after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part

[nuglets]

I recently started growing, I chose to use Dyna-Gro products because of Homebrewers posts. I ended up running out of foliage-pro and grow, I had to buy some Canna coco a+b to hold me over while I was waiting on my new Dyna-gro products in the mail. Within days of switching to Canna I noticed explosive growth, and a far healthier look. This Canna definately has something in it that my plants love, something they were not getting before. I cant believe the difference. It does seem that the dyna gro was giving very slow growth in veg, now that I have seen what the canna did.

I still want to believe that Dyna-gro is good, because it was definately easy to use, it was Ph stable, highly concentrated, cheap. I will continue to use ProTekt even with the Canna. Maybe I was not using the Dyna Gro optimally, maybe I needed to add something else with it, maybe it isnt well suited to coco growing, even though I added calcium and magnesium.

Im not taking a shot at homeBrewer, or Dynagro, just relaying what happened to me, a rookie medical grower with no previous experience.

thanks for sharing man. dyna grow really isn't that concentrated compared ot other nutes. check the test done above. dyna was weaker than advanced by about 10%. someone here said it's just a basic nutrients for newbs and is not complex enough for experienced growers. i agree with that.

 

[tree king]

I recently started growing, I chose to use Dyna-Gro products because of Homebrewers posts. I ended up running out of foliage-pro and grow, I had to buy some Canna coco a+b to hold me over while I was waiting on my new Dyna-gro products in the mail. Within days of switching to Canna I noticed explosive growth, and a far healthier look. This Canna definately has something in it that my plants love, something they were not getting before. I cant believe the difference. It does seem that the dyna gro was giving very slow growth in veg, now that I have seen what the canna did.

I still want to believe that Dyna-gro is good, because it was definately easy to use, it was Ph stable, highly concentrated, cheap. I will continue to use ProTekt even with the Canna. Maybe I was not using the Dyna Gro optimally, maybe I needed to add something else with it, maybe it isnt well suited to coco growing, even though I added calcium and magnesium.

Im not taking a shot at homeBrewer, or Dynagro, just relaying what happened to me, a rookie medical grower with no previous experience.

thanks for posting your experience. same exact thing happened to me so im not surprised. after i switched back to AN the leaves just stood up more and looked more alive like they were missing something. nuglets is right too dont be fooled by people telling you dyna is more concentrated and alot cheaper than other nutes cause its not true. run your own tests like we just did. dyna and the sensi 2 part are basically the same price so use whatever nutes you think are better without worrying about the price

 

[dickkhead]

I recently started growing, I chose to use Dyna-Gro products because of Homebrewers posts. I ended up running out of foliage-pro and grow, I had to buy some Canna coco a+b to hold me over while I was waiting on my new Dyna-gro products in the mail. Within days of switching to Canna I noticed explosive growth, and a far healthier look. This Canna definately has something in it that my plants love, something they were not getting before. I cant believe the difference. It does seem that the dyna gro was giving very slow growth in veg, now that I have seen what the canna did.

I still want to believe that Dyna-gro is good, because it was definately easy to use, it was Ph stable, highly concentrated, cheap. I will continue to use ProTekt even with the Canna. Maybe I was not using the Dyna Gro optimally, maybe I needed to add something else with it, maybe it isnt well suited to coco growing, even though I added calcium and magnesium.


Im not taking a shot at homeBrewer, or Dynagro, just relaying what happened to me, a rookie medical grower with no previous experience.

well seeing how its coco your in and the nutes you bought were specifically for coco prob has something to do with it. were you using RO water or tap your ph could be off in the coco ive heard coco ph can be a nightmare what was your water feed schedule like? and how much were you using
I had problems while using the foliage pro after using the gro I tried feeding the the same dose 1/4tsp/g but am finding out 1/2 tsp per gallon to start out is the sweet spot not a 1/4 and of your noticing def use 1 tsp for 2 feedins in a row, it says it in the directions! I would like to see canna up against dyna. but theres guys who have been growing for 20+ years who sware by DG or jacks classic. if you notice the ones who struggle with it are ussualy new to the game. being new myself im gna stick with DG until I see a comparison or do one that proves another nute to be better.

