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[Brother Numsi]

Not sure how I overlooked the bulbs...Digilux are about $180/pr....the Eye is more expensive...about $250/pr before any discounts....so both rooms for around $1,500 using a T5HO 8 or 12. Are you sure I can fit 6 plants under an 8 or 12?

 

[nuglets]

Not sure how I overlooked the bulbs...Digilux are about $180/pr....the Eye is more expensive...about $250/pr before any discounts....so both rooms for around $1,500 using a T5HO 8 or 12. Are you sure I can fit 6 plants under an 8 or 12?

the Hortilux 600w bulbs shoudl run about $120 and the Digilux around $90. that is what Greners has them for. $180 and $250 must be a typo. i'm pretty sure you can fit 6 plants under and 8. positive you can fit them under a 12. how tall are you getting them before you flower them? what size pots will they be in when you put them to flower?

 

[Brother Numsi]

the Hortilux 600w bulbs shoudl run about $120 and the Digilux around $90. that is what Greners has them for. $180 and $250 must be a typo. i'm pretty sure you can fit 6 plants under and 8. positive you can fit them under a 12. how tall are you getting them before you flower them? what size pots will they be in when you put them to flower?

Those aren't misprints, unfortunately. Hortilux is trying to force pricing up. They didn't want their products heavily discounted, so they have tried to establish a minimum adv price. I'll bet face to face in a store it's a different story. The $180 or $250 was for a pair.

My best guess on height before flowering would be 1 to 1 1/4 meters or about 3 to 4 feet high after topping. What's realistic?
I have a friend who uses 5 gallon pots and doesn't veg as long as I plan to do...and his plants are rootbound. I thought 7 gallon pots would do. His potency generally suffers, too....except for the last Kali Mist which was killer!! I know 7's can be cumbersome. I figured I'd transplant at 2 weeks or so. +rep for all the knowledge. Time for sleep. Catch you tomorrow.
Thanks.

 

[nuglets]

Those aren't misprints, unfortunately. Hortilux is trying to force pricing up. They didn't want their products heavily discounted, so they have tried to establish a minimum adv price. I'll bet face to face in a store it's a different story. The $180 or $250 was for a pair.

My best guess on height before flowering would be 1 to 1 1/4 meters or about 3 to 4 feet high after topping. What's realistic?
I have a friend who uses 5 gallon pots and doesn't veg as long as I plan to do...and his plants are rootbound. I thought 7 gallon pots would do. His potency generally suffers, too....except for the last Kali Mist which was killer!! I know 7's can be cumbersome. I figured I'd transplant at 2 weeks or so. +rep for all the knowledge. Time for sleep. Catch you tomorrow.
Thanks.

that sounds about right for hortilux and digilux. i've never used digilux before but i have seen gains using the hortilux super hps and the added blue spectrum in the bulb. i say it's worth it if you have the extra cash.

bro, you're growing some MONSTERS. if they are 4' tall when you put them to flower you had better rethink some strategies here. first off, i don't think a 7 gallon pot will be big enough. might wanna go 11 gallon. your plants will get to 8-9' tall pretty easily. maybe taller. you are gonna need more than 1200w to cover 6 plants that big. more like 2400-3000w. you'll definitely need better lighting than T5's to veg them to that size as well. probably 2 400w MH bulbs or a 1000w. you might wanna rethink how big you are growing them. you'd need a lot more juice, cooling, lighting, etc...

 

[Trulife69]

yo nuglets, I have always wondered about using different colored spectrums of light in veg and flower. I have a 4' 6400K T5 for veg..would it be beneficial to use another light like red or hows that work. And for flower I have 2 cheap 1000w hps lights I got from ebay but would a added blue spectrum light be worth it as well? Just curious how those added extra light spectrums work and what is best

 

[nuglets]

yo nuglets, I have always wondered about using different colored spectrums of light in veg and flower. I have a 4' 6400K T5 for veg..would it be beneficial to use another light like red or hows that work. And for flower I have 2 cheap 1000w hps lights I got from ebay but would a added blue spectrum light be worth it as well? Just curious how those added extra light spectrums work and what is best

what up true. hope things are working out for you.

in veg it really won't make that big a difference. it does help a little though. if you had only 1 bulb then stick with the 6500k. i have an 8 bulb T5 and 3 of them are bloom spectrum. mixing the spectrum up promotes tighter spacing and slightly quicker growth i think.

in flower it's a big bonus though. having a mixed spectrum really improves results on bud density and yield. usually the ratio is 2 or 3 to 1 depending on who you ask. adding some grow spectrum cfl's would really help. hang them near the canopy on your plants and you will see a difference in the density.

