veganics,bat guano &health

terrycodone

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only problem ive had is with their hydro deuce that can be used w/ soil mediums,its a 0-0-22 .learned my lesson there.never tripled my reg nutes though,might try it out mid flower as you said with one of the ladies comin up.thanks for clearin up my confusion on mold,this shall be the summer of compost
 

+ WitchDoctor +

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Yea, they'll let you know if when you can feed them more for sure. I'm no expert yet, but it seems like I can see just a little bit of reddish purplish color start to creep up on the stem if I'm not feeding them heavy enough.
 

terrycodone

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thats cool you have visual cue's let to you know when to feed,every cycle i always keep a few clones of the previous girls in play,so when theyre flowering & such i have my nute notes and feeding chart to use as a reference if the clones feeding regimen isnt altered too drastically .also it can tell. me why the girls are deviating/progressing from their mother plants for the most part
 

+ WitchDoctor +

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Hell yea, I made myself a really sweet feeding chart with every little variable I could think of....but I keep forgetting to go back to the computer and fill it out after watering lol. :wall:

But yea, that's an awesome way to figure out what your plants need. Keep in mind though that you'll probably get better at growing with each harvest, I know I still do, so every harvest you'll probably be able to feed those plants a little bit harder. Seems like every time I replant my roots keeps looking crazier and crazier lol.
 

terrycodone

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i feel you 100%!a couple years back when i was still getting potting soil for my girls from ace (failure)every plants roots that i would take a look at after harvest looked weak and they never hit the bottom of their 2 gal buckets.once i got a much needed visit from a good friend with 20 yrs. under his belt and many suggestions i cleaned up my act considering soil,ferts,slowly transitioning to 12/12 so as not to give them a premature equinox and a few other things that most of the time are learned from experience .since then though like you said theyve been noticeably improving in every aspect possible cycle by cycle.they're not high times quality,but i feel like i am definitely doing right by my girls.and if not then at least im going to keep working at it to give them a better and more productive life cycle.
i also feel you on spacing updating comp. records of feeding & other things.luckily i have a wway to physically record without a damning grow notebook.its a dry erase board on the outside of my grow room that gets updated every feeding and noticeable growth spurt
 

terrycodone

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looks pretty damn operational man,meals on wheels lol.i use a 2 gal bucket filled with my assortment of fert bottles,ml. measuring cups & a turkey baster equipped with ml. units of measurement.not real classy but keeps me from losing anything critical
 

+ WitchDoctor +

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Nada. I don't live in that "...progressive" (lol) of a state yet. Hopefully next year though ;-) But I built 450 sq ft of raised garden bed this year. I had to set up a whole sale coco and peat account just to fill the garden beds lol, not to mention all the compost tea and shit I've been dumping in the beds for the last 2 weeks lol. I've been making 20 gallons a week since I finished the first bed lol.

But hey, now 80% of the food my family is gonna eat for the next year is not only going to be practically free, but vegan organic as well. :hump:
 

Balzac89

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It's all just a theory until someone proves it with evidence. I've never had problems with guano, but I also grow outdoors.
 

+ WitchDoctor +

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It's all just a theory until someone proves it with evidence. I've never had problems with guano, but I also grow outdoors.
Which part, the possibility of getting sick from the guano or growing without guano being a "purer" form of medicine?

I don't know of anyone that's gotten sick from guano, but we've proven that manure from sick animals can make us sick if we eat food grown with said manure.

As far as it being a purer form of medicine, I don't think it's technically purer without the poop...I mean we're still putting lots of other stuff in there that is kind of gross. I mean, I wouldn't want to eat a spoonful of compost any more than a spoonful of guano lol. But I feel like I was able to tell the difference in taste and didn't get as nasty of a feeling in my throat after smoking....but I also got better at growing around that time, and I might have used guano to late in flower...lots of variables I guess.

But it's also about being environmentally responsible, and I don't think guano harvesting really is under most, if not all circumstances. Manure on the other hand, is widely and readily available....just not as high in NPK.

But hey it's all good either way. Lots of bigger problems in the world than bat poop I guess lol.
 

malignant

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i grow in a lot of poop.. bat, horse, cow, poultry. vagan growing is just too much and i have yet to see the final results of a vegan grow. i may try a hydro run at biocanna but thats still so damn expensive.
 

+ WitchDoctor +

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i grow in a lot of poop.. bat, horse, cow, poultry. vagan growing is just too much and i have yet to see the final results of a vegan grow. i may try a hydro run at biocanna but thats still so damn expensive.
It's only too much if you make it too much ;] A bottled veganics system isn't the only way to grow vegan organic pot, we can use green manures the same way we use the brown ones. :-o

But alas, they don't sell green manure at the hydro stores, and it's not like we can just go in the back yard and make it.

My theory, a theory that I just put into practice, is that we should be able to feed our plants the NPK they need with compost, or more precisely worm-compost. When using worms, the resulting compost retains more of the original NPK than regular compost, possibly most of it. So my worms have been composting high PK and high N scraps in separate containers. I'm hoping that a little in the mixes and teas all through will deliver the NPK.

