ROS (from appearance)
-Tighter inter-node spacing compared to HG2
-Flower Time - 9.5 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth - 6.5
KK1
-Lankiest and tallest ROS
-slower development compared to KK2
-3.5 - 4x stretch
-handles nutes better than KK2, not as well as HG1,2
-Nice main stem but least secondary branching ROS
-Watered at 4L/2.5-3 days
-Stacked inter-node spacing, but smaller cola
-2nd lowest yield ROS (from appearance)
-Flower Time - 9.5 -10 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth - 5.0
TB
-Stockiest, thickest and shortest ROS
-Exhibited slow vigor throughout, definitely could have use more veg time
-Excellent secondary branching and no assistance required
-2-2.5x stretch
-Watered at 3.5L/1.5-2 days and strong root system (may use bigger pot, if ran again)
-Slightly nute sensitive, doesn't eat to much esp early on
-Good yield and nice dense cola
-Required a little more pruning ROS
-Flower Time - 10 weeks
-Overall Ease of Growth - 6.5
Summary
Out of the four strains, if I had to pick one to run again, based solely on the ease and growth characteristics and ignoring all other major variables (i.e. potency), I would choose the Holy Grail Kush, due to the opinion that it was most vigorous, handled higher ppm levels well, was a good producer and finished quickly ROS.
Update
-Samples from CK, HG2, KK2 will be air dried for 5-7 days, then placed into jars (open) for 5-7 days and then cured until tested.
-Yields will be measured a week or two into the cure period.
-Will have a Preliminary Report on KK2 in couple days.
Hi Again,
I thought the early sample, off a lower branch, of the KK2 was dry enough for pics and I loaded the sample of the HG2 from last week for contrast purposes.
All samples are personally consumed and meticulously hand manicured for minimal trim, or lack thereof preferably. Trim is used for butter and edibles.
KK2- Early Sample (7 days dry)
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KK2- Early Sample (9 days dry)
HG2 - Previous Sample
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Next Preliminary Report will be on HG1, early sample picked 4 days ago.
Peace.
I thought the early sample, off a lower branch, of the KK2 was dry enough for pics and I loaded the sample of the HG2 from last week for contrast purposes.
All samples are personally consumed and meticulously hand manicured for minimal trim, or lack thereof preferably. Trim is used for butter and edibles.
KK2- Early Sample (7 days dry)
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KK2- Early Sample (9 days dry)
HG2 - Previous Sample
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Next Preliminary Report will be on HG1, early sample picked 4 days ago.
Peace.
rathacker
Active Member
absolutely amazing
I've read the whole thread and im like wheres the review? then i read the date and you posted this last night! I am so so glad to come across this, Such a great comparison man, and i was thinking of growing one of these strains and now i have such a broader perspective. DNA seeds are killing it, and its good to see the phenos are pretty similar, seems like a stable strain, although I'm leaning to on the organic soil grow rather than the more complex hydro gro. This thread is extremely underrated thanks so much for all the pictures and reviews to date. looking forward to seeing whats next
beautiful plants man much respect
I've read the whole thread and im like wheres the review? then i read the date and you posted this last night! I am so so glad to come across this, Such a great comparison man, and i was thinking of growing one of these strains and now i have such a broader perspective. DNA seeds are killing it, and its good to see the phenos are pretty similar, seems like a stable strain, although I'm leaning to on the organic soil grow rather than the more complex hydro gro. This thread is extremely underrated thanks so much for all the pictures and reviews to date. looking forward to seeing whats next
beautiful plants man much respect
Hi there.
Thank you for your kind words, Rathacker.
Im glad this thread is of some value to you and I look forward to its completion as well.
Nice. I am interested in going organic in the future as well. Best of luck in your journey.
On the topic of stability, I cannot offer a definitive statement or opinion due to sample size and that my personal method for identifying and distinguishing between different phenotypes is based mainly on potency, THC-CBD profiles and the type of high produced, in addition to other variables such as physical growth characteristics and yield. Until final samples are tested, I cannot confirm with significant confidence, the existence of multiple phenotypes within the sample and even then, I would not be able to confidently express a conclusion of stability, with regards to phenotype or lack of hermaphroditic tendencies, of any strain tested without more data and experimentation.
Thanks again to all.
Peace.
Thank you for your kind words, Rathacker.
Im glad this thread is of some value to you and I look forward to its completion as well.
Nice. I am interested in going organic in the future as well. Best of luck in your journey.
On the topic of stability, I cannot offer a definitive statement or opinion due to sample size and that my personal method for identifying and distinguishing between different phenotypes is based mainly on potency, THC-CBD profiles and the type of high produced, in addition to other variables such as physical growth characteristics and yield. Until final samples are tested, I cannot confirm with significant confidence, the existence of multiple phenotypes within the sample and even then, I would not be able to confidently express a conclusion of stability, with regards to phenotype or lack of hermaphroditic tendencies, of any strain tested without more data and experimentation.
