Republicans declare war on students!!!

[UncleBuck]

You still haven't said why you want to raise taxes on the rich, instead of lower taxes on the poor.

besides my support for the funding mechanism of this bill, please go find and quote where i said that i want to raise taxes on the rich and not lower taxes on the poor. go ahead now, go do it baby einstein.

i believe you will find that my sentiment is that it is clearly unfair that someone making $20 million pays about half the rate of the guy making $28k a year.

 

[kelly4]

you can't accuse me of playing one man robin hood when i say i want the guy making $20 million to be taxed AT LEAST the same rate i am.

You want them to pay as much as you.
Your words not mine.
If they were mine I would say everyone should pay as little as them.subsidising

But, you've already said you don't mind subsidising stadiums for billionaires. Ya gonna tell me you didn't say that either?

 

[kelly4]

i believe you will find that my sentiment is that it is clearly unfair that someone making $20 million pays about half the rate of the guy making $28k a year.

It is unfair.
We just see differently on how to make it fair.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Dr kynes is right about 99% of what he says. The 1% really fucks up his arguement.


So no Dr Kynes, the government stepping up and giving up collecting student loans from those who can't pay isn't a handout. It's not forcing the population to pay an extortion tax it commited fraud against, promising more bullshit only a few can achieve.

Fishin was a bust, water release from an upstream damn has sent me home so i gotta ask you some questions about this here post.

I did not ever assert that the government should send leg breakers over to an unemployed art history major's house and fuck his shit up, nor did i assert that they should all get even higher rates on loans they already cant pay back. I asserted that the government could (if they actually wanted to do something, which they don't) assume management of these loans themselves, and drop the interest rate to next to nothing, or forgive some loans, or even arrange for re-payment though public works, public service (tutoring at inner city schools perhaps) or military service, using revenues they already have in hand, but simply cutting something else. Just off the top of my head, decommissioning 1 of our 11 aircraft carriers would save well over $125 million a year (source: http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR948/MR948.appj.pdf), or dropping the National Endowment for the Arts, at a savings of $161 million annually (source: http://www.nea.gov/news/news09/2010-nea-budget-request.html). either choice is a tough call, but we dont send representatives to congress or elect presidents to play golf and nail hookers. Cutting the Congress' golf and Hooker budget alone might be enough to solve the issues at question.

Alternately, the feds could END subsidies for new student loans (existing loans would still be extant) and drop it back into the gentle caress of the invisible hand of the market. Too bad subsidized loans for secondary education has become a "right" so eliminating them would be practically impossible.

Most importantly, the program at question is an increase in rates for new Stafford loans (existing loans would be unchanged) from 3% to 6% (still way better than the rate i got on my first pickup truck), not forgiveness for existing loans for people who cant pay them back. Student loans are one of the very few debts that cant be discharged by bankruptcy, and generally are more persistent than herpes (often received around the same time, yes I'm looking at you Chico State University)

 

[UncleBuck]

You want them to pay as much as you.
Your words not mine.
If they were mine I would say everyone should pay as little as them.

my current tax rate is around 4% with the state, 0% federally. i did pay taxes, but i got them all back.

so you fail once again.

i never named any numbers, never said for one to go up or for the other to go down. just that they are in relative parity.

stick it in the dog's butt.

 

[ThatGuy113]

Its our other favorite Ronald


"We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver or less?" - Reagan

 

[kelly4]

my current tax rate is around 4% with the state, 0% federally. i did pay taxes, but i got them all back.

so you fail once again.

i never named any numbers, never said for one to go up or for the other to go down. just that they are in relative parity.

stick it in the dog's butt.

Oh, ok.
You want them to pay what you do, but they already pay at least double. LOL!
Don't get mad at semantics. They're YOUR words. HAHAHA!

 

[Dr Kynes]

damn straight i want some very loose and minimal control of the wealth to keep us from floating into a banana republic plutocracy.

at least you admit that all you have are fox news and rush limbaugh talking points, and no real understanding that an unbridled and unrestrained free market, where all the money is allowed to flow to the top, is a recipe for plutocracy.

i drive through your neck of the woods plenty, all i hear is right wing radio and christian radio. also the occasional country station.

At what point did i "admit" listening to Limbaugh, Fox News or even country music? I dont have to patience for Limbaugh and his bloviating about the minutia of his golf game, cigars and such shit, I dont even own a TV, and as for country music.... *Ahem* well you see, about that... Ummm... See country music is Ummmm... Err,,, Fuck You!! Garth Brooks is a national treasure!!!!

Seriously though, by your "logic" everyone in San Francisco is a leather-clad predatory homosexual, everyone in LA is an out of work actor, and everyone in New York must be a jewish puerto rican itialian mafia boss standup comedian who's life is set to a laugh-track under studio lights.

The fundamental problem with your ideology is this: at some point, you can become TOO successful, and then the government must take most of your extraneous, surplus wealth away so other people can achieve the dream of Federally Approved Maximum Income Status as defined by Uncle Buck. I hold a different opinion, Everybody should be taxed at the same rate, regardless of how much you make, and that tax should be the MINIMUM posssible to fund the government's legitimate expenses, and put 2% or so into a Treasury (which the US hasnt had since the days of Andrew Jackson) which can them be saved for eventualities such as hurricanes, earthquakes, wars, alien invasions and Uncle Buck postings. you know, shit that bankrupts the country.