Congress Moves To Stop DEA Funding To Attack Medical Marijuana Patients & Care Givers

[MellowFarmer]

Hmmmmmmmm...... what would they know about it?

Why don't you rewatch the Norway clip and tell us what is so scary?

 

[Mr Neutron]

Why don't you rewatch the Norway clip and tell us what is so scary?

I don't have the bandwidth for videos. I'm supposed to, 6Mbs but right now it's around 0.8 Mbs.
Anywho, I looked up all those countries and not one of them was described as socialist, so I wondered what they would know about it.

 

[InCognition]

Hmmmm... I can see where some might lend that opinion but it's not a fair assumption. I didn't start out running businesses, I started as a cashier at Micky D's making $4.25 and I used the theories from the classroom and integrated them with my hands on experience to great success when I worked on up to Decision Maker. I learned simple theories like Happy Workers make Productive workers and a good Manager is like a good Coach who seeks out the teams individual strenghts and weaknesses then blends them back together to make it run smoothly. I learned the pyschology of motivating staff members. I also learned about Overhead, what Non Profits are, Law and other needless odds and ends? I find if funny that these theories are so foriegn to those in the Business Real World that I have to prove them to use them which is why I can say I know my theories work, I've had to prove them to those too arrogant to get business training before joining the Business Real World.

Every one I know is living Day to Day. So are most businesses. They will stay in business for years in a bad economy working tirelessly just to stay out of the red and won't quit until they can't dig out of it. A lot of them.

What you said about Non Profits is Hogwash. CNN just aired a story on some Disabled Vets one getting in 56 Mil and spending none but it is on CNN because it is News, not an every day occurance.

Ask the residents of Norway, Sweden, Holland, New Zealand, Canada etc how much of a fallacy Socialism is.

A real business-blooded person doesn't need a classroom to teach them business, that's all I'm saying. Sure it can help, but it's not efficient in the least.

The thing I said about non-profits is only hogwash if you're regarding subsidized non-profits. They don't need to stay a float because no matter how deep in the red they are, they will continue to run off the backs of tax payers... which is just another nail in the coffin for socialism. Some system that is...

You can talk about all the currently standing socialistic countries you want, and it won't change the fact that plenty of socialistic nations have imploded, due to their socialistic procedures. Beyond that, don't even get me started on the current socialistic nations that blatantly violate human rights to some degree or another, in the name of "socialism". Until socialism can accomplish something without violating rights, it will always be a fallacy, no matter how much you want to believe it's not a fallacy.

If you are oblivious as to how socialism violates human rights, well that just further proves my point, that socialists are blind people walking, with their eyes wide open.

 

[MellowFarmer]

A real business-blooded person doesn't need a classroom to teach them business, that's all I'm saying. Sure it can help, but it's not efficient in the least.

The thing I said about non-profits is only hogwash if you're regarding subsidized non-profits. They don't need to stay a float because no matter how deep in the red they are, they will continue to run off the backs of tax payers... which is just another nail in the coffin for socialism. Some system that is...

You can talk about all the currently standing socialistic countries you want, and it won't change the fact that plenty of socialistic nations have imploded, due to their socialistic procedures. Beyond that, don't even get me started on the current socialistic nations that blatantly violate human rights to some degree or another, in the name of "socialism". Until socialism can accomplish something without violating rights, it will always be a fallacy, no matter how much you want to believe it's not a fallacy.

If you are oblivious as to how socialism violates human rights, well that just further proves my point, that socialists are blind people walking, with their eyes wide open.

Many states have laws I consider violations of human rights. The Death Penalty, The Hole, Anti Abortion crap, making kids listen to religious BS... states that I consider ignorant laws, Paper's Please in AZ ... and the Feds seem to think torture is fucking cool...
the 'Socialist' nations you refer to are as Socialist as Russia was Communist or we are a Democracy, they only say they are, they certainly practice none of it and are a stupid stupid thing to point to when trying to shit on Socialism because they don't follow what the original Socialists decided was Socialism therefore pointing out Dictatorships and their obvious flaws doesn't say shit about Socialism now does it?