 

[tree king]

well seeing how its coco your in and the nutes you bought were specifically for coco prob has something to do with it. were you using RO water or tap your ph could be off in the coco ive heard coco ph can be a nightmare what was your water feed schedule like? and how much were you using
I had problems while using the foliage pro after using the gro I tried feeding the the same dose 1/4tsp/g but am finding out 1/2 tsp per gallon to start out is the sweet spot not a 1/4 and of your noticing def use 1 tsp for 2 feedins in a row, it says it in the directions! I would like to see canna up against dyna. but theres guys who have been growing for 20+ years who sware by DG or jacks classic. if you notice the ones who struggle with it are ussualy new to the game. being new myself im gna stick with DG until I see a comparison or do one that proves another nute to be better.

if i were you i wouldnt listen to anyone else when it comes to nutes, i dont care if the've been growing 50 years you never know what someones agenda is on internet forums. you shouldnt wait till you see someone else do a comparison grow either just try another type of nutes yourself to find out the truth. look what happened when i listened to homebrewer who is a so called expert it turned out to be a disaster for me. i also highly doubt that lorinser's results with canna were because there meant for coco, if the nutes are alot better your gonna get much faster explosive growth theres no need to overthink the situation. me and lorinser experienced the same results and i didnt use coco i just think AN, canna, and h&g etc are on a different level than dyna

 

[Lorinser]

if i were you i wouldnt listen to anyone else when it comes to nutes, i dont care if the've been growing 50 years you never know what someones agenda is on internet forums. you shouldnt wait till you see someone else do a comparison grow either just try another type of nutes yourself to find out the truth. look what happened when i listened to homebrewer who is a so called expert it turned out to be a disaster for me. i also highly doubt that lorinser's results with canna were because there meant for coco, if the nutes are alot better your gonna get much faster explosive growth theres no need to overthink the situation. me and lorinser experienced the same results and i didnt use coco i just think AN, canna, and h&g etc are on a different level than dyna

I fed my plants between .8-1.2 EC, 5.8 PH. I used Pro-tekt, grow, and foliage pro, plus cal/mag. Because I had never grown before I had nothing to compare dynagro with. I have been vegging plants with dynagro for the last two months, I have plants in all stages of veg, from just rooted clones, to large plants that have been vegging for 2 months. I honestly believed I was using the best nutrients on earth with the Dynagro, I bought into what Homebrewer said 100%. I am now very glad I ran out and tried Canna. My plants grew more in 5 days with Canna, than they did in 3 weeks with dyna gro. The difference was night and day

Im still going to continue experimenting with Dynagro, Im thinking that I may need to add fulvics, kelp, or something. The Canna just has something in it perhaps beyond N-P-K that makes a massive difference in growth. If I had started with Canna instead of Dynagro, I think my plants would all be at least double in size.

Many of the plants I am running are bubba kush. Since switching to Canna, the leaves are twice as wide as before with the dyngro. Doesn anybody know why this maybe? The leaves were always wide indica leaves, but since the Canna the leaves have gotten really, really fat, about twice as wide as before the Canna.

 

[tree king]

I fed my plants between .8-1.2 EC, 5.8 PH. I used Pro-tekt, grow, and foliage pro, plus cal/mag. Because I had never grown before I had nothing to compare dynagro with. I have been vegging plants with dynagro for the last two months, I have plants in all stages of veg, from just rooted clones, to large plants that have been vegging for 2 months. I honestly believed I was using the best nutrients on earth with the Dynagro, I bought into what Homebrewer said 100%. I am now very glad I ran out and tried Canna. My plants grew more in 5 days with Canna, than they did in 3 weeks with dyna gro. The difference was night and day

