The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread

Bird Gymnastics

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May I at least suggest Smart Pots rather than the 9.5" square ones. Im very interested in these autopots though... I like easy bongsmilie
Smart pots are good but round. Square pots fit perfectly in my set up that is why I run them. I have mixed feelings abut smart pots but maybe I should give them another try since before I only used soil. Now seeing how coco up takes water I am curious to see how the autopots will work with a drain to waste.
 

AzCannaMan

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Smart pots are good but round. Square pots fit perfectly in my set up that is why I run them. I have mixed feelings abut smart pots but maybe I should give them another try since before I only used soil. Now seeing how coco up takes water I am curious to see how the autopots will work with a drain to waste.
They say a smart pot is equal to double side plastic pot though, so a 2gal smart pot is like a 4 gal regular pot. Jberry seems to love them with coco, in fact he said something like" anything over a 2gal smartpot is a waste with coco". I already bought a bunch of 2 gal smartpots to run with 100% Canna Coco. All this shit is just begging me to use it lol, cant wait to start the coco run. But the Autopots sound so easy I may have to bail at the last minute for less pain in the ass factors lol

The only thing i dont like about the Autopots is it seems to limit you to running certain numbers per autopot system...
 

Bird Gymnastics

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I can see how a smart pot can achieve that because of its ability to "air prune" the roots? Correct me if I am wrong bongsmilie I think I am just dialed into plastic pots...I will post pics of two white fires, one is a 2 gal smartpot and one in my 9.5" square plastic pot, each getting the same amount of light (under t5 for veg) and you will see the difference. I am up to the thought though about smart pots working "perfectly" with coco. I just feel I will have to be in there constantly watering. I hand water my plants as I feel automated water systems have never satisfied my needs :)
 

AzCannaMan

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I can see how a smart pot can achieve that because of its ability to "air prune" the roots? Correct me if I am wrong bongsmilie I think I am just dialed into plastic pots...I will post pics of two white fires, one is a 2 gal smartpot and one in my 9.5" square plastic pot, each getting the same amount of light (under t5 for veg) and you will see the difference. I am up to the thought though about smart pots working "perfectly" with coco. I just feel I will have to be in there constantly watering. I hand water my plants as I feel automated water systems have never satisfied my needs :)
Yes your right about the air pruning, and the roots dont circle the bottom of the pot like a plastic pot.

As far as extra watering i have not tried them with coco yet but I have found they get wet which seems to help keep the media moist a bit longer... Prob about the same as a plastic pot there i think

I feel ya on the automatic watering thing. Thats why the autopots sound soo cool. Exactly what I want - AUTOmated lol
 

nas2007

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Personally I've only used auto pot ever. I used it with soil and didn't like it at all. I'd love to see how you do it man. "if you build it, they will come." :) I'm going this weekend to buy 3 more 3x3 tables, 12 bags of coco and about 48 more 9.5in square pots...let me see these auto pots before I make a rash decision lol

Im all over it, link? Autopots sound so easy, setting up this drip/drain to waste system is going to be a pain in the ass.
May I at least suggest Smart Pots rather than the 9.5" square ones. Im very interested in these autopots though... I like easy bongsmilie
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/527965-autopots-canna-coco.html#post7427356

there you go boys ;) . the only reason i'm using autopots coz i'm so lazy, from my research autopots do 70% of the work for you!!! which is just perfect for me, more time to get high of my own supply ;)

I am looking for a good calcium nutrient for flowering and I can't get calplex anymore, does anyone know of a good alternative?
grotek cal-max and calmag is good
 

PUKKA BUD

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Hi peeps see you lot like the smart pots you ever thought about air-pots with coco, they work wonders, even 1ltrs perform amazin ive even veg'd an flowered a plant in 1 start to finish an got 2oz from it, most of the time i use 6ltr airpots thats as big as you need to go really with weed plants unless your grwin 6ft trees,

heres a thread about them theres some crackin pics of airpot grows an info check it out

Airpots Club
 

nas2007

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Hi peeps see you lot like the smart pots you ever thought about air-pots with coco, they work wonders, even 1ltrs perform amazin ive even veg'd an flowered a plant in 1 start to finish an got 2oz from it, most of the time i use 6ltr airpots thats as big as you need to go really with weed plants unless your grwin 6ft trees,

heres a thread about them theres some crackin pics of airpot grows an info check it out

Airpots Club
easy feller, long time! hows it going, need to see you more around this thread!!!
 