How's that Post Office been treating you lately? It's run entirely by the Feds just as a Socialist nation would have it. It doesn't lose money, ever. Remember the Airlines before Deregulation? They were pretty nice, eh? Airlines flew into smaller airports and never changed their prices, the employees were paid decent and no one spent an entire day trapped in a tiny Airplane on a Ramp with no way of getting off or making the plane take off. Or the Energy companies before their Deregulation? Enron greedy fucks ring a bell? And that was extreme, what about every day assuming the position for your local energy corporation since they were allowed the freedom to rape us merrily. OH, do you live where it snows ten months out of the year? Great! You must freeze or pay our monopoly's inflated rates. OH, do you live where the temperature rarely drops below 100? Great! You must Overheat or pay our monopoly's inflated rates. How is THAT freedom for anyone but the rich greedy fucks?

 

[MacGuyver4.2.0]

is it too much for me to ask you to support your claims with evidence?

or do you not have any clear evidence?

c'mon, just give me some examples. so far everyone else i've asked has blanked me on the critical issue of actual evidence.

Even though I have better things to do, I thought I would post one such 'example' you asked for. I can post dozens more, but really do have better things to do with my valuable time. Everyone else here seems to know that legal patients, collectives and dispensaries ARE being targeted and shut down, but you don't.


[h=2]DEA Agent Implicated In Marijuana Trial Records Theft[/h]From Tokeofthetown

FederalJack.com

By Eugene Davidovich
San Diego Americans for Safe Access


San Diego District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis presses on with the state trial of a medical marijuana patient in full compliance with California law -- even after the feds refuse to prosecute and court records show the federal Drug Enforcement Administration's involvement in theft of attorney-client records.


Twelve jurors and two alternates were selected on Wednesday in Department 27 of San Diego Superior Court, officially starting the criminal trial of Dexter Padilla, a Navy veteran, medical marijuana patient and president of Therapeutic Healing, a San Diego-based non profit medical marijuana coop.


According to court records, it all started on June 17, 2010 when DEA agent Beau Bilek led a raid on the offices of the Redwood Law Group after his requests for a search warrant were denied by the Mendocino County Superior Court. President of the law firm raided that day was Mark Wuerfel, the business attorney representing Therapeutic Healing, the collective of which Padilla is president.


The trial brief submitted by defense attorney Michael J. McCabe this week states that on June 17, 2010 Agent Bilek "looted privileged attorney-client files", as well as data from the law firm's computers including information about the different medical marijuana patients and coops the firm represented.

Indybay

Eugene Davidovich of the San Diego chapter of Americans for Safe Access (SD ASA) wrote this article

After the raid, the Mendocino County Court actually intervened and ordered the DEA to return the stolen property as well as instructed the Mendocino County District Attorney's Office to help retrieve the records from the DEA.


Still, the agency refused and only returned two of the original four stolen boxes.


Privileged information obtained from the unlawful raid on the attorney's office, including the fact that Wuerfel represented a collective named Therapeutic Healing in San Diego, was distributed to various DEA offices throughout the state. In San Diego, cross-sworn DEA Agent Paxton picked up the case and began shopping it around for prosecution.


On January 27, 2011 -- six months after Bilek stole the records -- Padilla was arrested by Paxton.


The investigation leading up to Padilla's arrest yielded zero evidence of criminal activity and proved quite the opposite. It showed Therapeutic Healing was operating in strict and unambiguous compliance with all state laws.


Padilla hired Wuerful as the coop's general counsel, paid all the required taxes, and hired a tax attorney and CPA to ensure the coop's financial records were all properly kept and in compliance with the law.

Hillcrest

After the feds wouldn't prosecute Padilla in federal court, San Diego District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis happily picked up the case

After Paxton failed to convince the U.S. Attorney's office to prosecute Padilla in federal court he appealed to Dumanis' office which has a long standing record of chipping away at the State's medical marijuana program through prosecutions of legitimate patients. Dumanis' office happily picked up the case.