Im still going to continue experimenting with Dynagro, Im thinking that I may need to add fulvics, kelp, or something. The Canna just has something in it perhaps beyond N-P-K that makes a massive difference in growth. If I had started with Canna instead of Dynagro, I think my plants would all be at least double in size.

its like your reading my mind lol. thats exactly what i said in the biggining of this thread its like night and day you dont even have to run dyna gro a full crop to see what it does. my crop now that i used AN on i got plants that are 38" tall, last crop when i used dg my plants were 22" it was a fuckin joke lol. double in size is right my friend you hit the nail on the head. adding fulvics and kelp isnt gonna matter cause base nutes dont have that shit in them anyway

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

strong, healthy plants can almost be grown with any nutrient lineup. i agree that some nutrients have more refined components, less salts, and even better formulas. the error made by most growers is not the nutrients fault. it's the growers fault. if you can grow healthy plants with canna then you should be able to grow healthy plants with dyna. the longer you grow the more knowledge you will attain. thus making growing with other nutrient lineups much easier. then you will be able to tell the subtle differences between brands.

as a beginner, dyna is a great nutrient company. it is a very simple 1 part nutrient that is easy to master. i would recommend it to any new grower. after you begin to understand ratios and how plants react to nutrients changes then you should start to experiment with some of the more complex nutrient lineups. it's like driving a car...you don't give a 17yr. old that just got his license a Ferrari...

happy growing...

 

[Stonefree69]

Well this grower has used all kinds of nutes (Canna, GH, Botanicare, House and Garden, Technaflora, and Humboldt) and likes
Dyna-Gro: Incredible Results: Dyna Gro recipe

Don't know who to believe other than trying them out myself. I don't think anyone is going to change tree king's mind about
dropping AN nutes, just as I doubt anyone will change the OPs mind on the thread I linked.

Like I said, I'm focusing right now on lighting, room setup, venting for temps, etc. in a new setup. I did have excellent results
the times I've grown and tend to take all my hobbies "over the top."

I just got my Super BubbleFlow Buckets in and the hydro system is superb! They even sent me some free TechnaFlora nutes to
try out ($215 worth for free). They were a bit late in shipping, guess want to make up for it, which they more than did! I highly
recommended this turn-key rdwc system if you're a bit lazy w/diy. Complete 12 bucket system was $645 + $150 shipping. IMO
not much else competes with this complete system in features and price. And no, I'm not their sock puppet.

 

[tree king]

Well this grower has used all kinds of nutes (Canna, GH, Botanicare, House and Garden, Technaflora, and Humboldt) and likes
Dyna-Gro: Incredible Results: Dyna Gro recipe

Don't know who to believe other than trying them out myself. I don't think anyone is going to change tree king's mind about
dropping AN nutes, just as I doubt anyone will change the OPs mind on the thread I linked.

Like I said, I'm focusing right now on lighting, room setup, venting for temps, etc. in a new setup. I did have excellent results
the times I've grown and tend to take all my hobbies "over the top."

I just got my Super BubbleFlow Buckets in and the hydro system is superb! They even sent me some free TechnaFlora nutes to
try out ($215 worth for free). They were a bit late in shipping, guess want to make up for it, which they more than did! I highly
recommended this turn-key rdwc system if you're a bit lazy w/diy. Complete 12 bucket system was $645 + $150 shipping. IMO
not much else competes with this complete system in features and price. And no, I'm not their sock puppet.

this is exactly why you shouldnt listen to anyone else and try out different nutes yourself. its not about changing my mind from using AN its about im saying i would never use dyna again. im not stuck on advanced im actually gonna test out h&g at some point

 

[tree king]

i now hear what you guys are saying when it comes to nute strength my secret recipe's need so much more nutes than blubonic its not even funny. they've been turning light green so ive been upping the ppm and now im at 400. there still in the dome too and there only a few inches tall under a regular fluorescent not a t5. i still dont see them turning alot darker i think im gonna have to up it again to 500. just from what i see happening right now with there nute uptake i can tell these plants are gonna be fuckin monsters!