Thanks again to all.
Peace.
luckybleu
Well-Known Member
Nice thread ,nice plants nice info thanks,I almost ordered kosher kush but got og 18 from R.P. instead was wondering since you've grown it ,some particulars ,how much stretch,potency, nute tolerance,etc. ,Thanks
Hello There.
From the best of my memory.
-stretch is about 3x
-I've had success topping for four colas, once it was established in veg.
-Once topped, let it veg for another week or so, then into 12/12.
-She yielded about 2oz in a 2 Gal under a 400w.
-One un-topped, needed support for secondary branching, yielded about 1.5 oz but i preferred that one better.
-Sour smell and taste, requires some type of odour control
-Pretty potent strain, resinous, sticky and fairly dense
-Depending on pheno, around 800-900ppm
-8.5-9.5 weeks flowering time
Cant think of anything else to add.
No problem.
From the best of my memory.
-stretch is about 3x
-I've had success topping for four colas, once it was established in veg.
-Once topped, let it veg for another week or so, then into 12/12.
-She yielded about 2oz in a 2 Gal under a 400w.
-One un-topped, needed support for secondary branching, yielded about 1.5 oz but i preferred that one better.
-Sour smell and taste, requires some type of odour control
-Pretty potent strain, resinous, sticky and fairly dense
-Depending on pheno, around 800-900ppm
-8.5-9.5 weeks flowering time
Cant think of anything else to add.
No problem.
Tony Sativa
Member
I've got 4 Holy Grail seedlings under the T-5's now and interested on what you think of the quality of high, tightness of buds and yield. I'm doing them in organic soil with bitanicare organic nutes and planning on mainlining/supercropping them with a long veg time. I want them to finish with 8 branches and four feet tall for heavy yields. Any advise you can add will be helpful ? They will be flowered under a aircooled growzilla hood with 2000 watts mixed mh/hps in a 5x5 tent
Hi Tony.
I have no experience with organics or botanicare nutrients, so will be of no help there.
Given your setup, I assume you have more experience and knowledge than me, so I dont know if I can be of much value in this case. This will be the third cycle Ive had the pleasure of completing, all using a single 400w in a 2 x 4 space, so I dont have any experience with any larger set-ups and environments.
As for the Holy Grail, she will like to stretch and grow tall, so if your desire a long veg. and 4 foot plants, I foresee significant labour required to do so, which you have planned.
Im not sure if this works, but I move into the 12/12 period gradually from 18/6 over several days, to transition the subjects into the flowering cycle in an attempt to reduce the transitional stress and replicate nature in a sense. Also, I introduce HPS lighting one week into 12/12 to help with stretch.
My personal preference, if ran again, would be to avoid inducing stress in the flowering period and top for 4 colas (8 for you) once they are established in veg. I actually prefer to pinch, which was done on HG1 and HG2, rather than supercropping. I believe it provides similar results with less stress on the plant.
Do you have any experience in the past, growing species with similar genetics?
Based on my knowledge, I find such genetics, especially in feminized form, are more prone and susceptible to hermies in less than ideal conditions and with additional stressors. They also tend to be a little sensitive nutrient wise and enjoys the Cal-Mag. OG strains do not possess the reputation for heavy yields, but have the potential to produce potent, hiqh quality meds, however, I think out of all the OGs, this company offers, the Holy Grail is one of, if not, the highest yielder(s).
In terms of quality of high, density and yield, I will absolutely provide a detailed report, consisting of this information when final samples have been thoroughly evaluated.
Thanks
Sup Torn.playa, when you say 3.5-4x stretch, do you mean once flipped to flower?
Yes. Stretches are listed from when 12/12 was started.
The KK1 was about 10 inches (slower growth) and KK2 was about 12 inches before 12/12 starteed, and finished at around 40” and 36” respectively. I think with a slightly longer veg time, one could reduce the stretch that I experienced, based on the hypothesis, that some subjects may not have been fully mature and ready to flower when 12/12 was started.
Thanks.
Tony Sativa
Member
Thanks for the info ipplaya[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] that tells me what I need to know for the most part and I'll keep checking back to see your final smoke report. I've been growing indoors for the past 20 plus years and in this set up for the last 5 years. I've had other DNA kush strains in the past so this should work out well. From the looks of your pics it's going to be easy to get the yield up heavy.This strain is so new I think you're going to have the first grow report online. Keep up the good work they look great[/FONT]
luckybleu
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the response,your plants look excellent.