When Padilla was originally notified of the charges against him, his attorney's immediately scheduled a time and sat down with the D.A. and opened up all the coop's records for examination. They showed all the taxes paid, the board meeting notes, sales receipts, and business records.


According to the defense, every single request made by the prosecution for information, documents and evidence about Therapeutic Healing and Padilla was voluntarily provided by the defense.


The law requires that prosecutors, prior to filing charges, evaluate whether a defendant should be charged with the crimes at all. In the case of Padilla, the D.A. refused to consider all the evidence of compliance and along with the DEA failed to provide any explanation for the continuing prosecution of Padilla, even after overwhelming evidence was provided by the defense establishing immunity from prosecution.


The DEA's behavior in this case as well as the refusal of the San Diego D.A.'s office to review all the evidence proves that this prosecution is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt by the DEA to promote its federal goals of undermining the State law and sanctioned medical marijuana programs.


As a result of this bias-driven effort to eradicate medical marijuana from California and continued effort to chip away at patient's rights, it is now necessary for the court and a jury to do what should have been done previously by the prosecution in finding that Padilla is not guilty of committing the alleged criminal acts being asserted by them.


The trial is being held in Department 27 of San Diego Superior Court.


The attorneys have called a press conference for Friday, May 18, 2012 at 8:15am in front of the Hall of Justice, 330 West Broadway, San Diego, California.


San Diego Americans for Safe Access

 

[UncleBuck]

us attorney generals refuse to take the case, no one has been prosecuted.

say what now? better march out those "dozens" of other "cases".

 

[MellowFarmer]

Fuck You Bonnie DumbAss who takes Fucking costisol for her pain and must wreak havick on innocent Sick folks and those who try to help Sick People so that Fear, what she needs like Vampires blood to walk among decent folks I hope you Sanders thats whole fucking Board drowns off Dog Beach while Golden shit so on you

 

[MellowFarmer]

God damn auto correct! I want all you thieving whores to drown in the toxic dump waters of Dog Beach so my Golden may takes a big fucking shit on you
evil fucks

 

[MacGuyver4.2.0]

you are aware that the policy of the administration is to target individuals NOT in compliance with state laws, right?

i mean, i'm just quoting the holder memo on that.[/QUOTE]


You can quote the Holder memo all you want, but everyone elese here knows it's a flat out lie. And the issue as stated by yourself above, does not have to include victims who were actually prosecuted by any U.S. Attorney General....if they are forced to close by the FEDERAL Government under the local jurisdiction of the STATE Attorney General, then they (the government) are guilty as charged. They are clearly targeting everyone whether state 'legal' or not!

Here's one from just this March 5th 2012 that says that even Colorado based Dispensaries that were LEGAL by the laws of the state, were threatened and forced to close by the federal government. Oh, and thanks for trying to refute a statement that doesn't even apply to your agrument- the more eyes that see all these attrocities the better!


U.S. Attorney in Colorado Says All State-Licensed Medical Marijuana Dispensaries Are Fair Game
Jacob Sullum | March 5, 2012

John Walsh, the U.S. attorney for Colorado, finally has clarified which medical marijuana providers in that state should worry about trouble with the feds: all of them. Two months ago Walsh told 23 dispensaries located within 1,000 feet of a school they had to close or face raids, forfeiture, and prosecution. At least some of those dispensaries were complying with Colorado law, which has a general rule against operating within 1,000 feet of a school but allows local governments to modify that restiction and grandfathers dispensaries that existed before the state started issuing licenses. So it was already clear that Walsh, contrary to Attorney General Holder's repeated assurances on this point, was not prepared to let state law determine whether a dispensary can operate without federal harassment. But when it turned out that one of those 23 dispensaries was near a school building that was not used for teaching, it was taken off the list. That decision fanned the hope that Walsh would stick to enforcing his 1,000-foot rule. Last week, A.P. reports, Walsh stomped on that hope (emphasis added):

U.S. Attorney John Walsh sent a letter Friday to a lawyer representing medical marijuana dispensaries, saying safe harbor doesn't exist for such shops because marijuana remains illegal under federal law....

