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MuyLocoNC

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When you are carrying a concealed firearm, it does mean just that. Legal pros call it the "higher standard of care" for which the armed party is responsible. cn
That's a solid argument.

I guess, regarding that requirement, it comes down to whether the jury thinks following someone in your neighborhood for the purpose of asking them a question is a violation of that higher standard. I think they would have to determine that Zimmerman should have reasonably expected to be attacked for that action and should have avoided it.

The legal experts I'm watching and listening to are mostly saying that 2nd degree murder is a longshot and the ultimately avoidable argument has no merit.

It's only getting more interesting as this thing progresses.
 

doc111

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That's a solid argument.

I guess, regarding that requirement, it comes down to whether the jury thinks following someone in your neighborhood for the purpose of asking them a question is a violation of that higher standard. I think they would have to determine that Zimmerman should have reasonably expected to be attacked for that action and should have avoided it.

The legal experts I'm watching and listening to are mostly saying that 2nd degree murder is a longshot and the ultimately avoidable argument has no merit.

It's only getting more interesting as this thing progresses.
If it can be shown that Zimmerman started the PHYSICAL confrontation, then I think he's fucked. Without that, I think this case will fizzle pretty quickly at trial. Being physically attacked causes everything else to pretty much fly out the window. If he was in fear for his life he has every right to defend himself. The fact that he has documented injuries (no matter how minor) makes it tough to say he couldn't have feared for his life. Eyewitness testimony won't mean much if there are conflicting stories so the jury will be left with actual physical evidence. There's not a whole lot of that suggesting who started the physical confrontation (ie., video evidence). We'll see what rabbits the prosecution pulls out of their hat. They obviously think they have an ace in the hole, but so did the Casey Anthony prosecution.
 

UncleBuck

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That's a solid argument.

I guess, regarding that requirement, it comes down to whether the jury thinks following someone in your neighborhood for the purpose of asking them a question is a violation of that higher standard.
lol, you must be blind or ignorant of the facts of this case.

martin and zimmerman crossed paths several times! never once did zimmerman identify himself. he has the chance to do so in the 911 call itself. he had the chance to do so when they first crossed paths and zimmerman decided he looked suspicious and called 911. he had a final chance to identify himself before the final confrontation.

he was not interested in asking any questions, he was interested in trying to detain one of those assholes who was always getting away.

just fuck. jesus fucking christ.
 

MuyLocoNC

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lol, you must be blind or ignorant of the facts of this case.

martin and zimmerman crossed paths several times! never once did zimmerman identify himself. he has the chance to do so in the 911 call itself. he had the chance to do so when they first crossed paths and zimmerman decided he looked suspicious and called 911. he had a final chance to identify himself before the final confrontation.

he was not interested in asking any questions, he was interested in trying to detain one of those assholes who was always getting away.

just fuck. jesus fucking christ.
Lighten up Francis. Who the hell said anything about him identifying himself? I was talking about him following him to ask him his business, which is not conjecture, it's fact.

If I'm not mistaken and I'm not, Trayvon's girlfriend stated that as they encountered each other near the sidewalk, she heard Zimmerman ask Trayvon what he was doing there (first and only thing out of his mouth). If he wasn't following him to ask him a question, why is that the first thing he did? You make yourself look like a dumbshit when you take that tone, at the same time being absolutely wrong.
 

UncleBuck

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Lighten up Francis. Who the hell said anything about him identifying himself? I was talking about him following him to ask him his business, which is not conjecture, it's fact.
he had two chances to do that before and didn't.

it was only after chasing the poor kid around for a third time that he angrily blurted out "what are you doing here?"

if he was only interested in asking him his business, he had two perfect chances to do so and didn't.

what did he want to do instead? he tells dispatch exactly what he wanted to do. "these assholes always get away" and 'have the cops call me for my location' (because i'm going after this asshole, he ain't getting away).

