Republicans declare war on students!!!

[desert dude]

I thought I would save our Democratic contingent and post this. Student loans ought to be a 'right', right?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gop-blocks-senate-debate-dem-163220758.html

 

[Dr Kynes]

I thought I would save our Democratic contingent and post this. Student loans ought to be a 'right', right?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gop-blocks-senate-debate-dem-163220758.html

Absolutely not. Nobody has a "right" to financial loans, nor does the govt have the power to force anyone (not even a corporation) to sign a contract, not even a student loan. Your link leads to a story full of bluster and frothing about evil republicans blocking a bill to keep interest rates low. Only after going halfway through do we receive the irrelevant sidenote about the second half of the bill, a tax hike on the evil 1%. Any tax hike is unacceptable. the federal govt currently consumes a little over 25% of the GDP. Please note, that the federal govt does in fact consume, not transfer this money in the form of debt service, payoffs to foreign powers, and regulatory sinkholes. If The One, His Imperial Majesty Barack Hussein Obama, and The Littlest Leftist Harry Reid want to guarantee low interest loans to every dipshit who wants a graduate degree in Feminist Post-Modernism, then they might consider promulgating a bill to that effect, or perhaps starting a non-profit foundation dedicated to ensuring the rights of ding-dongs to major in Franco-Prussian Renaissance Poetry. I certainly don't want to pay for it.

 

[UncleBuck]

Absolutely not. Nobody has a "right" to financial loans, nor does the govt have the power to force anyone (not even a corporation) to sign a contract, not even a student loan. Your link leads to a story full of bluster and frothing about evil republicans blocking a bill to keep interest rates low. Only after going halfway through do we receive the irrelevant sidenote about the second half of the bill, a tax hike on the evil 1%. Any tax hike is unacceptable. the federal govt currently consumes a little over 25% of the GDP. Please note, that the federal govt does in fact consume, not transfer this money in the form of debt service, payoffs to foreign powers, and regulatory sinkholes. If The One, His Imperial Majesty Barack Hussein Obama, and The Littlest Leftist Harry Reid want to guarantee low interest loans to every dipshit who wants a graduate degree in Feminist Post-Modernism, then they might consider promulgating a bill to that effect, or perhaps starting a non-profit foundation dedicated to ensuring the rights of ding-dongs to major in Franco-Prussian Renaissance Poetry. I certainly don't want to pay for it.

well considering you're not in the 1%, you wouldn't be.

the GOP is trying to make it sound like we have to gut health care to pay for education, which is retarded. health care and education are the two single handedly biggest value added investments you can make into a society. brainwashed extremists carrying the koch brother's water, like yourself, fancy yourselves intellectuals but gloss over the simple fact that health care and education are the two smartest things any society can spend its money on.

now go ahead, get back to making rants about how the centrist obama is worse than mao and how there are only the "haves" and the "soon to haves" as you get back to work flipping burgers at mcdonalds, kiddo.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Both sides are pandering in an effort to get votes. The Dem's are appealing to their base of students and the like while the GOP is attempting to garner business votes, big and small. In the end this is just political posturing about a lousy $1000 over a typical 10
-year student loan. Unless "Barry" can conjure up a way to put even more of these kids into a cushy government position, their degree(s) won't mean a hill of beans anyway. Graduate or otherwise.

 

[cannofbliss]

didnt you guys know that colleges and universities have deals and contracts with banks in order to have "higher" learning be so incredibly expensive... that it causes these students to become forced into financial servitude (to keep the income flowing back to these banks when the student graduate get hired???)

they didnt "force" them by "gun to head" method... but they did force them by making it next to impossible to get a job (in which a job that pays enough for them to survive) without a degree...

the banks offer the loans as an FIXED investment where the statute of limitations on debt no longer applies... to where no matter what the students do even if they graduate and there is no jobs in their market... and the 100,000 dollars "degree" they borrowed suddenly becomes useless and they will still have to pay back the money with interest...

and the banks control the markets... so if they decide to change the flow of the market... the poor students have to get another degree in something else as the market keeps changing so they become "perpetually indebted"...