Walsh said in the new letter that it is at his office's discretion to take enforcement action against any and all medicinal marijuana dispensaries....

[Walsh said] advising clients that there is a safe harbor is "incorrect and untruthful, and would mislead them, factually and legally."

Jeff Dorschner, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office, said there are other factors that can close down shops like unlawful use or possession of a firearm and having amounts of marijuana not in compliant with state and local law....

Dorschner said it's not possible to answer whether a shop in compliance with state rules and regulations and not located near a school would still face any trouble.

It's true, of course, that marijuana is prohibited for all uses by the federal Controlled Substances Act and that, under Gonzales v. Raich, U.S. attorneys have the authority to prosecute people who supply marijuana to patients, even in states that, like Colorado, explicitly allow such distribution. What Holder (and his boss) promised was that federal prosecutors would nevertheless use their discretion to avoid a conflict between the federal ban and state policy. One searches Walsh's position in vain for any hint of such forbearance.

 

[MellowFarmer]

I need to continue my rant, thank you for your patience.

Mayor fucking Sanders was voted out in '05 but when you run the place you get to make the rules, a write in candidate who didn't even want to be a candidate got her name written down more than Mr. Sander's got his circled but San Diego's fine education forgot to teach them to read the directions so Donna got her name written the most but less circles. Sanders said it was because everyone wanted to see a freakin list of ALL the candidates before they decided not to circle any god damn one.

Meanwhile half the city council was being indicted and voted in again. The Board of freakin Supervisors sues the state over the legality of Prop 215 and when the Judge said in so many words it was the stupidest easist case he's judged they fought it all the way to the Supreme Court. City tax dollars spent fighting State tax dollars then even the Feds laughed at em in their supreme court.

A fellow great Activist, Rudy for anyone out there, got his home invaded by military style police and murdered his 6 plants and arrested his ass. WHY? besides the fact he is a great Activist? He uses those plants to make a Cannabis Salve because it is the only relief he has from the 3rd degree burns covering his whole body. Try fighting a BS fight against the Poster Child of why you should leave cannabis patients alone bonnie dumb fucking ass! That's were I left So Cal and many other treachorous deeds that should get all them white collar greedy thieving fucks a one way do not pass go and collect $200 straight to our newest torture camp where ever THEY have it hidden these days!

 

[UncleBuck]

you are aware that the policy of the administration is to target individuals NOT in compliance with state laws, right?

i mean, i'm just quoting the holder memo on that.[/QUOTE]


You can quote the Holder memo all you want, but everyone elese here knows it's a flat out lie. And the issue as stated by yourself above, does not have to include victims who were actually prosecuted by any U.S. Attorney General....if they are forced to close by the FEDERAL Government under the local jurisdiction of the STATE Attorney General, then they (the government) are guilty as charged. They are clearly targeting everyone whether state 'legal' or not!

Here's one from just this March 5th 2012 that says that even Colorado based Dispensaries that were LEGAL by the laws of the state, were threatened and forced to close by the federal government. Oh, and thanks for trying to refute a statement that doesn't even apply to your agrument- the more eyes that see all these attrocities the better!


