Is there anyone selling bulk Mexican bagseed online?

[ourkansaw]

Not really what you get from mexican bag seed is bad genetics as they do not cull out bad genes and such they just threough seed from previous crops down and hope its not to hermie.

Well I would argue that the whole point of wanting to try out landrace genetics is if you disagree with the general public about some of those "bad" genes. You know, things like plant size, density of buds, potency, flowering period.

ACE and Cannabiogen have a bunch of landrace genetics to sort though, they are related seed banks. These are worked landrace seeds and stable unlike some bagseed you would try.

That's probably the sort of thing I'll have to settle for, even though I dislike the idea of someone "stabilizing" a landrace strain. Kinda takes a little of the landrace out of landrace if you ask me.

As I said before, I realize that most of you don't want this type of plant, and I realize that's why it's hard to find someone selling the seeds. But for me, personally, this isn't about growing the most potent pot I can, or maximizing my yield, or any of that crap. I really enjoy the way a sativa smells and looks, and the vigorous growth it exhibits, from the perspective of a gardener. I like the idea that I am growing something that no commercial breeder has gotten his hands on, so I can smoke it basically the way it's been smoked for generations.

I don't smoke very much, and I won't be selling any of it, so I'm fine with what you may consider to be an inferior product with low yields. I even like something a little less potent, so that even someone with my relatively low tolerance can sit around smoking a whole joint and still be a functional human being. But that's probably just me!

 

[Vindicated]

I do get why you'd want a landrace strain. However, I'd urge you to look for a Thai, Hawaiian, or African landrace strain if you wanted something different. I also strongly recommend you look for a Sativa dominant strain like Skunk #1, Blue Dream, or Super Silver Haze. I grew Mexican Swag years ago and mine were all Indica dominant and quite potent. I once had White Rhino and Mexican Swag growing right next to each other and unless you happened to see the label, you'd be hard pressed to know which one was which. If you enjoy functional highs without the couch lock feeling, Sativas are the way to go.

 

[ourkansaw]

I do get why you'd want a landrace strain. However, I'd urge you to look for a Thai, Hawaiian, or African landrace strain if you wanted something different. I also strongly recommend you look for a Sativa dominant strain like Skunk #1, Blue Dream, or Super Silver Haze. I grew Mexican Swag years ago and mine were all Indica dominant and quite potent. I once had White Rhino and Mexican Swag growing right next to each other and unless you happened to see the label, you'd be hard pressed to know which one was which. If you enjoy functional highs without the couch lock feeling, Sativas are the way to go.

That's odd that you say yours was indica... all I've read says that most of the mexican strains are sativa, and the photo I attached to the original post, above, shows how purely sativa my Mex schwag seed turned out last time I tried it.

That said, I would definitely like to try one of the african landrace sativas as well, but the major seedbanks that ship to the U.S. seem to be permanently out of stock of those strains right now. I'd also be interested in the southeast asian ones (thai/laos/cambodia), but I prefer the huge lanky/bushy growth pattern you see mostly with the african and the south american sativas.

 

[stak]

That said, I would definitely like to try one of the african landrace sativas as well, but the major seedbanks that ship to the U.S. seem to be permanently out of stock of those strains right now. I'd also be interested in the southeast asian ones (thai/laos/cambodia), but I prefer the huge lanky/bushy growth pattern you see mostly with the african and the south american sativas.

Check these out http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/world-of-seeds-regular/cat_374.html

 

[ourkansaw]

Check these out http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/world-of-seeds-regular/cat_374.html

Yeah, I'd looked at those, but the descriptions tended to disappoint me a little. I want something where the description warns you that it gets gigantic and takes forever to flower, so it's not for the faint-of heart. But I guess if I were selling seeds I'd probably focus on the "positive" aspects instead of warning about the potential negatives, too.

I guess it's impossible to get what I really want, which is a second chance to grow that exact plant that I remember so fondly. I think I'll just grow my Super Silver and stop thinking about how the grass is greener somewhere else. Thanks for all the links and suggestions, everyone, if the Super Silver disappoints, I know where I'll be headed next!

 

[psari]

Well ... outside of running into a seed fairy who'll gift you select seeds from the smaller farms down there, you may want to look into Origin Genetics as a starting point for this desire to run "landrace" genes.