 

[Trulife69]

I have a 4' 6 bulb but just using the lights that came with it. I was thinking of getting some new tubes for it but was sure if I could mix and match or what to mix into that t-5 for veg. What t5 bulbs you buy to replace yours? Or whats a good setup thats better than the bulbs that came with it.
later nuglets

 

[nuglets]

I have a 4' 6 bulb but just using the lights that came with it. I was thinking of getting some new tubes for it but was sure if I could mix and match or what to mix into that t-5 for veg. What t5 bulbs you buy to replace yours? Or whats a good setup thats better than the bulbs that came with it.
later nuglets

any of the T5 bulbs are fine. most places sell the spectralux and quantum bulbs. both the same. i would get 4 6500k bulbs and 2 2700k bulbs. place them in this order 626626. that would be the best mixed veg spectrum i think.

 

[Brother Numsi]

Glad to see this site is back up and the bills are paid LOL

that sounds about right for hortilux and digilux. i've never used digilux before but i have seen gains using the hortilux super hps and the added blue spectrum in the bulb. i say it's worth it if you have the extra cash.

bro, you're growing some MONSTERS. if they are 4' tall when you put them to flower you had better rethink some strategies here. first off, i don't think a 7 gallon pot will be big enough. might wanna go 11 gallon. your plants will get to 8-9' tall pretty easily. maybe taller. you are gonna need more than 1200w to cover 6 plants that big. more like

Actually I wanted to max out at 6-6 1/2 feet in height. We have the space and the time. I suppose the only cost difference in using MH to veg would be the bulbs. The only problem is when I move the plants from the veg room to the flower room the lights and fixtures would have to move, too unless I stepped up and used 4 bulbs and fixtures and twice the ventilation. I have the money, but not sure I want to do that...too much buyers remorse if I did....maybe down the road when the initial investment gets paid back.

So a T5HO 8 or 12 is what we'll do to start for veg. How tall do you think I should go in veg using that set up? Also, what do you think of buying 2 Quantum 4 bulb (unless I can find a cheap 2 bulb FL set up which would be a lot less expensive) connected back to back and suspend them between the plants in the flowering room to give the plants additional veg light? Just a thought. At 6 feet you think I need 10 gallon pots? Maybe I am over-reaching here.
Thanks!

 

[nuglets]

Glad to see this site is back up and the bills are paid LOL


Actually I wanted to max out at 6-6 1/2 feet in height. We have the space and the time. I suppose the only cost difference in using MH to veg would be the bulbs. The only problem is when I move the plants from the veg room to the flower room the lights and fixtures would have to move, too unless I stepped up and used 4 bulbs and fixtures and twice the ventilation. I have the money, but not sure I want to do that...too much buyers remorse if I did....maybe down the road when the initial investment gets paid back.

So a T5HO 8 or 12 is what we'll do to start for veg. How tall do you think I should go in veg using that set up? Also, what do you think of buying 2 Quantum 4 bulb (unless I can find a cheap 2 bulb FL set up which would be a lot less expensive) connected back to back and suspend them between the plants in the flowering room to give the plants additional veg light? Just a thought. At 6 feet you think I need 10 gallon pots? Maybe I am over-reaching here.
Thanks!

if you want your plants to be 6' tall then veg them to 2-3' max. they will double to triple in size depending on the strain. If you are gonna keep them at 6' in flower then i think 7 gallon pots would be fine. I thought you were going like 8-9' cause you said you were vegging them to 4'. Anything over 18" in veg and you should have MH lighting on them. considering they are gonna be in 7 gallon pots by the end of veg i would say you are probably gonna need both those 600w bulbs to illuminate the vegging plants.

go with the T5 8 lamp. that will be plenty for 6 plants in say 3 gallon pots. then when you transfer to the bigger pots at say 12-16" tall you can put them under the MH lights. If you want to keep the plants under the T5's then don't go any taller than 18" in veg. they will get to about 4' in flower that way. any taller under those T5's and you might run into some issues.

you could get 4 lights and fixtures or you could just get 2 ballasts and 4 fixtures and that way you only have to change the ballasts over. plus, the first 2 weeks of flower you should keep them on MH lighting anyway. that's what i do. they are still in a vegetative state and benefit more from MH lighting those first 2 weeks than they will from HPS.

i think getting T5's for flower is a waste of your money. if you really wanna spend the money for supplemental lighting on 6 plants then go for it but you don't need it. if anything get yourself some 400w ballasts and hang some 400w CMH bulbs or the Hortilux Eye Blue MH bulbs. those are full spectrum bulbs that give off little heat. or hang CFL'. putting some T5's around the outside isn't gonna do anthing.

 

[cindysid]

Did some improvements to my room. 12' x 14' x 8' sealed. 6 1000 phantoms over 2 x 18 site 3 gallon bucket systems. The dual zone mini split and Co2 are the recent upgrades. Hoods do not have air moving through them anymore. Temp hasn't been over 81F since I dimmed the ballasts to 750.
3 strains on day 28 of flower.
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Such a sweet setup! I only have and 8x10x7 space, but I would love to have a similar setup on smaller scale.