U.S. Attorney in Colorado Says All State-Licensed Medical Marijuana Dispensaries Are Fair Game
Jacob Sullum | March 5, 2012

John Walsh, the U.S. attorney for Colorado, finally has clarified which medical marijuana providers in that state should worry about trouble with the feds: all of them. Two months ago Walsh told 23 dispensaries located within 1,000 feet of a school they had to close or face raids, forfeiture, and prosecution. At least some of those dispensaries were complying with Colorado law, which has a general rule against operating within 1,000 feet of a school but allows local governments to modify that restiction and grandfathers dispensaries that existed before the state started issuing licenses. So it was already clear that Walsh, contrary to Attorney General Holder's repeated assurances on this point, was not prepared to let state law determine whether a dispensary can operate without federal harassment. But when it turned out that one of those 23 dispensaries was near a school building that was not used for teaching, it was taken off the list. That decision fanned the hope that Walsh would stick to enforcing his 1,000-foot rule. Last week, A.P. reports, Walsh stomped on that hope (emphasis added):

U.S. Attorney John Walsh sent a letter Friday to a lawyer representing medical marijuana dispensaries, saying safe harbor doesn't exist for such shops because marijuana remains illegal under federal law....

Walsh said in the new letter that it is at his office's discretion to take enforcement action against any and all medicinal marijuana dispensaries....

[Walsh said] advising clients that there is a safe harbor is "incorrect and untruthful, and would mislead them, factually and legally."

Jeff Dorschner, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office, said there are other factors that can close down shops like unlawful use or possession of a firearm and having amounts of marijuana not in compliant with state and local law....

Dorschner said it's not possible to answer whether a shop in compliance with state rules and regulations and not located near a school would still face any trouble.

It's true, of course, that marijuana is prohibited for all uses by the federal Controlled Substances Act and that, under Gonzales v. Raich, U.S. attorneys have the authority to prosecute people who supply marijuana to patients, even in states that, like Colorado, explicitly allow such distribution. What Holder (and his boss) promised was that federal prosecutors would nevertheless use their discretion to avoid a conflict between the federal ban and state policy. One searches Walsh's position in vain for any hint of such forbearance.

were you aware that state AGs are chosen by the residents of each state?

for example, recently here in oregon, we chose rosenblum over holton. holton had a history of cracking down and wanting to crack down even more on MMJ, rosenblum said it was a low priority.

we chose rosenblum.

will there still be raids? yes, of course. you'd have to be stupid to think that everyone is acting within the strict guidelines of state MMJ laws, in oregon or elsewhere.

will there still be raids on the state compliant? of course. you'd have to be stupid to think that a nation that would choose to kill a certain percentage of innocent folks would not apply the same standard to stoners selling overpriced pot. we are a damn easy political target, which is why all progress on this issue has been made by voter initiatives, not congressional legislation, and rarely state legislation (if at all, someone look this up).

is anyone really naive enough to suspect that the president of the united states will be in a position to endorse full legalization as sitting president in our lifetimes?

it doesn't make a fuck of a difference what the guy (or gal) in the oval office thinks about MMJ, or decriminalization, or prohibition. all that matters is who they appoint to the SCOTUS, and how they prioritize standing congressional law. the 535 others ain't going to do jack nor shit in our lifetimes, save a few.

you can't blame the actions of state AGs on the POTUS, it's just partisan and naive and mildly retarded. we the people of each state elect state AGs and deal with the consequences.

some take the obama position of making MMJ a low priority, others take the romney position of strongly favoring full prohibition, including MMJ.

some take the obama position of wanting to address the drug war, others take the romney position of strongly favoring full enforcement and expansion of the drug war.

i guess it just depends on how much objectivity you look at it with. lol.

 

[InCognition]

Many states have laws I consider violations of human rights. The Death Penalty, The Hole, Anti Abortion crap, making kids listen to religious BS... states that I consider ignorant laws, Paper's Please in AZ ... and the Feds seem to think torture is fucking cool...
the 'Socialist' nations you refer to are as Socialist as Russia was Communist or we are a Democracy, they only say they are, they certainly practice none of it and are a stupid stupid thing to point to when trying to shit on Socialism because they don't follow what the original Socialists decided was Socialism therefore pointing out Dictatorships and their obvious flaws doesn't say shit about Socialism now does it?

