Penn To Obama on Marijuana "he would not be president under his policies"

[Dr Kynes]

ok kinda confused after reading that ....^^^^^^ then this



let me explain... you say that you once grafted a rose in botany class in 1978, but yet you graduated in 1987 ( early in fact) at the age of 16. you grafted a rose when you where 7 in your second grade botany class...Dude

it mighta been 79 or 80. 4 H club bro. i raised and slaughtered a pig in the 6th grade or so as well.

let me clear up the confusion. California High School, Proficiency Exam, you can take it at 16, passing this test indicates a proficiency that would place one in the top 10% of the graduating class of that year. It is treated legally as a diploma, not a GED. I took the test, and passed it in the spring of 87. less than a week after my 16th birthday. shit like that happens in the country. I wasnt goin to college without a football scholarship, no matter what grades i had, and when your family is broke, ya get a job. in my 19th year my grandpappy took me to firebaugh for a year to teach me what farmin is really all about. he thought i would try and go to college, i decided i liked farm work. turns out that wasnt the smart move. story of my life.

 

[londonfog]

it mighta been 79 or 80. 4 H club bro. i raised and slaughtered a pig in the 6th grade or so as well.

let me clear up the confusion. California High School, Proficiency Exam, you can take it at 16, passing this test indicates a proficiency that would place one in the top 10% of the graduating class of that year. It is treated legally as a diploma, not a GED. I took the test, and passed it in the spring of 87. less than a week after my 16th birthday. shit like that happens in the country. I wasnt goin to college without a football scholarship, no matter what grades i had, and when your family is broke, ya get a job. in my 19th year my grandpappy took me to firebaugh for a year to teach me what farmin is really all about. he thought i would try and go to college, i decided i liked farm work. turns out that wasnt the smart move. story of my life.

yeah whatever dude..keep it real or keep it moving

 

[Dr Kynes]

yeah whatever dude..keep it real or keep it moving

if you dont want to know, dont ask. i may be country but i aint no fool. my political reasoning is grounded in the reality i see every day. farmers loosing land their family has worked for 100 years to pay the taxes when grandpa dies. county aassesors levying taxes on what a big city developer says he might pay for a similar plot, not what the land provides. banks making loans with impossible repayment plans designed to separeate the farmer from his land, and giant agricorps demanding payment for GMO pollen that drifted into your feilds.

this may not sit well with your world view but its a fact of life on farms around the country. why some of us even grow cannabis to supplement our income, and maybe pay off a few debts. unless the feds catch us, then its all gone.

 

[Carne Seca]

thats how i roll. my opposition to obama bests even my hatred for romney's creepy uncle smile and his dopey belief in drug prohibition. If Ron Paul was still in it, or if he was the nominee i would be out stumping, going door to door, and kissing hands and shaking babies for Ron but since its romney or nothing, ill write in ron paul unless the miracle happens and i have to vote against the Aloof One


Obama's negatives are just too high. i cant vote for him, even if it means i gotta push the button for romney to keep his ass out.

You do realize that Romney's stance on Cannabis isn't only political but religious as well, right? He will do all he can to destroy the Medical Cannabis programs already in place. He has said this. He is on record. Romney would not only be a disaster for Cannabis legalization but he would be a disaster for this nation. He should not be running this country and this is coming from a fellow Mormon.

 

[Corso312]

if you dont want to know, dont ask. i may be country but i aint no fool. my political reasoning is grounded in the reality i see every day. farmers loosing land their family has worked for 100 years to pay the taxes when grandpa dies. county aassesors levying taxes on what a big city developer says he might pay for a similar plot, not what the land provides. banks making loans with impossible repayment plans designed to separeate the farmer from his land, and giant agricorps demanding payment for GMO pollen that drifted into your feilds.

this may not sit well with your world view but its a fact of life on farms around the country. why some of us even grow cannabis to supplement our income, and maybe pay off a few debts. unless the feds catch us, then its all gone.

not sure about cali...but in most of the country taxes are next to nothing on agriculture land...if it is zoned residential or commercial the taxes are insanely high... farmers are some of the biggest abusers of the system with agricultural welfare in the country.