I'm really having a hard time finding a reason that this won't work, and I'm surprised no one on this site has tried it yet, but I guess worm-composting is kinda the new big thing or whatever.....But it'll be at least 2 months until I have results. :sad:

My results from my vegan grows don't look any different than when I was using guanos, and even though I feel like it tastes better, patients couldn't tell the difference lol.

Bio Canna seems like it would be hard to do with hydro, because of the thickness of it. But if you can do it, shit, other people would probably want to know how! Have you used GO or any of the more liquidy organic bottles?

I'm using it with good results in 80% coco 20% castings, compost, and amendments.....but I'm sure that's hardly the same thing as hydro.
 

mipainpatient

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Just as I hadn't seen anyone mention it yet. Bat guano is known to carry a fungus which causes Histoplasmosis ("Caver's disease") as it is fungal if it is growing in your buds you should be able to see mycelia under a scope, though you will need to get in the 200x-400x range to know for sure. While as a biochemist I don't know of any "leeching" that should be consistently causing disease---ie the components of the guano being "uptaken" into the plant tissue. But the fungal transmission is known to cause disease via spore from guano exposure, if used indoors you'd have to be plating cultures to know for sure---most likely you are spreading the fungus everywhere if you make "teas" fair warning brothas.
Hope this helps
-MPP


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoplasmosis

[h=2]Disease mechanism[/h]H. capsulatum grows in soil and material contaminated with bird or bat droppings (guano). The fungus has been found in poultry house litter, caves, areas harboring bats, and in bird roosts (particularly those ofstarlings). The fungus is thermally dimorphic: in the environment it grows as a brownish mycelium, and at body temperature (37 °C in humans) it morphs into a yeast. The inoculum is represented principally by microconidia that, once inhaled into the alveolar spaces, germinate and then transform into budding yeast cells. Histoplasmosis is not contagious, but is contracted by inhalation of the spores from disturbed soil or guano.[SUP][2]


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mipainpatient

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It's all just a theory until someone proves it with evidence. I've never had problems with guano, but I also grow outdoors.
Seems consistent with my histo- theory, no contained enclosed area means the fungus spores are borne away by the wind, not blown directly to your flowers by, say, floor fans anyone?
MPP over and out
 

IggyZag

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Yes, but I would promote the use of all those manures over the use of guano just because of the way guano is harvested. My outdoor garden (food) doesn't have any poop in it either :lol: and my strawberry plants already gave me (some stupid fucking squirrel) some strawberries. lol.As long as the manure is composted properly and not from any sick animals, then it should be safe to use. But I'm into safer, or safest..when I have a choice in the matter. And auto-immune patients have to be safest and then some, especially if they are eating and juicing raw. And I'm not against a little bit of guano or manure being used in my soil necessarily, but not the HUGE amounts that are being used in the industry. Plus a high P environment kills of the myco...which is kinda counter productive.
Apoligize in advance if this ws already stated my phones uber slow at loading pages but from my reading mycos don't die from high p count they hibernate and its only a certain strand of mycos ( I can look it up in my book if u wish) but the strand doesn't die it hibernates, not because it doesn't like p but because its only job is to bring p to the roots that isn't found in the soil by decomposing and eating other microbes that contain p. Its my understanding that they only go dormant because they have no use finding p if its readilly available and they come back when its not. (That's from teaming with microbes) also the guano I'm sure brings no disease from the roots however considering how much circulation we have in our grows I'm sure some of the nasties from guano eventually attatch to the bud itself thus causing us to combust and inhale it
 

terrycodone

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Nada. I don't live in that "...progressive" (lol) of a state yet. Hopefully next year though ;-) But I built 450 sq ft of raised garden bed this year. I had to set up a whole sale coco and peat account just to fill the garden beds lol, not to mention all the compost tea and shit I've been dumping in the beds for the last 2 weeks lol. I've been making 20 gallons a week since I finished the first bed lol.

But hey, now 80% of the food my family is gonna eat for the next year is not only going to be practically free, but vegan organic as well. :hump:
someones on the way to self reliance!that bed must be buzzin with all that good micro-bacteria etc,that soiunds like a lot of work though,a lot.either way man thats pretty cool for you and your family,way to handle biz!
 

+ WitchDoctor +

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Apoligize in advance if this ws already stated my phones uber slow at loading pages but from my reading mycos don't die from high p count they hibernate and its only a certain strand of mycos ( I can look it up in my book if u wish) but the strand doesn't die it hibernates, not because it doesn't like p but because its only job is to bring p to the roots that isn't found in the soil by decomposing and eating other microbes that contain p. Its my understanding that they only go dormant because they have no use finding p if its readilly available and they come back when its not. (That's from teaming with microbes) also the guano I'm sure brings no disease from the roots however considering how much circulation we have in our grows I'm sure some of the nasties from guano eventually attatch to the bud itself thus causing us to combust and inhale it
Hi IggyZag. I haven't read "Teaming With Microbes" yet, but it's on my list. So that being said I'm not going to pretend I know more than you already do about the effects of high P on the microherd. But I can probably do you one better and give you a link to another veganics thread where there was a pretty good conversation going about exactly what you're asking. https://www.rollitup.org/organics/364864-vegan-organics-aka-veganics-matt-206.html Check that out and let me know if it doesn't answer your question. :-P

I think it's third post on that page, and then onto the next page. Lot's of info.
 
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