 

[cannofbliss]

its a solid business model and quite common to see any company or corporation to keep their customers coming back and or staying longer to buy more of their stuff...

so whenever business and money is involved... you'll find out that almost always... it goes against the benefit of the people, and always to the benefit of the very few who are capable enough of manipulating the masses to benefit themselves...

 

[SSHZ]

The fact is no matter if it's 3% or 6%......it's still a reasonable interest rate when you have no other funding choices. I believe most colleges today are a bad investment and if I had kids of college age- actually my youngest graduates this month- I'd do my best to persuade them to forget about college and begin working towards a career instead. Those 4 years can be better spent working IMO.........

 

[redivider]

Absolutely not. Nobody has a "right" to financial loans, nor does the govt have the power to force anyone (not even a corporation) to sign a contract, not even a student loan. Your link leads to a story full of bluster and frothing about evil republicans blocking a bill to keep interest rates low. Only after going halfway through do we receive the irrelevant sidenote about the second half of the bill, a tax hike on the evil 1%. Any tax hike is unacceptable. the federal govt currently consumes a little over 25% of the GDP. Please note, that the federal govt does in fact consume, not transfer this money in the form of debt service, payoffs to foreign powers, and regulatory sinkholes. If The One, His Imperial Majesty Barack Hussein Obama, and The Littlest Leftist Harry Reid want to guarantee low interest loans to every dipshit who wants a graduate degree in Feminist Post-Modernism, then they might consider promulgating a bill to that effect, or perhaps starting a non-profit foundation dedicated to ensuring the rights of ding-dongs to major in Franco-Prussian Renaissance Poetry. I certainly don't want to pay for it.

we have to stop spending money on arming police with tanks and infrared-equipped unmanned drones, prison building, and financial bailouts that only protect the lifestyles of a few rich men...

and what the hell is your problem with people who want to study art and literature? OMG he's reading some poetry, BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!! freak....

 

[redivider]

The fact is no matter if it's 3% or 6%......it's still a reasonable interest rate when you have no other funding choices. I believe most colleges today are a bad investment and if I had kids of college age- actually my youngest graduates this month- I'd do my best to persuade them to forget about college and begin working towards a career instead. Those 4 years can be better spent working IMO.........

you are mistaken. unless your kid is some sort of savant or has some god given talent, send his ass to school. don't ruin his life just because of your stupidity. for the love of god, do something right, for once....

 

[Harrekin]

Americans are always declaring war on nouns...drugs, terror, students, women, you's will probably declare a war on war eventually.

Whats the craic with that like?

 

[Dr Kynes]

well considering you're not in the 1%, you wouldn't be.

the GOP is trying to make it sound like we have to gut health care to pay for education, which is retarded. health care and education are the two single handedly biggest value added investments you can make into a society. brainwashed extremists carrying the koch brother's water, like yourself, fancy yourselves intellectuals but gloss over the simple fact that health care and education are the two smartest things any society can spend its money on.

now go ahead, get back to making rants about how the centrist obama is worse than mao and how there are only the "haves" and the "soon to haves" as you get back to work flipping burgers at mcdonalds, kiddo.

So many fallacies. is such a short comment. Ill do it by the numbers:

1) "well considering you're not in the 1%, you wouldn't be." I presume you mean I would not pay the tax increase. That's incorrect sir. When Mr. Moneybags, who owns controlling interest in a concern, or the company itself (an Oil Company perhaps?) get smacked in the face with an extra couple thousand in taxes, they do not simply pay the tax. Mr. Moneybags and Big Oil Corp both hold pricing power through the goods they produce. raise the cost of making a gallon of heating oil by a dollar, and that heating oil will cost an extra $1.50 a gallon in a few days (cost accountancy always ensures any extra cost is used as an opportunity for profit.) This is a universal truth, and cannot be avoided save by price restrictions, and their evil twin, subsidies.