I use autopots and love them..I have the airdomes on the bottom of each pot..I highly recommend and really gettinga good oxygen supply to the resevoir. You can run multiple auto pot trays off one resevoir..just splice the feeder lines with 2-4 etc splicers ..Also if you are going to run them I highly recommend making your mix really light..You basically have your roots sitting in a pool of water (hence the airdomes) :) So what happens is your plants make a capillary mat basically to feed off the bottom tray. A couple of things I have found to wary off...1. DO NOT fill resevoir for the aqua valve for atleast 2 weeks..the plants can't drink it fast enough..no fault of the aqua valves..just what it is..also if you have to water them always water into the bottom of the tray i/e bottom watering since is the way their water roots will be feeding once you fill the resevoir...you get saturated medium..2 Medium choice is huge..atleast 50 percent perilite and whatever else you use. I mix mine 50/50 (60-40 even) perilite FFOF..I haven't tried coco yet but I imagine I will at some point..If you start of right in them they really do make for an easy grow. Also I run my airdomes in the pots from day one..I love mine..here is a pic..
 

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ChronicClouds

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anybody figure out how to make boost or something close to it? I've heard it's a vegan tea, but I know it doesn't cost a 100$ per liter to make. any help?
 

AzCannaMan

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anybody figure out how to make boost or something close to it? I've heard it's a vegan tea, but I know it doesn't cost a 100$ per liter to make. any help?
Dude, im making a concoction of my own to sub for the boost and let me tell you its THE SHIT!! House & Garden Bud XL & a sweetener of your choice. H&G is made by one of the ex lead scientist of Canna who split off and made H&G. The Bud XL is cheaper than a bastard compared to the Boost, only like 60 for 1L at my local hydro store & you only use 3.8 ml a gal (1ml per L) Mix that with a sweetener and you've never seen fatter cylaxes! Ill try to post up some pics... some are so fat they are totally round like a beach ball... Fucking bad ass :blsmoke:bongsmilie:eyesmoke:

And since you can use a sweetener of your choice it leaves many flavor options open (grape, berry, etc) or just something plain like black strap molasses or Botanicare Raw.
 

PUKKA BUD

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How do peeps i rock the canna an love it, used there boost a couple of time i found foliar feedin worked best with it an made it go a lot thurther cos it is pricey but still loolkin to change things up defo thinkin bout the bud xl also i want a try some sweetners in coco see if i can improve flavour what have you lot tried an recommend? cheers
 

nas2007

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How do peeps i rock the canna an love it, used there boost a couple of time i found foliar feedin worked best with it an made it go a lot thurther cos it is pricey but still loolkin to change things up defo thinkin bout the bud xl also i want a try some sweetners in coco see if i can improve flavour what have you lot tried an recommend? cheers
i use bud xl and would recommend it, its cheap and works good used it with bud xl and pk 13/14, next round will use it with overdrive to,
 

puffenuff

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How do peeps i rock the canna an love it, used there boost a couple of time i found foliar feedin worked best with it an made it go a lot thurther cos it is pricey but still loolkin to change things up defo thinkin bout the bud xl also i want a try some sweetners in coco see if i can improve flavour what have you lot tried an recommend? cheers
i use bud xl and would recommend it, its cheap and works good used it with bud xl and pk 13/14, next round will use it with overdrive to,
I foliar feed with boost for the first couple weeks, then mix it in with the rest of my nutes till harvest along with pk13/14 mid bloom, topped off with overdrive last two weeks. The overdrive works great but next time I'm going to switch the overdrive for m.o.a.b. and see if the less expensive product works just as well.
 

AzCannaMan

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Use the Bud XL WITH a sweetner. The BUD XL makes the plants bracts which transport sugars continue to function (According to H&G normally this will cease once flower production begins) So the Bud XL allows the sugars to be transported VIA the bracts it keeps open and the sugars... Well you have to add them to get transported right? If there are no sugars then what exactly will be transported through the bracts?
 

PUKKA BUD

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Use the Bud XL WITH a sweetner. The BUD XL makes the plants bracts which transport sugars continue to function (According to H&G normally this will cease once flower production begins) So the Bud XL allows the sugars to be transported VIA the bracts it keeps open and the sugars... Well you have to add them to get transported right? If there are no sugars then what exactly will be transported through the bracts?

what sweetners have you used mate?
 

puffenuff

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H&G is made by one of the ex lead scientist of Canna who split off and made H&G
I heard that too but when word of that was going around a couple years ago I got an email from canna's newsletters and it basically denied that and labeled it as a false rumor. Wonder if I still havethat email saved, if I remember correctly they didn't mention h&g by name but it was obvious who they were referring to.
 

puffenuff

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Found the email, apologies for the long comment but figured i'd post the whole thing for anyone interestedin reading it in its entirety. It was sent back in july 2011:

Dear CANNA Website Member,

For a while now we notice there are rumors being spread about CANNA and our products in regards to competitors and their products. With this email we would like to give you more information.

The rumors regard competitive companies that imply to have a connection with CANNA. Either by being affiliated or having collaborated with CANNA in different ways. This is by NO means true!

To enervate these rumors we wrote an article that gives an insight in our company. The article will be published in our magazine CANNATalk # 14. We didn’t want our CANNA website members to have to wait for that publication so below you’ll find a preview of the article in advance.

