1st "real" grow.. Advise from experienced ppl appreciated

[wheels619]

probably not. lol.

 

[montanachadly]

Heres a new take on besides the trichomes are done and you need to chop because all strains are different and even on one plant different parts of the plants mature at the same time. I used to watch the trichomes and all that but now i just let them go heres a bit click on the zeus guide to whatever right here https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/blog18315-zeuss-take-harvesting.html this has some good info and a different perspective but i have been doing it at different times there was a better thread but i cant find it

 

[berkman858]

Heres a new take on besides the trichomes are done and you need to chop because all strains are different and even on one plant different parts of the plants mature at the same time. I used to watch the trichomes and all that but now i just let them go heres a bit click on the zeus guide to whatever right here https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/blog18315-zeuss-take-harvesting.html this has some good info and a different perspective but i have been doing it at different times there was a better thread but i cant find it

Interesting read, I will have to try that some day.

 

[Sims da smoker (Qboro)]

Lol.. I started a little debate on here.. Nice job btw.. I always like how on the weed smoker forums people have the most Civil & intellectual debates.. I think if non smokers came to some of these grower/smoker forums it would change the stereotypes of the weed smoker.

 

[wheels619]

u havent seen some of the heated debates and arguments the trolls start on here. ive seen people banned over stupid ass shit. but racism and ignorance to others is cool on this site i guess. lol. cuz those guys never get banned.

 

[bombasticson]

it is a process. the first week is a transitional week. the stretch is technically when it starts its flower. thats when the plant realizes it needs to start budding. thats why it stretched to make space in between the nodes for the bud sites to have enough space. and just becus the plant isnt budding all big yet doesnt mean its not in flower... once u change the light cycle u r putting the plant into flower. it just takes a few days to realize what the hell is going on. its the same way if u put it back into veg. it takes the same if not longer to revert back to growing instead of budding. sometimes up to a month. and berkman is right. seed banks recommendation times for flower are from them having nearly perfect growing conditions. ie growing in a refrigerated area. multiple thousand watt lights. co2. blah blah blah the list goes on. things that u get with a 20,000+ dollar grow room. and its not meant to be exact. its meant to give u an approximation as to when ur plants are done. u should never cut them just becuz its been 8 weeks. u should get in really close to check the trics first before doing anything. and my plants have pistils before i put mine into flower. does that mean that its been flowering under 18/6? no it just simply means that the plant is mature. and if u let a plant fully mature. sometime as much as two months in veg u would notice that when u put the plant into flower the process is even faster becus its a mature plant already. it doesnt have to force maturity in that first week before the stretch becuz the light cycle changed like most people r used 2 becus its already a fully mature plant. ie it takes longer for me to flower the exact same strain if i put it into flower at one month of veg whereas it would take almost half a week if not more time off with a two month veg...

I would never harvest in 8 weeks from switching lights because flowering can take 1-2 weeks to begin. I forgot the site I got this info from but it makes sense to me I recently grew some blueberry gum which is a 7 week strain. I did 12/12 for 9 weeks because I didn't see pistils until about 1 week and then I saw nice big pistils 2 weeks from switching lights to 12/12. So I believe that flowering could only be when you start seeing flowers which are buds.

 

[wheels619]

hmm. wasnt impressed by the link. tons of other ways to know that ur bud is done sure. but the easiest way to tell a newb how to tell if his plants are done is to tell him to check color. of course 12000 other way are available but unless uve grown enough pot to get an idea of these other ways ur toast. a newb will never figure the swelling of the buds or the way the pistils have started changing and unless they have grown a few times and have noticed the changes first hand otherwise they will never figure out what ur talking about. lol. its all about practice in this art form. if the newbs havent practiced the easy way, what makes u think they will get the harder and more advanced ways of telling?

 

[wheels619]

I would never harvest in 8 weeks from switching lights because flowering can take 1-2 weeks to begin. I forgot the site I got this info from but it makes sense to me I recently grew some blueberry gum which is a 7 week strain. I did 12/12 for 9 weeks because I didn't see pistils until about 1 week and then I saw nice big pistils 2 weeks from switching lights to 12/12. So I believe that flowering could only be when you start seeing flowers which are buds.