2)"the GOP is trying to make it sound like we have to gut health care to pay for education" The GOP did not craft, pass, send to the desk of the president, nor sign into law the bill which causes new student loans to increase. this was done year before last, under a bulletproof majority of democrat congressmen, senators, and the president BHO.

3)"gut health care to pay for education" What "healthcare" is this pray-tell. Obamacare is not healthcare. It is an insurance scheme. coming from a state where auto insurance is mandated by law, i can tell you, the same specious claims (lower rates, greater access, reduced costs from uninsured drivers, and a free handjob with every policy statement) were made to foist the auto insurance mandate. It was all lies. days after auto insurance became mandatory, everyone's rates shot through the roof. the insurance commissioner (one of the chief proponents of the measure) was indicted for fraud and accepting bribes (google Chuck Quackenbush for his Baron Munchhausenesque story, it's hilarious) Obamacare is a free gift to the insurance industry, which they were insturmental in crafting, and this is not their first time on the rodeo. (Hillarycare, the American Enterprise Institute's wacky scheme, Romneycare, and many other similar grifts) They create these hustles periodically, for their own benefit, then oppose thyem (no Brer Fox, don't throw me in that briar patch!) while funding the proponents.

4) "education" Student loans are no more education, than health insurance companies are healthcare.

5) "retarded" Isn't that a NO-NO word?

6)"brainwashed extremists carrying the koch brother's water, like yourself" The what with the who?!? I no more carry water for the koch brothers than you carry ammunition for the taliban

7)"fancy yourselves intellectuals" I fancy myself a farmer. I do style myself The Eternal God-Emperor of The Dominion of Man, but that's a neither here nor there.

"flipping burgers at mcdonalds" I have never flipped burgers at mcdonalds. I did work at Jack in the Box in 1983, but that was just for weed money

9)"kiddo" Oh you flatterer! are you trying to get to second base? Protip: a couple whiskey sours and a couple bong hits might make my dungarees hit the floor, big boy...

 

[UncleBuck]

"brainwashed extremists carrying the koch brother's water, like yourself" The what with the who?!?

"oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rate for individuals and business; and to oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates."

• Any tax hike is unacceptable.​

  
  
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you're carrying their water.

 

[Dr Kynes]

"oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rate for individuals and business; and to oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates."

• Any tax hike is unacceptable.​

  
  
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you're carrying their water.

Wow. Just.... Wow.

If Opposing tax hikes makes me the waterboy for Team Koch, then i really need to reconsider my priorities!

You know who raised taxes, and gave tax money to corporate interests besides Barry Seotoro? Yes, that's right, HITLER! Works both ways. Just because i happen to agree with one portion of somebody's agenda does not make me a co-conspirator in whatever secret cabal you think the Koch Brothers really work for.

I oppose any further increases in the govt's revenue, through taxation, fees, excises, stamps, bake sales, or selling Nancy Pelosi's soiled panties on EBay. My contention is as follows: (buckle your seatbelt, this is a wild and crazy ride!)

The U.S. Federal Government already takes too much money from the people, they should take NO MORE, but instead, balance the budget by cutting spending on every program, agency, entitlement, subsidy, boondoggle, dodge, hustle, crackpot scheme, and foreign adventure!

If i cannot afford to buy weed, i fucking grow some. if i cannot grow any, then i do without. If i cannot afford a new fancy suit, then my coveralls will have to last another year. That's how country boys do math. maybe it's different in the big city, with your fancy college degrees and whatnot, but them Im just a simple hillbilly. why dontcha explain to me how we can keep borrowing more, and spending everything we borrow, then just borrow some more, to feed more spending. It doesn't make sense down here in the bottom 1%, where you have to weigh the pros and cons of payin your auto insurance or paying your vehicle registration. (the answer is fuck them both, if you dont pay the insurance, your registration is supended, and if you dont pay your registration, your insurance doesn't cover you)

 

[UncleBuck]

Wow. Just.... Wow.