 

[kamie]

my local store sells the 1k eye hortilux and ushios for $61.. those online prices are expensive

 

[nuglets]

my local store sells the 1k eye hortilux and ushios for $61.. those online prices are expensive

if your local store has 1k hortilux bulbs for $61 i'll take 50. seriously. send me a link to their website or gimme their number.

 

[Brother Numsi]

putting some T5's around the outside isn't gonna do anthing.

Actually it was hanging down the center of 2 rows of 3 plants....back to back...just thinking outside the box. If the Lum digital is OK with MH and HPS I can do that easily enough.
When I transplant I was going from a starter right to 7 gal...not a good idea?
Thanks.

 

[nuglets]

Actually it was hanging down the center of 2 rows of 3 plants....back to back...just thinking outside the box. If the Lum digital is OK with MH and HPS I can do that easily enough.
When I transplant I was going from a starter right to 7 gal...not a good idea?
Thanks.

i wouldn't go straight to a 7 gallon pot. stunts the growth and messes your feeding up. go to 1 gallon, then 3 gallon, then 7 gallon a week before flower. you could even do 5 gallon instead of 7. i have some plants i lst'd the shit out of in 5 gallon pots for 10 weeks and they are fine.

if you got to a huge pot like a 7 gallon one right off the bat then you'll basically water them once a month which is not a good thing. you want mj to have a dry cycle. plus, your plant will spend to much energy trying to fill the pot up with roots. not recommended. size up over the course of veg.

 

[Brother Numsi]

Hmmm, too much transplanting unless I have no choice. This is in a small way "commercial" so I expect some work is involved (Hell, I'm retired and going to be 64 LOL) so I can reinvest in more equipment. I don't see growing more than 8 plants in any cycle. How do people get away with 1 transplant?
Oh, BTW a 600w Eye seems to be about $110 unless you buy 6, then it's about $94.... http://goldcoasthydro.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/bulbs.html
Thanks!

 

[Brother Numsi]

My $1,500 lighting budget is going to be exceeded LOL. As far as MH with the Lumatek ballast there are a few differences in the bulbs in the 600w category; HiLux, SolarMax, and Sunpulse...any preferences?

I may need a different reflector since this takes a 400 or 1000 bulb....
[h=1]Hydrofarm DA6AC Daystar 6" Air Cool reflector[/h][h=1][/h]

 

[nuglets]

Hmmm, too much transplanting unless I have no choice. This is in a small way "commercial" so I expect some work is involved (Hell, I'm retired and going to be 64 LOL) so I can reinvest in more equipment. I don't see growing more than 8 plants in any cycle. How do people get away with 1 transplant?
Oh, BTW a 600w Eye seems to be about $110 unless you buy 6, then it's about $94.... http://goldcoasthydro.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/bulbs.html
Thanks!

a lotta people only do 1 transplant but they aren't trying to grow plants 6' tall and they aren't in 5 or 7 gallon pots. i use 5 gallon pots and i transplant twice. it's not like you are hurting the plants. a drop or two of superthrive in the water with light nutes and you might stunt them for a day or two. you stick an 8-12" plant in a 7 gallon pot and you are gonna run into some serious problems at some point. root rot, under fertilized, stunted growth, etc...

seems like a fair price. once you have your list together most hydro places will give you a 10% discount on the entire order.

 

[nuglets]

My $1,500 lighting budget is going to be exceeded LOL. As far as MH with the Lumatek ballast there are a few differences in the bulbs in the 600w category; HiLux, SolarMax, and Sunpulse...any preferences?

I may need a different reflector since this takes a 400 or 1000 bulb....
Hydrofarm DA6AC Daystar 6" Air Cool reflector

HiLux are Ushio. never used them but some people seem to like them. 600w MH i use Digilux or Sunmaster Cool Deluxe. either one of those is great in my opinion.

make sure your ballast and reflector have the same lamp plugs. there are 2 types; common and hydrofarm (http://www.greners.com/expertadvice/ballast-reflector-compatibility.html). Lumatek makes ballasts with both. so find the reflector you want and then get the Lumatek's with that plug. that reflector will take a 600w bulb. all grow reflectors are the same. they'll take 400-1000w bulbs. it's all the same mogul socket.

 

[Trulife69]

I am running that portable a/c and the way its setup now it blows cold air across the canopy of the plants under the lights set on 65deg. I saw a few pictures of plants that were exhibiting that yellowing of younger leaves like mine due to the room being to cold. At plant height I am 72-75 but was wondering if the position of the a/c would be better not blowing directly over the tops of the girls and better just circulating the room.