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

Well this grower has used all kinds of nutes (Canna, GH, Botanicare, House and Garden, Technaflora, and Humboldt) and likes
Dyna-Gro: Incredible Results: Dyna Gro recipe

Don't know who to believe other than trying them out myself. I don't think anyone is going to change tree king's mind about
dropping AN nutes, just as I doubt anyone will change the OPs mind on the thread I linked.

Like I said, I'm focusing right now on lighting, room setup, venting for temps, etc. in a new setup. I did have excellent results
the times I've grown and tend to take all my hobbies "over the top."

I just got my Super BubbleFlow Buckets in and the hydro system is superb! They even sent me some free TechnaFlora nutes to
try out ($215 worth for free). They were a bit late in shipping, guess want to make up for it, which they more than did! I highly
recommended this turn-key rdwc system if you're a bit lazy w/diy. Complete 12 bucket system was $645 + $150 shipping. IMO
not much else competes with this complete system in features and price. And no, I'm not their sock puppet.

honestly most guys don't know enough about base and micro nutes and how they relate to plant growth. most don't know how to spot and treat deficiences or burns and end up making the problem worse. then they blame the nutrient and change brands until they find a formula that works with their feeding schedule, media, etc... you should dial your nutes in before you go changing them for other companies. it will teach you a lot more and also give you a baseline to go off before deciding to try other brands.

 

[tree king]

honestly most guys don't know enough about base and micro nutes and how they relate to plant growth. most don't know how to spot and treat deficiences or burns and end up making the problem worse. then they blame the nutrient and change brands until they find a formula that works with their feeding schedule, media, etc... you should dial your nutes in before you go changing them for other companies. it will teach you a lot more and also give you a baseline to go off before deciding to try other brands.

when did he ever say he hasnt dialed in dyna gro? your acting like you dont want him to try out other nutes or something. let him do what he wants theres nothing wrong with trying different nutes it could make a world of difference like it did with me

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

when did he ever say he hasnt dialed in dyna gro? your acting like you dont want him to try out other nutes or something. let him do what he wants theres nothing wrong with trying different nutes it could make a world of difference like it did with me

what makes you think i was talking about him? did i say his name or use the word "you" at any point in my post? just cause i quoted him doesn't mean i was talking about him. and i stand by what i said because it is the truth in my experience. from what i have seen on these forums and from years of experience that is the #1 reason for nutrient debates. if you gave the top 10 nute brands to a very experienced grower and gave him no additives and a harvest or 2 to get his ratios dialed in i bet you he would grow you 10 different plants using 10 different nutes that pretty much all looked the same.

 

[tree king]

what makes you think i was talking about him? did i say his name or use the word "you" at any point in my post? just cause i quoted him doesn't mean i was talking about him. and i stand by what i said because it is the truth in my experience. from what i have seen on these forums and from years of experience that is the #1 reason for nutrient debates. if you gave the top 10 nute brands to a very experienced grower and gave him no additives and a harvest or 2 to get his ratios dialed in i bet you he would grow you 10 different plants using 10 different nutes that pretty much all looked the same.

usually when you quote someone in your post it means your responding to there comments. if you dont want people thinking your talkin to them then stop quoting them cause its confusing. you sound crazy what are you related to homebrewer or something lol if you use 10 different nutes on 10 different plants all of them are gonna look different in some way. maybe slightly different or totally different i get plants that are almost double the size of dg when i use sensi 2 part.

