Isn't Homosexuality Abnormal?

[UncleBuck]

I'm not a Bible Thumper. Nor Have I ever been. I try to see the universe as it is. NOT as it's seen by right-wing Christians. NOR as it's seen by left-wing liberals. RATHER, as it IS...

and that involves mother nature having wants and intentions.

lol keep trying bro.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't think my arguments have been refuted at all.

you refuted yourself when you posited that mother nature has wants and intentions.

are you all of 17 years old? 14?

 

[Heisenberg]

I don't think my arguments have been refuted at all. Rather, I think your reactions are knee-jerk in nature, much like the fundamentalist Christians you loathe...you are no different than them...you just "dog mate" about different things than they do.

Ah yes, and now the false dilemma. Why are you the one resorting to cheap debate tricks?

I have seen you ignore much of the counter to your position, and discount the rest based on ad hominem grounds. This is what we call dogmatic. Your position is entirely without intellectual merit, supported only by hollow logic and dubious tactics.

 

[tharoomman]

I don't really think its any of our business what two connecting adults want to do in the privacy of their own home or what not.

 

[tharoomman]

Wanna know whats disturbing to me? That so many people care about it. Such a big ordeal over things that plays NO part in any of our lives. So sad about NC. Knew thats how the cards were gonna fall though.

 

[Padawanbater2]

The only thing you've proven is that you can forge someone's response.

Not sure if you can call it that when it's got "Last edited by: Padawanbater2" at the bottom, regardless, you didn't deserve the pseudo-respect it brought you anyway.

You've failed on such epic proportions at this point, I can't imagine anyone who will take you seriously from now on.

Have a pleasant stay.

I don't really think its any of our business what two connecting adults want to do in the privacy of their own home or what not.

The retards obstructing progress would counter that with "THE CHILDRENZ!" or "the moral fabric of society will be destroyed if the gaaaaaaays can marry!" or "I'm just repressing my own sexual urges and if I see someone else do exactly what I'm doing inside my head 356 days of the year I won't be able to control myself! I'll need that big cock!". They feel it is their business because it happens within the society they live. Yeah, terrible logic I know, but you're going to be disappointed if you're expecting anything resembling logic to come out of the homophobe camp..

 

[mindphuk]

Well, I wish you hadn’t told me that you have a doctorate. Because I actually respected you before that, even if I did disagree with you. But now you’ve lost my respect completely.

It does mean that I have completed extensive study into my field of biology. I never asked you to respect me but I asked you to listen to the knowledge I believe I can deliver on this particular subject.

I have a degree in math and computer science. And I work as a Computer Engineer. Nothing to brag about, I know. But my supervisor has a doctorate in computer science. And I have to almost daily correct her in basic programming algorithms. She has great oratorical prowess, much like you; and she writes wonderfully complex papers (I’ve read them) and uses long sentences and big words, much like you.

But much like you, she is full of herself and has to be corrected by “peons” like me all the time. Doctors of Philosophy generally teach because they cannot do.

I am not a teacher, I actually work for a living. If you really believe that everyone gets advanced degrees for the same reasons and we all sit up in ivory towers, you are a fucking idiot. I don't know how computer science works but AFAIK, getting a doctorate there does not mean you have programming skills above or beyond a 14 year old hacker but I will tell you an advanced degree in one of the hard sciences usually is more a matter of specialization. We get to know are specific area of science very well.

Do yourself a favor in the future and refrain from mentioning your doctorate to strangers or new acquaintances, if you want to command their respect.

If you re-read my post, I did not post it to command respect, in fact I usually refrain from posting information about myself here in these forums but I did so because you seem to be arguing a point that,
a) you have never provided any evidence that you are right, you have merely made this assertion that you think everyone knows is self-evident
b) I personally deal with natural selection on a daily basis where I'm sure you are like most people and have had only a couple of courses which are entirely insufficient to understand much of the details and are probably not familiar with current works on the subject

I brought it up to be helpful and to let you know that I am not just some random internet guy trying to correct your misunderstanding of such a complex issue of sex in evolution.

To answer your questions:

1. OF COURSE, a chimpanzee can’t tell whether he’s had a vasectomy or not, so it wouldn’t serve to lessen his desire for sex. But cut his balls off, Mr. p.HD., and he would completely lose his desire to have sex.