If Opposing tax hikes makes me the waterboy for Team Koch, then i really need to reconsider my priorities!

You know who raised taxes, and gave tax money to corporate interests besides Barry Seotoro? Yes, that's right, HITLER! Works both ways. Just because i happen to agree with one portion of somebody's agenda does not make me a co-conspirator in whatever secret cabal you think the Koch Brothers really work for.

I oppose any further increases in the govt's revenue, through taxation, fees, excises, stamps, bake sales, or selling Nancy Pelosi's soiled panties on EBay. My contention is as follows: (buckle your seatbelt, this is a wild and crazy ride!)

The U.S. Federal Government already takes too much money from the people, they should take NO MORE, but instead, balance the budget by cutting spending on every program, agency, entitlement, subsidy, boondoggle, dodge, hustle, crackpot scheme, and foreign adventure!

If i cannot afford to buy weed, i fucking grow some. if i cannot grow any, then i do without. If i cannot afford a new fancy suit, then my coveralls will have to last another year. That's how country boys do math. maybe it's different in the big city, with your fancy college degrees and whatnot, but them Im just a simple hillbilly. why dontcha explain to me how we can keep borrowing more, and spending everything we borrow, then just borrow some more, to feed more spending. It doesn't make sense down here in the bottom 1%, where you have to weigh the pros and cons of payin your auto insurance or paying your vehicle registration. (the answer is fuck them both, if you dont pay the insurance, your registration is supended, and if you dont pay your registration, your insurance doesn't cover you)

i see, you're one of those "revenues don't matter, only spending" people who thinks that the government's budget operates the same as some backwoods plowboy's budget. thanks for clarifying that you're a simpleton.

if the spending ballooned the debt to it's current state, which is manageable (see japan), then explain this:

a handy little side effect of this is burgeoning income inequality, but when did that ever hurt us?

nope, let's not focus on the revenue problem that is leading us into plutocracy, let's instead give the corporate interests on top all the tax breaks they ask for while effectively raising taxes for the rest of us by cutting services!

farm boy logic!

way to godwin the thread, by the way.

 

[Dr Kynes]

i see, you're one of those "revenues don't matter, only spending" people who thinks that the government's budget operates the same as some backwoods plowboy's budget. thanks for clarifying that you're a simpleton.

(cut down for brevity)
way to godwin the thread, by the way.

Somebody had to invoke Godwin, and it might as well be me. at least it wasn't a Fiddy Hiddie.

Charts and graphs are fun, but ignore the facts. Some Mr. Monopoly looking wanker making more money than me is not driving up the national debt. Having tax rates that don't beat the living shit out of anyone who does better than the Govt Approved Maximum Currency Allowance also does not increase the debt. The US govt's insolvency is rooted in exactly the same idiotic thinking and poor math skills that has put california on the shit-heap. The US govt and california both receive more than enough revenue to operate there constitutionally and legislatively required services and agencies. Both entities could easily manage to live inside a budget. They chose not to. The voters of the US and California both allowed them to bankrupt the systems by ignoring the madness in the respective capitols.

Snide comments about plowboy economics aside, perhaps the congress and the state legislature could learn a thing or two from a plowboy. I dont owe anybody a dime. no mortgage, no car payments, not creditcard bills, no debts at all. I like it that way. I know when i get my pay, or sell my crops, every dollar is mine (after the G-men take their cut of nearly 30%) and i choose how to allot it. some savings, some re-investment in equipment, some for various expenses, and some just to piss away. If i decide to start pissing away more every month, then i have to cut back someplace else. If i decide to piss away less, then i can increase funding in another area. That's real plowboy economics. What Washington and Sacramento do, is pay the minimum payment on the mortgage, the credit cards, the doctor bills, the lawyer fees etc... then piss away the rest on bullshit, saving nothing.