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

usually when you quote someone in your post it means your responding to there comments. if you dont want people thinking your talkin to them then stop quoting them cause its confusing. you sound crazy what are you related to homebrewer or something lol if you use 10 different nutes on 10 different plants all of them are gonna look different in some way. i got plants that are almost double the size of dg when i used sensi 2 part.

quoting someone usually means you are EITHER responding directly to them or EXPANDING on their train of thought. considering he never talked about any of his problems with nutrients in that post then i figured it was implied i wasn't talking about him. it may be confusing to you but since this is not my first forum or first account and you are the first person to comment on it i'm just gonna brush it off as an isolated incident.

i'm not related to homebrewer. i actually use advanced and have for a while. if you had read my original post you would see that i say that dyna grow is not as good as some of the more complex nute formulas. sometimes it helps to actually follow someones comments throughout a thread before making accusations. it can be "confusing"

this is your thread man...so run with it. but i can guarantee you i've been growing with advanced probably 3 times as long as you've been growing period. i've run almost every single one of their additives and most of their base nutes. i've also run 4-5 other companies over the years. trust me. if someone has problems with a nutrient lineup then you can be pretty damn sure it's not the nutrients and it's the grower. you might wanna check your facts first. i guarantee you if someone had their nutes dialed in and knew what they were doing they would get 10 plants that yielded relatively the same. the big difference in yield and quality comes in grower knowledge; environment; and and process. not base nutes.

 

[tree king]

quoting someone usually means you are EITHER responding directly to them or EXPANDING on their train of thought. considering he never talked about any of his problems with nutrients in that post then i figured it was implied i wasn't talking about him. it may be confusing to you but since this is not my first forum or first account and you are the first person to comment on it i'm just gonna brush it off as an isolated incident.

i'm not related to homebrewer. i actually use advanced and have for a while. if you had read my original post you would see that i say that dyna grow is not as good as some of the more complex nute formulas. sometimes it helps to actually follow someones comments throughout a thread before making accusations. it can be "confusing"

this is your thread man...so run with it. but i can guarantee you i've been growing with advanced probably 3 times as long as you've been growing period. i've run almost every single one of their additives and most of their base nutes. i've also run 4-5 other companies over the years. trust me. if someone has problems with a nutrient lineup then you can be pretty damn sure it's not the nutrients and it's the grower. you might wanna check your facts first. i guarantee you if someone had their nutes dialed in and knew what they were doing they would get 10 plants that yielded relatively the same. the big difference in yield and quality comes in grower knowledge; environment; and and process. not base nutes.

my fault im not used to seeing someone quote someone and elaborate on what there saying it just didnt make sense to me. your right i dont remember what you said earlier in the thread theres way too many people on this forum to remember who they are and what they said in the past. the main point im trying to make is its my opinion all nutes are different in some way unless a company just straight up copied someone elses nutes to a t and it affects the plants in different ways. homebrewer even admitted earlier in this thread that h&g and AN have more of a certain type of nitrogen that makes plants stretch more. why do you think my plants are so much taller? its not cause i dont know what im doing. this proves that nutes can be very different thats all im sayin. i just think you should be encouraging people to try different things instead of just saying all nutes are the same if you get different results than you dont know how to grow. it also sounds insulting to people cause you sound like you dont value there opinion on nutes and your degrading peoples growing skills. i know your not doing it on purpose but it comes off like that

 

[tree king]

Look at the composition of the nitrogen in the different formulas you've used, there lies your answer. Nitrate nitrogen and urea are fast acting which is what AN uses. DG uses 2/3rds nitrate, 1/3 amoniacal nitrogen. In this H&G test grow, I'm seeing 'taller plants' because they use almost all nitrate nitrogen, just like AN and GH. What you're missing is that yield doesn't come from height, it comes from the nodes and given how fast light falls off as it moves away from it's source, you don't want 'taller plants', you want shorter plants with a lot of nodes. I'm 50 days away from harvesting these H&G aqua flakes ladies and other than pH stability, concentration levels, and the height of the plants, 10 days of using Aqua flakes says nothing about the quality (or lack thereof) of this plant food.



I also want to post this because haters always going to hate...is that appropriate here? This is nug talking to me in the thread below...