"ultimately avoidable by zimmerman"

you live in some kind of fairy tale dumbshit world if you think he just wanted to ask him his business.
 

berkman858

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I can't believe how many of you fucking simple minded, nothing better to do, should be fisting their assholes, crybabys that probably still live with their moms but have the social wherewithal to argue laws, are still bitching and moaning here. Bunch of fucking confused bickering children, this is a weed forum, chill out and smoke some herb. Untangle your panties from your assholes and have some red wine ya fucking bitches. Must be that time of the month, what are you all on the same cycle??

Uncle Buck, sorry but you seem like King Douche to me. Just saying man, it's the way you come across. :fire:
 

UncleBuck

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I can't believe how many of you fucking simple minded, nothing better to do, should be fisting their assholes, crybabys that probably still live with their moms but have the social wherewithal to argue laws, are still bitching and moaning here. Bunch of fucking confused bickering children, this is a weed forum, chill out and smoke some herb. Untangle your panties from your assholes and have some red wine ya fucking bitches. Must be that time of the month, what are you all on the same cycle??

Uncle Buck, sorry but you seem like King Douche to me. Just saying man, it's the way you come across. :fire:
i'm not worried about the opinion of a guy who's fisting his asshole.
 

MuyLocoNC

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he had two chances to do that before and didn't.

it was only after chasing the poor kid around for a third time that he angrily blurted out "what are you doing here?"

if he was only interested in asking him his business, he had two perfect chances to do so and didn't.

what did he want to do instead? he tells dispatch exactly what he wanted to do. "these assholes always get away" and 'have the cops call me for my location' (because i'm going after this asshole, he ain't getting away).

"ultimately avoidable by zimmerman"

you live in some kind of fairy tale dumbshit world if you think he just wanted to ask him his business.
I think it's completely plausible that he wanted to find out if he belonged in the neighborhood and tried to achieve that with a verbal query. It would be perfectly consistent with his story. The fact that he didn't do it previously, has no bearing on whether or not that was his intentions as he was following him. You're simply mentally convicting him ahead of time and drawing biased conclusions based on that predetermined guilt. I'm trying to look at this like a juror, which begins with a presumption of innocence.

You may be right, but it's pure conjecture on your part.
 

berkman858

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Nah I said you SHOULD be fisting your asshole but you are here posting nonsense instead. Your asshole has needs and I am sure you have small hands so ... :lol:
 

UncleBuck

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I think it's completely plausible that he wanted to find out if he belonged in the neighborhood and tried to achieve that with a verbal query. It would be perfectly consistent with his story. The fact that he didn't do it previously, has no bearing on whether or not that was his intentions as he was following him. You're simply mentally convicting him ahead of time and drawing biased conclusions based on that predetermined guilt. I'm trying to look at this like a juror, which begins with a presumption of innocence.

You may be right, but it's pure conjecture on your part.
2 perfectly good chances to ask him what he's doing there, he had no interest in doing though so he didn't.

by the time he followed him for a third time, that's stalking.
 

UncleBuck

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Nah I said you SHOULD be fisting your asshole but you are here posting nonsense instead. Your asshole has needs and I am sure you have small hands so ... :lol:
dude, if you want to see dudes fisting their assholes, just hop on chatroulette.

i don't share your taste in watching men fist their own assholes, douchebag.
 

berkman858

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Ahhh dude you are totally misunderstanding me. So, here's what you do, you take YOUR fist, put it in YOUR asshole. And you don't have to watch, you can look away if that's your thing. Just insert, remove, and repeat. I am sure you will get it. I believe in you! I mean you are the smart one here right?
 

UncleBuck

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Ahhh dude you are totally misunderstanding me. So, here's what you do, you take YOUR fist, put it in YOUR asshole. And you don't have to watch, you can look away if that's your thing. Just insert, remove, and repeat. I am sure you will get it. I believe in you! I mean you are the smart one here right?
dude, i get it. you want to watch guys fist their assholes. you get off on instructing them. i get it.

take your homosexual fantasies elsewhere. the internet is the wild wild west of porn, i'm sure you'll find the gay ass fisting you so desire.
 
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