So you admit that the vehicle for the genes, the chimp, does not care whether or not he is passing along genes, he just has some innate desire to have sex.
Good. We can agree on that

1. No male cares whether his super-model girlfriend is on the pill or not, as far as his genetically-controlled animalistic desires are concerned. The desire to procreate is not mindful; it’s physical.

Again, you agree that this innate desire to breed and pass along genes is actually controlled by a desire to have sex, not an actual desire to make children. Because if it were a desire to make children, the sterility would be a factor that decreases attractiveness or desire to mate.

Don’t you see what I mean about your doctorate blinding you and serving as an indicator that you are useless to real-world science?

If you stop insulting me, I will continue to try to teach you.

So we have established that animals, including humans, do not have a primary drive to have children but to have sex. Genes OTOH, are concerned with passing themselves down through successive generations, but cannot control this directly so they use tricks to make the vehicle in which they find themselves more likely than not to pass them along. They give human males a strong sex drive to breed with as many females as possible. Our genes have other tricks too like making us react to babies as cute and instill some desire to have one but those things are far less effective than the brute force attack of fucking everything in sight. Woman OTOH, have less time and a limited supply of genetic material do have more instinctual desires to have children than men, but they are also less intense than the desire to have sex. However, since we are primarily talking about gay men, then it stands to reason that they have no more desire to procreate than you are I do but the genes that code for sexual urges are still working fine.

 

[mindphuk]

Interesting article
http://www.adherents.com/misc/paradoxEvolution.html

 

[polyarcturus]

well i dont know where this thread is going but sex for pleasure is normal, and but stricly homosexual behavior is abnormal, since the drive to procreate also exists. in nature animale will have sex with the both genders for fun, but mainly have sex with females for both reasons often times animals will not show homosexual behavior if there is a large female to male ratio. there are a lot of studys on this. srictly same gender sex is abnormal usually exact through extreme circumstances. bisexual behavior is normal. all gay men that have sex with men only are lieng to themselves they still have the drive to procreat, why do you think they adopt? same thing with females all they want is a finger a tongue whatever as long as it sticks em in way they like!


on another note as a man i am dominate and prefer to stick it in rather than get stuck, so i dont go out of my way to have sex with men(why would i?!?!plenty of women, i want kids and i dont want shit on dick daily ect), also women are overall a more attractive creature then men.

 

[mindphuk]

well i dont know where this thread is going but sex for pleasure is normal, and but stricly homosexual behavior is abnormal, since the drive to procreate also exists.

 

[UncleBuck]

well i dont know where this thread is going but sex for pleasure is normal, and but stricly homosexual behavior is abnormal, since the drive to procreate also exists. in nature animale will have sex with the both genders for fun, but mainly have sex with females for both reasons often times animals will not show homosexual behavior if there is a large female to male ratio. there are a lot of studys on this. srictly same gender sex is abnormal usually exact through extreme circumstances. bisexual behavior is normal. all gay men that have sex with men only are lieng to themselves they still have the drive to procreat, why do you think they adopt? same thing with females all they want is a finger a tongue whatever as long as it sticks em in way they like!


on another note as a man i am dominate and prefer to stick it in rather than get stuck, so i dont go out of my way to have sex with men(why would i?!?!plenty of women, i want kids and i dont want shit on dick daily ect), also women are overall a more attractive creature then men.

it's funny how the people that call homosexuality abnormal rather than uncommon always make an allusion to anal sex somewhere in their post.

uncanny.

 

[Padawanbater2]

What it always boils down to is "it's icky!"... really.. I thought people were a little more mature than that shit.

I think these kinds of people were just extremely sheltered or lived in really conservative places or something, that's my best guess. Who cares What you think is icky and what gives you the right to dictate how others behave based on that abstract, intangible, subjective bullshit? Are you retarded? Because I think you're retarded. If I gave you a test and all you had to do to pass it was write your name correctly across the top, you'd fail that because that's how retarded you are. I think mayonnaise is icky, the fuck with your sandwich, put that shit down, you can't have it anymore. See how retarded that is and you are for somehow thinking that's the correct way to live?

Those people are little kids trapped in shells of an older person.

 

[Darwin Riddle]

There are actually a great ratio of homosexual men who don't engage in anal sex....and plenty of heterosexual people have anal sex. I guess that just means that some people like it and some people don't. I still don't see why, you guys, are still talking about this and giving Wiley the gay attention that he is looking for.

 

[Padawanbater2]

If you want to troll, every thread you open will be closed and subsequently deleted in this subforum.

Count on it.