How's that Post Office been treating you lately? It's run entirely by the Feds just as a Socialist nation would have it. It doesn't lose money, ever. Remember the Airlines before Deregulation? They were pretty nice, eh? Airlines flew into smaller airports and never changed their prices, the employees were paid decent and no one spent an entire day trapped in a tiny Airplane on a Ramp with no way of getting off or making the plane take off. Or the Energy companies before their Deregulation? Enron greedy fucks ring a bell? And that was extreme, what about every day assuming the position for your local energy corporation since they were allowed the freedom to rape us merrily. OH, do you live where it snows ten months out of the year? Great! You must freeze or pay our monopoly's inflated rates. OH, do you live where the temperature rarely drops below 100? Great! You must Overheat or pay our monopoly's inflated rates. How is THAT freedom for anyone but the rich greedy fucks?

Did you just say the post office doesn't lose money, ever? LOL. Are you under a rock?

Forget trying to converse with you, you just flushed any facade of intelligence you had, right down the drain.

 

[MellowFarmer]

Did you just say the post office doesn't lose money, ever? LOL. Are you under a rock?

Forget trying to converse with you, you just flushed any facade of intelligence you had, right down the drain.

Really? Please find me data to prove me wrong. I am quite certain they raise the costs of the stamps before they lose money. I know that was a fact is it no longer?

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

http://www.npr.org/2012/05/17/152964504/postal-service-to-start-closing-plants-this-summer

Post office is doing horrible.

 

[Fungus Gnat]

http://www.npr.org/2012/05/17/152964504/postal-service-to-start-closing-plants-this-summer

Post office is doing horrible.

But just look at how Congress is tying the Post Office’s hands behind its back here — and not just by forcing it to pay $5.5 billion per year into a retiree healthcare fund.

The law also prevents the post office from raising postage fees faster than inflation…
In some countries, post offices double as banks or sell insurance or cellphones. In the United States, the postal service is barred from entering many areas…
The postal service is also asking Congress for permission to end Saturday delivery.
​

It seems to me that a significant part of the problem here lies with Congress and that a massive bout of deregulation could be just the solution that the Post Office is looking for. Congress is micromanaging the Post Office, telling it how much it can raise postage rates, telling it that it can’t offer financial services (despite its huge business in money orders), telling it that it can’t get into all manner of other businesses either and telling it that it has to deliver mail on Saturdays. Astonishingly, amid all these rules and regulations, the Post Office is losing billions of dollars.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/09/06/how-to-solve-the-post-offices-problems/

Yes the post office needs some changes but congress putting an anchor around it's neck while it's trying to tread water isn't helping.

 

[jahmahn]

IMO the internet is killing the post office. With paperless bank accounts and online bill paying the post office is doomed, it's just a matter of time...

 

[UncleBuck]

what makes the post office less profitable than its private sector counterparts is the fact that they have to set up shop in every shitshatapoopton, nebraska, whereas fedex and UPS only set up where it's profitable.

the latest step of reducing post office hours for rural locations may be inconvenient for some, but it's a good step in the right direction of cutting costs without sacrificing their overall purpose.

i'd like to see johnny hayseed from shitshatapoopton, nebraska send mail cheaper with fedex rather than the USPS. LOL!

 

[tryingtogrow89]

IMO the internet is killing the post office. With paperless bank accounts and online bill paying the post office is doomed, it's just a matter of time...

Man with the interweb ive never ordered so much, and 90% of my packages come usps. shit i get my seeds from usps and even just got my triple perc bong on friday from them The post office lady even commented that im making business good.

 

[InCognition]

Really? Please find me data to prove me wrong. I am quite certain they raise the costs of the stamps before they lose money. I know that was a fact is it no longer?

LOL.

Me find you data?

Check it yourself. You were the one ignorant enough to make the statement suggesting such disinformation. You're absolutely wrong.

The fact is they are losing billions of dollars. Now find me the data that says they aren't. It's quite public information. Hilarious.

 

[Mr Neutron]

IMO the internet is killing the post office. With paperless bank accounts and online bill paying the post office is doomed, it's just a matter of time...

Somebody has to deliver all of that junk mail.