trayvan martin
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wisconsin420
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what if tray did attack him you will all look like idiots
UncleBuck
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versus you, who just made yourself look like an idiot.
no one knows who attacked who, the prosecution has already tipped their hat on this.
doc111
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If the prosecution freely admits they don't know who attacked who, then doesn't that just dip their entire case in reasonable doubt? OR is the state going to do something similar to what they did with the Casey Anthony trial and just try to advance their "theory" in the absence of any REAL evidence? It didn't work out so well! How and WHY would they even bother trying a case where the defendant will try to claim "self defense" or "stand your ground" when they can't even say for sure who attacked who? Doesn't this entire case pretty much hinge on who attacked who first? Didn't they learn anything last year?
Corso312
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not really imo....if i was a juror and i had ..not sure who threw first punch..mutt zimm clearly initiated everything ...zimm is guilty... i think zimm pulled his piece and got scared and shot when martin went for the gun...martin feared (rightfully so) for his life ..zimm is the aggressor .....and as far a casey anthony the state fucked by not saying one simple phrase to the simpleton hay seeds in florida..."there is not a videotape of casey anthony committing this awful crime..but she did it no doubt..connect the dots it is very clear...reasonable doubt does not mean no eye witnesses ....
really comfy slippers
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Zimmbomb stepped out of his truck? Why?
Case closed sluts
Case closed sluts
afrawfraw
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Not really. I would attack someone following me and yelling. The real question is did Zimm's actions instigate the altercation or try to minimize it. If the prosecution can prove that Zimmy had a viable retreat BEFORE he confronted TM, he's done. If the jury feels TM attacked out of aggression, not self defense, GZ walks.
Perhaps when TM is saying, "Help." Zimmerman felt bad and shot him like a horse? To a hunter, that's help. Right? If you downed a dear, and it was still yelling and kicking, you'd "Help it out", right?
P.S. This is real life, not law. Don't quote my post and then Florida Law. Jurors are human. You can strike testimony from paper, not the human brain.
doc111
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I realize this, but without knowing who attacked who first I don't think a jury will be able to convict. Sorry, he may very well be guilty but a lot of assumptions are being made by people who have no clue what happened. It seems like people are making these assumptions based on emotions. I find this troubling.
Why not? Does he not have the right to step out of his truck? I don't really understand this statement.
really comfy slippers
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Intent, my fellow RIU'r.... Intent
I would LOVE to see the state PROVE that Zimmerman had the intent of killing Martin.
I also love when people say things like " I would attack him if he was following and yelling".
You sure would, and you would be the one going to jail and the one that loses a civil court case when you get sued for the aggressive act. A concerned citizen who is only trying to protect his own property and the property of his neighbors has every right in the world to ask anyone he wants what the fuck they are doing in the neighborhood. Every right. That person being asked has ZERO right to attack that inquiring person, No right whatsoever.
Zimmerman walks. As he should
Avenue of escape? Zimmerman didn't need to use any avenue of escape, that is what the whole SYG law is all about.
I also love when people say things like " I would attack him if he was following and yelling".
You sure would, and you would be the one going to jail and the one that loses a civil court case when you get sued for the aggressive act. A concerned citizen who is only trying to protect his own property and the property of his neighbors has every right in the world to ask anyone he wants what the fuck they are doing in the neighborhood. Every right. That person being asked has ZERO right to attack that inquiring person, No right whatsoever.
Zimmerman walks. As he should
Avenue of escape? Zimmerman didn't need to use any avenue of escape, that is what the whole SYG law is all about.
Samwell Seed Well
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SYG doestn apply as he pursued martin . . . lmfao why are people still quoting syg . .. if it applies to anyone its the dead 17 yr old kid who was walking home from 7 - 11 with his purchases
SYG totally 100% applies, you have no duty to restrict yourself from doing things that there is no law against. Is there a law in Florida which makes it a crime to follow a person and ask questions? No? Then SYG applies.
londonfog
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actually it could be looked at as harrasment or stalking. I don't know what world you live in where a grown ass man ( not in law-enforcment ) can follow kids around and think that thats not criminal.
(818)MedicineMan
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17 year old thugs are not kids.
londonfog
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I can show you some true thugs and you will see just how Trayvon was not, but I'm sure you would rather go on with your stupidity for it enables you to have an argument
doc111
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Zimmerman's behavior MIGHT be considered harrasment but falls far short of the burden for stalking. Unfortunately once again, we only have Zimmerman's word to go on here. The prosecution's best chance, most likely, is to attempt to assassinate his credibility. I'm pretty sure we will see all sorts of dirt coming out about Zimmerman in the coming weeks and months.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/
londonfog
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First comes the harrassment....then comes the stalking. Life lost because someone wanted to play wannabe cop. Zimmerman is a real loser.Zimmerman's behavior MIGHT be considered harrasment but falls far short of the burden for stalking. Unfortunately once again, we only have Zimmerman's word to go on here. The prosecution's best chance, most likely, is to attempt to assassinate his credibility. I'm pretty sure we will see all sorts of dirt coming out about Zimmerman in the coming weeks and months.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/
doc111
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Right, but look at the definition of stalking. Keywords "intentionally and repeatedly". His actions may have been intentional, but they weren't repeated. Stalking laws are mainly for creepers who don't want to let go of an ex or psychos obsessed with a celebrity. Stalking would most likely not apply here. Harassment might.
Samwell Seed Well
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the thing is i would have more sympathy for zimmerman and the prediciment hes in if his attitude wasnt so . . . cavaleir about shooting a kid
he really thinks he did the world a justice . . . . . .it is sad when someone can de value and trivalize somones life for suspicion
hes is more than happy to hear that people support him . .. . . .his validation seeking behavior is indicative of someone who knows what they did was wrong as he tries to demonize the kid he killed and elevate himself to hero . .. . . . he knows that kids was threatened by him . . . .and he took advantage of that and he still has zero remorse . . .
and ya the dirt is going to fly . . . .. the man who tried so hard to fit in . . .all his life . . . is going to have his life examined . . . .. its sad that a reasonable arraigment could have been made before he has to drag his family down with him
he really thinks he did the world a justice . . . . . .it is sad when someone can de value and trivalize somones life for suspicion
hes is more than happy to hear that people support him . .. . . .his validation seeking behavior is indicative of someone who knows what they did was wrong as he tries to demonize the kid he killed and elevate himself to hero . .. . . . he knows that kids was threatened by him . . . .and he took advantage of that and he still has zero remorse . . .
and ya the dirt is going to fly . . . .. the man who tried so hard to fit in . . .all his life . . . is going to have his life examined . . . .. its sad that a reasonable arraigment could have been made before he has to drag his family down with him
Mindmelted
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And all trayvon had to do was say i am going to such and such address to my dads house.
That would have been the end of that story.
That would have been the end of that story.