Thread found here: https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/523081-superthrive.html

this is the quote i was talking about

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

my fault im not used to seeing someone quote someone and elaborate on what there saying it just didnt make sense to me. your right i dont remember what you said earlier in the thread theres way too many people on this forum to remember who they are and what they said in the past. the main point im trying to make is its my opinion all nutes are different in some way unless a company just straight up copied someone elses nutes to a t and it affects the plants in different ways. homebrewer even admitted earlier in this thread that h&g and AN have more of a certain type of nitrogen that makes plants stretch more. why do you think my plants are so much taller? its not cause i dont know what im doing. this proves that nutes can be very different thats all im sayin. i just think you should be encouraging people to try different things instead of just saying all nutes are the same if you get different results than you dont know how to grow. it also sounds insulting to people cause you sound like you dont value there opinion and your degrading peoples growing skills. i know your not doing it on purpose but it comes off like that

i hear ya man. i think you are confused. i am not telling people NOT to use other brands and experiment with different additives and supplements. on the contrary, i'm actually telling people to do so. refer to my first post, i just got here so it can't be more than 10-15 posts ago. i even said that there are some nutrient lineups that are more complex and have higher quality ingredients.

you are right though. i'm actually telling people that if they can't grow with dyna grow then they shouldn't be switching to advanced. it's not the nutrients fault, it's the grower. you can quote me on that. it's like the guys on the forums telling people who are having heat issues in their room to just add co2. that's not the issue and won't solve the problem. if you can't grow with a simple 1 part nute like dyna grow then you need to practice more. and i think you misunderstood that whole part about stretching plants. you don't want stretchy plants in veg. i want my plants and node spacing as tight as possible. stretchy plants are harder to transport nutrients throughout, use much more energy, produce smaller buds, and a host of other issues. you want them to stretch out in flower for sure. but not in veg man.

moral of the story is when you are new to growing then go right ahead and try out dyna grow or any of the simple 1-3 part nutrient formulas. but if you mess up your plants then try and dial the formula in. don't just go changing nutes and blaming it on them. when you have a lot of experience and understand you plants and their reactions to certain base and micro nutes, then go experimenting cause you will actually know what you are doing and looking at.

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

this is the quote i was talking about

homebrewer is 100% correct. you don't want tall stretchy plants in veg. he's wrong though cause it has nothing to do with the difference between the nitrogen in the 2 formulas.

 

[tree king]

i hear ya man. i think you are confused. i am not telling people NOT to use other brands and experiment with different additives and supplements. on the contrary, i'm actually telling people to do so. refer to my first post, i just got here so it can't be more than 10-15 posts ago. i even said that there are some nutrient lineups that are more complex and have higher quality ingredients.

you are right though. i'm actually telling people that if they can't grow with dyna grow then they shouldn't be switching to advanced. it's not the nutrients fault, it's the grower. you can quote me on that. it's like the guys on the forums telling people who are having heat issues in their room to just add co2. that's not the issue and won't solve the problem. if you can't grow with a simple 1 part nute like dyna grow then you need to practice more. and i think you misunderstood that whole part about stretching plants. you don't want stretchy plants in veg. i want my plants and node spacing as tight as possible. stretchy plants are harder to transport nutrients throughout, use much more energy, produce smaller buds, and a host of other issues. you want them to stretch out in flower for sure. but not in veg man.

moral of the story is when you are new to growing then go right ahead and try out dyna grow or any of the simple 1-3 part nutrient formulas. but if you mess up your plants then try and dial the formula in. don't just go changing nutes and blaming it on them. when you have a lot of experience and understand you plants and their reactions to certain base and micro nutes, then go experimenting cause you will actually know what you are doing and looking at.

im talkin about flower not veg. i just dont know why you even brought this subject up? this thread is about peoples opinions on there experiences with dyna gro compared to AN or other types of nutes. no one in the thread ever said they were having a problem keeping plants healthy with dyna gro not even me. i had a problem with the growth rates. o well it doesnt matter. we'll just leave it at this... i disagree with you when you say 10 different nutes on 10 different plants will look pretty much identical. everything else we talked about we probably misunderstood each other