a 20000+ dollar grow room can have that 7 week strain done in 7 weeks with a fully mature plant at the beginning of the 12/12 cycle. urs however cannot. neither can mine. berkmans is the closest becuz of the co2 and the thousand with the ac and dehumidifier in such a small space with the complete hydro system. if u arent running seed bank type setups of course ur not going to get it done at 7 weeks. lol. none of us are. they have multiple thousand watt lights going on fully mature plants at the beginning of flower with constant 24 hour co2 at 1500+ ppms with dehumidifiers and refrigerated rooms. lol. ur not getting what we r saying. they have what only few peoples with really fuckin big budgets and vast amounts of knowledge can have in grow equipment and environment. they are the aces of growing weed and weed genetics. they can look at a plant and tell u exactly whats wrong with it as where we would have to look it up. we are novice. they are pro. if u get pro maybe u can figure out how to set up a 100% ideal growing environment and get it done in 7. until then u and the rest of us guys are stuck with 8-9 weeks of flower.if the plant is fully mature before u put it into flower then u will take a week off of u 9 and 1/2 weeks u were talking about. plus u have to consider whether its indica and sativa which also plays a roll. not to mention pheno that the seeds u get actually are. if they take sativa dominant pheno then they are going to take longer than an indica dominant pheno.

 

[bombasticson]

it is a process. the first week is a transitional week. the stretch is technically when it starts its flower. thats when the plant realizes it needs to start budding. thats why it stretched to make space in between the nodes for the bud sites to have enough space. and just becus the plant isnt budding all big yet doesnt mean its not in flower... once u change the light cycle u r putting the plant into flower. it just takes a few days to realize what the hell is going on. its the same way if u put it back into veg. it takes the same if not longer to revert back to growing instead of budding. sometimes up to a month. and berkman is right. seed banks recommendation times for flower are from them having nearly perfect growing conditions. ie growing in a refrigerated area. multiple thousand watt lights. co2. blah blah blah the list goes on. things that u get with a 20,000+ dollar grow room. and its not meant to be exact. its meant to give u an approximation as to when ur plants are done. u should never cut them just becuz its been 8 weeks. u should get in really close to check the trics first before doing anything. and my plants have pistils before i put mine into flower. does that mean that its been flowering under 18/6? no it just simply means that the plant is mature. and if u let a plant fully mature. sometime as much as two months in veg u would notice that when u put the plant into flower the process is even faster becus its a mature plant already. it doesnt have to force maturity in that first week before the stretch becuz the light cycle changed like most people r used 2 becus its already a fully mature plant. ie it takes longer for me to flower the exact same strain if i put it into flower at one month of veg whereas it would take almost half a week if not more time off with a two month veg...

You also have to wait an extra month to get a fully mature plant, why do that when you can veg from 2 weeks to a month and then wait 2 weeks to start flowering. It's less time and smaller plants because my blueberry gum indica strain I got growing now was growing at about 2 three inches a day, If I waited till the plant matured it would have been 2 or 3 feet before I flowered. Main point if you have the space then waiting till fully mature is a better option, but ppl manage to get some massive yields flowering 1 month into veg you just have to have some scrog and FIM and the rest is history. I haven't done it yet but I am still new to growing currently on 3rd grow and I made a bunch of mistakes on all three grows which turned out to be the greatest learning experience. My fourth grow I will start a journal for my 4th grow should be quite the show

 

[berkman858]

You also have to wait an extra month to get a fully mature plant, why do that when you can veg from 2 weeks to a month and then wait 2 weeks to start flowering. It's less time and smaller plants because my blueberry gum indica strain I got growing now was growing at about 2 three inches a day, If I waited till the plant matured it would have been 2 or 3 feet before I flowered. Main point if you have the space then waiting till fully mature is a better option, but ppl manage to get some massive yields flowering 1 month into veg you just have to have some scrog and FIM and the rest is history. I haven't done it yet but I am still new to growing currently on 3rd grow and I made a bunch of mistakes on all three grows which turned out to be the greatest learning experience. My fourth grow I will start a journal for my 4th grow should be quite the show

Well there are other ways to get small, mature plants and it's called cloning. Clones are the same age and sexual maturity as their moms so they can flower much sooner and shorter than plants from seed. Like I said earlier, my plants showed pistils way before I even thought about switching to 12/12 so that just means they were sexually mature and ready to flower immediately. Your plants take 1-2 weeks to actually begin flower because they are NOT sexually mature when you put them into flower. We are in different situations and will have different results and I think the argument, or debate, should end there. I think it even proves Wheels and my point, but I will agree to disagree if that kills all this back and forth.

P.S. - Wheels I have to correct you with one thing, I don't have an A/C yet. Why do you always have to point out my imperfections?!? That's the only thing I think I am missing and there you go pointing it out making me feel inadequate.