Again, the nightmare of trusting claim on source, but they supposedly have a good P.Red you may want to try. Listed 16 weeks and no mention of stabilization. Pricey of course like all boutique bean slingers.

LINK: http://www.origin-organics.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=89&category_id=4&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=29


/edit: bah should just be Breeder's Choice for the source more or less. *shrug* This is what happens when you dont get enough sleep. Either way, some info exists on them here and there to help you decide if you want to go that route. As well as other vendors I should have added.


Cheers.

 

[Jogro]

OK, a few points here:

The commercial growers in Mexico aren't the business of selling seeds. Which isn't to say that if you went South of the Border you couldn't find seeds to buy, but virtually by definition Mexican bagseed comes in bags of weed! If you want to buy seeds commercially in the USA, the surest way to do so is to get the seeds free inside a bag of weed.

Now in terms of what you'd actually be buying, its my understanding that 20 years ago, the Mexicans started going to hybridized strains for increased yield, earlier harvests, etc, the same as everyone else. So nowadays much, if not most of the commercially grown Mexican stuff isn't pure landrace anymore. Its still going to be *mostly* Mexican sativa, but mixed in with Dutch genetics, indica genetics, and others.

Excellent post on the topic here
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/508870-real-story-mexican-marijuana.html#post7056557

Again, the fact that these strains are mutts does NOT mean that they're not worth growing. The plants themselves can be quite good, if grown right, harvested and cured properly, etc. Just that if you're looking for some "snapshot" of Mexican weed from the 1970s, there is a pretty good chance that you're not going to find it growing random stuff out from seed today.

 

[Dizzle Frost]

fact is, there is no real landrace straisn in pure form in Mexico anymore, unless you can find a region that has kept it legit all this time..... i tired aquireing a couple strains for myself from a guy who was living in Mexico, most of it is poluted with bastard indica genes now...as far as i know there is zero pure strains offered , Reefermans Blackseed is about as close as it gets for sold genetics, and that strain is IBL from the 70s but was crossbred i belive to become an IBL .... Chimera offers Highland Mexican but its crossed with old DJ Short Blueberry. If you can find legit Michoacan or Oaxacan in pure form yud be a very lucky dude ... lemmie know if you find it

 

[kamut]

I have grown out Mex bag seed in the past 5 years and gotten a straight Afghani plant out of if. They have introduced indica's in recent years. It makes sense for a worldwide business to try to increase production and the expense of "genetic purity". It's not like it's a boutique product.

Also if you grow out Mex bag seed, you can get sativa's and stuff in between. I think it's all over the place now. The bastardized seed bank product would be a million times more predictable than the ultra-bastardized street product.

20 years ago, it seemed like when we grew out Mex, it was straight sativa. Deadly sativa when you babied it indoors.

 

[ourkansaw]

Well that's all disheartening, but at least now I don't feel too bad about not having access to Mexican bagseed where I live... sounds like if I did, I'd be disappointed!

 

[thtstickyicky619]

how many were you looking for. a buddy of mine has a decent stock

 

[CR500ROOST]

I grew Mexican swag and it was indica

 

[bluntmassa1]

I got a half of some decent mexican brick its by far the best mexican I have smoked I'll hook you up just let me know how they do their aint too many seeds in it and a lot of crystals better than someones shitty brick weed youll find its basically mids from mexico sopposedly the brick comes from cali but I'll send you some if you want let me know its probally the best commercial mexican brick although it could be jamiacan or something but defineltly outdoor brick nice seeds well grown

 

[bluntmassa1]

I'm pretty sure they are mostly sativas cause sativas yield more then indicas outdoors but sativa/indica crosses get higher yields so they are most likely mostly sativa hibrids I would go with dr grinspoon from barneys farm for a pure hairloom sativa or you can have my bag seed for free atleast you wont waste your money on dissopointment just would like to here how they do maybe inspire me to try some

That's odd that you say yours was indica... all I've read says that most of the mexican strains are sativa, and the photo I attached to the original post, above, shows how purely sativa my Mex schwag seed turned out last time I tried it.