Sacramento examples of ridiculous spending, during bankruptcy:

Throwing millions (literally millions, no joke) at the casino billionaires The Maloof Brothers to convince them to keep those perennial losers the Sacramento Kings in Sacramento. So far the nonsense is stalled but that's just an opportunity for the Maloofs to shake the money tree again

Paying an electric car rental startup 2 or 3 million to debut their crappy idea in Davis Ca. with a GUARANTEE of at least 6% profit every year. (thats right, if electric car rental doesnt fly in davis, calif taxpayers get to pay expenses +6% to this private company)

Renaming streets, highways overpasses and bypass roads for whatever feelgood martyr of the week happens to cash in his chips. State and municipal funds throughout the state are wasted re-naming every bridge, pier, and outhouse The ___Your_Favorite_Martyr_of_the_Week_Here___ Memorial Overpass.

Repairing and resurfacing a concrete arch highway bridge over a gorge in southern california but this bridge is not connected to, or even near any road highway or freeway. it's a 2 hour hike through the desert to get to this bridge literally to nowhere. the main use of this bridge? bungee jumpers use it periodically, in violation of state law.

Hiring inspectors to measure the height of the poles and signs marking handicapped parking at every establishment in the state. the sign must be exactly 6 feet above grade, or the owner or operator of the business gets a nice fat fine (protip: the yearly revenue from the fines have never covered the yearly cost of the inspectors, not even once)

Creating administrating and advertising the state lottery (for the schools) but every dollar of lottery funds going to the schools is overmatched by $1.25 in general fund revenue being taken from the school's funding.

the list goes on and on and on. a few country boys (and a few cowgirls too, i aint discrimminatin) could turn the state's finances around in a couple years, but that aint gonna happen. we're too busy prosecuting teenagers with a joint while ignoring 25 illegal aliens being held in slavery (barbed wire, overseers, whips shackles and everything) on southern calif. flower farms to worry about fiscal resposibility.

 

[UncleBuck]

... ignore the facts....

i boiled your long winded reply down to its essence: ignore the facts.

fact is that you are carrying other people's water. you bleat their talking points just like a good useful idiot.

if you're going to ignore that the solution lies in both revenue and spending, well, that's your stupidity, not mine. if you insist that a nation's budget works the same way as a dope dealer in california such as yourself, that's once again your stupidity, not mine.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I dont sell dope. my dope stays with me. Either way, math is math. if you spend more than you take in, either spend less, or take in more. however, it has been proven conclusively, when government takes in more, they spend more, by the same amount, and often, even more.

 

[UncleBuck]

I dont sell dope. my dope stays with me. Either way, math is math. if you spend more than you take in, either spend less, or take in more. however, it has been proven conclusively, when government takes in more, they spend more, by the same amount, and often, even more.

so you're a farmer but cannabis isn't your crop, which leads me to ask what kind of subsidies you are raking in courtesy of uncle sam.

the same math you cite also makes long term borrowing a sustainable possibility given the right conditions. the nation is not your dope portfolio.

 

[Harrekin]

so you're a farmer but cannabis isn't your crop, which leads me to ask what kind of subsidies you are raking in courtesy of uncle sam.

the same math you cite also makes long term borrowing a sustainable possibility given the right conditions. the nation is not your dope portfolio.

Stfu, you don't even have an income...you live off your wife, at least the dude above fucking works for a living you cheese-grabber.

Typical Democrat voter... pays no tax but is an expert at taking and spending other people's money.

 

[UncleBuck]

Stfu, you don't even have an income...you live off your wife, at least the dude above fucking works for a living you cheese-grabber.

Typical Democrat voter... pays no tax but is an expert at taking and spending other people's money.

that must explain why i sent my state a check on top of the taxes i already paid them.

another psychic internet gaylord