We hope this gives you clarity about what is true and what is not. For further questions or comments please contact us at [email protected].

CANNA...what’s true and what’s not?

Preview article CANNATalk #14

The hydroponic market is one that is booming. The plain logic: new products and new companies rise or enter the market every day it seems. This gives growers around the globe the choice to find a company or product that fits him or her best. On the flip side, the hydroponic market is also one that is filled with confusion, misconception, rumors and unfortunately lies. In that regard we wish to create a little clearance about CANNA.

For a while now we notice there is some confusion about CANNA. The main reason seems to be that competitors claim to have a connection with CANNA. Or even try to make people believe that CANNA itself spreads the word to have a connection with other (Dutch) companies. This by NO means is true!

Some of the fairytales you might have heard include: owners of competitive companies have founded and developed CANNA or designed CANNA nutrients and then started their own company. They say CANNA does not have their own facilities and that they are the ones who bottle the CANNA products. CANNA is the same product as theirs or an older formula of their “better” product. There’s even a story about CANNA just being a marketing department of one competitor and so on. These companies also try to make people believe they are big(ger) or even the leading scientists in Holland/Europe, after all, who will check whether that’s true? And on top of that, if these companies choose to pack their products in bottles similar to CANNA’s, we understand these lies all may sound very believable to people but again none of them are true.

Since these companies don’t officially claim such a thing in (published) media or documentation we will not mention the company names involved at this point. All of these false claims seem like a sales pitch and might not even be instructed by the companies’ upper management. Still, the word seems to be travelling and there will always be people believing nonsense without doubt.

Although we feel kind of flattered, it turned from a good laugh into a more serious, unfair and above all untruthful way of conducting business. As CANNA is a company strongly believing in honesty being the best policy and chooses that as their way of conducting business, with grower’s interests at heart we hate for them to fall victim to others and their untruthfulness. To enervate rumors we would like to tell a little bit more about our company and products.

True Research

CANNA is owned by its founders up to this very day. They are the ones who build this company and made it the worldwide success it now is. Opposite to what many companies only claim, CANNA is just one of the few within the industry that truly has its own research department located on multiple locations in several countries in Europe and North America. This enabled CANNA to design all of the CANNA products in our own laboratory and test the products over and over again in our own test facilities across the world before bringing it to the market.

Pioneer

CANNA is proud of its pioneering role within the hydroponics market. When CANNA developed CANNA COCO as a growing medium it shocked the market. Only few people were used to growing on coco at that time and were limited to growing solely on coco bricks. CANNA introduced the loose fill to the market, in combination with CANNA COCO nutrients that were specially designed for the characteristics of CANNA COCO medium, a perfect match! Nowadays growing in coco is very popular, it concurs (and often beats) the traditional growing in soil culture. Nonetheless, CANNA was the first to bring it to the retail market.

Product Development

There are people who think CANNA hardly introduces new products. We often hear this comment and the truth is we do launch new products but, only if they are consistent with our current products. In other words, only if they are truly useful for the grower and the product range we already offer. A fair deal we would say. After all, it’s about quality not quantity. Nonetheless, there seems to be an unstoppable demand for new products and especially additives. Instead of just quickly filling the need for that demand we choose to only launch a new product when we strongly believe in it, it has been tested numerous times and growers will experience better results with it.

One of our last introductions was CANNABOOST (2007). Please send any (negative) comment on it to [email protected]. So far we’ve received zero negative feedback responses from the huge and increasingly knowledgeable crowd of (indoor) growers around the world. Another confirmation that our extensive research is worth the patience and price of the product. We know CANNABOOST is costly but the results are in line with what you pay for the product. Besides, with other brands you often need several products to obtain the result CANNABOOST gives you in 1 bottle.

We also believe in improvement. And with the ability to keep testing our products, the feedback we get from the market and the experience we gain over time we are able to keep enhancing already good products like we did with CANNAZYM in 2010. It is easy to claim a product is new and improved. But to discover a totally new way of making the product work even better is something else.

Together with the New & Improved CANNAZYM we also updated our Do-It-Yourself test which is a tool to test the active enzymes in any enzyme product. If you want to have tangible proof about the quality of your enzyme product, do this test! It will also show you the differences between CANNA’s and competitors’ products. (Go to www.cannagardening.com/cannazym and watch the clip that shows you how to perform the test).

Future

Although we pride ourselves in doing the proper research & development we also acknowledge a sincere and true demand for several type of products that we don’t have in our range yet but could be of direct added value for the grower. Often this is related to (slight) changes in growing techniques and growing cultures over many years. We are honestly working on product development 24/7. At the right time, we will launch the right products and you can count on the quality, consistency and a genuine purpose of the product. After all, Quality proves itself!

Until that time, don’t be fooled by make believe Robin Hood stories...
 
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