 

[bombasticson]

a 20000+ dollar grow room can have that 7 week strain done in 7 weeks with a fully mature plant at the beginning of the 12/12 cycle. urs however cannot. neither can mine. berkmans is the closest becuz of the co2 and the thousand with the ac and dehumidifier in such a small space with the complete hydro system. if u arent running seed bank type setups of course ur not going to get it done at 7 weeks. lol. none of us are. they have multiple thousand watt lights going on fully mature plants at the beginning of flower with constant 24 hour co2 at 1500+ ppms with dehumidifiers and refrigerated rooms. lol. ur not getting what we r saying. they have what only few peoples with really fuckin big budgets and vast amounts of knowledge can have in grow equipment and environment. they are the aces of growing weed and weed genetics. they can look at a plant and tell u exactly whats wrong with it as where we would have to look it up. we are novice. they are pro. if u get pro maybe u can figure out how to set up a 100% ideal growing environment and get it done in 7. until then u and the rest of us guys are stuck with 8-9 weeks of flower.if the plant is fully mature before u put it into flower then u will take a week off of u 9 and 1/2 weeks u were talking about. plus u have to consider whether its indica and sativa which also plays a roll. not to mention pheno that the seeds u get actually are. if they take sativa dominant pheno then they are going to take longer than an indica dominant pheno.

I got what your saying man I wasn't arguing that

 

[wheels619]

well there are other ways to get small, mature plants and it's called cloning. Clones are the same age and sexual maturity as their moms so they can flower much sooner and shorter than plants from seed. Like i said earlier, my plants showed pistils way before i even thought about switching to 12/12 so that just means they were sexually mature and ready to flower immediately. Your plants take 1-2 weeks to actually begin flower because they are not sexually mature when you put them into flower. We are in different situations and will have different results and i think the argument, or debate, should end there. I think it even proves wheels and my point, but i will agree to disagree if that kills all this back and forth.

P.s. - wheels i have to correct you with one thing, i don't have an a/c yet. Why do you always have to point out my imperfections?!? That's the only thing i think i am missing and there you go pointing it out making me feel inadequate.

aww its not that bad. U still have all of us beat. Lol.

 

[bombasticson]

Yea I would do cloning but I don't have anywhere to put them so for now I'm only growing from seed. Trust me man everything you guys are tlking about I've researched, I do so much research I'm bound to be a pro

 

[Kyle Keen Green]

Hows my First Grow coming along, Comments Welcome

https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/422677-kyle-keen-green.html

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[berkman858]

Hows my First Grow coming along, Comments Welcome

https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/422677-kyle-keen-green.html

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Why are you hijacking Sim's thread? Get your own thread, they are very reasonably priced.

 

[wheels619]

why are you hijacking sim's thread? Get your own thread, they are very reasonably priced.

u have to admit. His plants do look nice and green. But i have to admit. The veg part is the easy part. Lol. Just wait till u get to the hard part. Lol.

 

[wheels619]

yea i would do cloning but i don't have anywhere to put them so for now i'm only growing from seed. Trust me man everything you guys are tlking about i've researched, i do so much research i'm bound to be a pro

im only growing from seed right now too. Lol.

 

[wheels619]

yea i would do cloning but i don't have anywhere to put them so for now i'm only growing from seed. Trust me man everything you guys are tlking about i've researched, i do so much research i'm bound to be a pro

cloning is easier than dealing with seed. U can build a small 8 site buble cloner like i did for about 20 bucks at walmart and u can have a 100% root rate for ur clones. Its easier than seeds. Plus they grow and root faster.

 

[bombasticson]

cloning is easier than dealing with seed. U can build a small 8 site buble cloner like i did for about 20 bucks at walmart and u can have a 100% root rate for ur clones. Its easier than seeds. Plus they grow and root faster.[/QUOT

You still have to have somewhere to put the clones because they can't go under a HID right away and I have one closet and one light so I can't do any cloning. I know that cloning is easier but I don't have anywhere to put the clones.

 

[wheels619]

cloning is easier than dealing with seed. U can build a small 8 site buble cloner like i did for about 20 bucks at walmart and u can have a 100% root rate for ur clones. Its easier than seeds. Plus they grow and root faster.[/QUOT

You still have to have somewhere to put the clones because they can't go under a HID right away and I have one closet and one light so I can't do any cloning. I know that cloning is easier but I don't have anywhere to put the clones.

a single 26 watt cfl in a lamp above ur clones will work plugged directly into the wall on 24/7. once rooted they can go right under the hid without a hitch. just as an fyi. they dont need a shit ton of light. remember they arent trying to grow up top just down below in the water. the cfl is basically just enough to keep them in veg until they root so they dont die. low light keeps them from trying to grow as much up top which in turn keeps them from yellowing as much and dying as quickly from the starvation. cloning is a lot easier than most people think. even in rapid rooters a single cfl will work. but u need rooting concentrates for it to work correctly unless ur strain roots easily. but u wont know till u try. or take a party cup with holes in it. toss some coco or something in it. dip ur cutting in some rooting hormone and shove it in the medium. cheap easy effective.

and just shove them in ur closet. good a place as any.