That said, I would definitely like to try one of the african landrace sativas as well, but the major seedbanks that ship to the U.S. seem to be permanently out of stock of those strains right now. I'd also be interested in the southeast asian ones (thai/laos/cambodia), but I prefer the huge lanky/bushy growth pattern you see mostly with the african and the south american sativas.

 

[Vindicated]

Yeah, Mexico used to be famous for Sativas, but now the Mexican farmers are no different then US and UK growers, buying beans online and from foreigners who barter and trade. Everyone wants to grow the more potent and higher yielding strains. Landraces are becoming rarer and rarer, just like heirlooms.

 

[Jer La Mota]

Yeah, Mexico used to be famous for Sativas, but now the Mexican farmers are no different then US and UK growers, buying beans online and from foreigners who barter and trade. Everyone wants to grow the more potent and higher yielding strains. Landraces are becoming rarer and rarer, just like heirlooms.

In the 70's (1975-1983), the united states government pressured Mexico to spray herbicides on they're crops .. since that's where the weed was coming from.. (source: PBS.The botany of desire(2009)

 

[stonedshinobi]

OK, a few points here:

The commercial growers in Mexico aren't the business of selling seeds. Which isn't to say that if you went South of the Border you couldn't find seeds to buy, but virtually by definition Mexican bagseed comes in bags of weed! If you want to buy seeds commercially in the USA, the surest way to do so is to get the seeds free inside a bag of weed.

Now in terms of what you'd actually be buying, its my understanding that 20 years ago, the Mexicans started going to hybridized strains for increased yield, earlier harvests, etc, the same as everyone else. So nowadays much, if not most of the commercially grown Mexican stuff isn't pure landrace anymore. Its still going to be *mostly* Mexican sativa, but mixed in with Dutch genetics, indica genetics, and others.

Excellent post on the topic here
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/508870-real-story-mexican-marijuana.html#post7056557

Again, the fact that these strains are mutts does NOT mean that they're not worth growing. The plants themselves can be quite good, if grown right, harvested and cured properly, etc. Just that if you're looking for some "snapshot" of Mexican weed from the 1970s, there is a pretty good chance that you're not going to find it growing random stuff out from seed today.

Man...thank you!....you just gave the best answer i EVER heard...this is the answer ive been looking for for 8 years

 

[BustinScales510]

I know this is an old thread but OP if your still looking for landrace sativas I think Malberry seeds would be another contender. Most of their strains are pure african sativas,not hybridized.Ive seen a couple grows of their stuff and its exactly how you mentioned..long finishing,very stretchy..wispy yields.Ive really wanted to try them because I like growing those kinds of plants too but unfortunately they arent commercially viable and I need a bit of return to keep things running. You can obtain them through hempdepot which is a reliable canadian distributor that will mail discreetly to the US (just kind of a pain in the ass because they dont take credit cards and ask that you send international money orders). I have had 2/2 successful orders with them.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Well actually I'd like to try to scrog a plant like that, and I don't mind a really long flowering period. I enjoy taking care of the plants and even a low-producing, long-flowering strain would be more than sufficient for my consumption (which is pretty minimal). This isn't a commercial operation, it's strictly for my own consumption.So, no, I don't want it hybridized.

Interesting direction, but I think a lot of it has been hybridized over the years. You might check out Ace seeds, they have quite a few land race's apparently in their stock. You also could check out Malberry seeds. Anyone selling African landrace is selling their gear repackaged (they sell bulk only, but if you look around through the african breeders chances are if the menu matches then you could just pick and choose from whichever was cheapest.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

I know this is an old thread but OP if your still looking for landrace sativas I think Malberry seeds would be another contender. Most of their strains are pure african sativas,not hybridized.Ive seen a couple grows of their stuff and its exactly how you mentioned..long finishing,very stretchy..wispy yields.Ive really wanted to try them because I like growing those kinds of plants too but unfortunately they arent commercially viable and I need a bit of return to keep things running. You can obtain them through hempdepot which is a reliable canadian distributor that will mail discreetly to the US (just kind of a pain in the ass because they dont take credit cards and ask that you send international money orders). I have had 2/2 successful orders with them.

If he has the money and patience to go through gigantic quantities of seeds (probably not) he can order directly from them as well. They have a website. http://www.malberry.net/seed.html