 

[UncleBuck]

not sure about cali...but in most of the country taxes are next to nothing on agriculture land...if it is zoned residential or commercial the taxes are insanely high... farmers are some of the biggest abusers of the system with agricultural welfare in the country.

nodrama still won't tell me how much he took in government subsidies on his 160 acres of corn. my guess is in the $2800 - $3000 area.

 

[Dr Kynes]

not sure about cali...but in most of the country taxes are next to nothing on agriculture land...if it is zoned residential or commercial the taxes are insanely high... farmers are some of the biggest abusers of the system with agricultural welfare in the country.

property taxes overall are pretty low for agricultural land, but county assessors enjoy rezoning, and reassessing land which is actively being farmed into ag/commercial or ag/residential to squeeze the small farmer. when sac county built Arco arena all the farms around there suddenly found themselves in prime real-estate for tax purposes. now, its mostly empty fields marked for sale, commercial. then theres the airport. and the new developments by natomas. etc... but thats not the real farm killer, it's the inheritance tax. when my grandpappy died his "estate" was valued at nearly 4 million for tax purposes. by the time we sold off all his property, it paid the taxes and thats pretty much it. all i got left from him is 3 guns, and his old dodge truck. not a lot for a multi-millionaire. as for agricultural welfare, youre talkin about agribusiness. who never pay the estate tax, and rake in huge sacks of cash from subsidies. corn subsidies are currently 28 cents a bushel, with a guaranteed minumum of 58 cents a bushel. so if the price of corn goes to 0 you get 58 cents per bushel avg yeild for corn is 40-60 bu/acre. if we take the median, of 50 bu/acre we get a total subsidy of $14/acre. if you got 100 acre thats $140 added to your bushel price in a direct payment from the federal government since corn is currently running at around $3 a bushel, the subsidy is peanuts., less than +10% of your spot price. small farmers cant even make their mortgage on commodity corn. The only corn that can make it pay is direct sale corn to you, the corn on the cob eater at ~25 cents an ear or, $7.50 a bushel at a farmers market or roadside stand. ADM and Conagra et.al. can dump out couple million acres and suddenly that 28 cents a bushel starts really paying off.

for contrast, un-subsidized barley is running at ~$6 a bushel with average yields in the 66 bushels per acre range. so one acre of corn gets you about $131.20 on average subsidy included but one acre of barley crops out to $360.00 with no subsidy at commodity prices

in brief, subsidies are for giant company farms, not the small farmer. EVER

 

[Corso312]

that is interesting..i thought the subsidies would be more...the inheritance tax is just another gov fuckup ..they want their cut when land changes title... they always want a cut..they are greedy sob's ..that sucks about your family getting raped on that deal...maybe time to lose the corn and grow watermelons or pumpkins or something...tomatoes? ...i thought the gov was paying farmers to grow corn

 

[UncleBuck]

...i thought the gov was paying farmers to grow corn

they are. about $7 billion annually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy#United_States

 

[Corso312]

thought so...there can't be that many farmers getting those bushel prices and it adds up to 7 billion...someone is making more per bushel somewhere .

 

[Dr Kynes]

that is interesting..i thought the subsidies would be more...the inheritance tax is just another gov fuckup ..they want their cut when land changes title... they always want a cut..they are greedy sob's ..that sucks about your family getting raped on that deal...maybe time to lose the corn and grow watermelons or pumpkins or something...tomatoes? ...i thought the gov was paying farmers to grow corn

I dont grow for commodity i grow for the farmers markets on a little less then an acre now. tomatoes, watermelons muskmelons strawberries and fresh herbs. at a farmer's market, even corn can make it pay but corn doesnt grow well in small plots.

the govt does pay people to grow crops, including corn wheat soybeans etc... to encourage growing of crops that are generally not as profitable, and stabilize the market. (imagine what your supermarket would look like if every farm in the country only grew barley this year...) Giant corporate farms with first rate harvesting equipment and economies of scale sized packing houses can turn a mighty fat profit off even corn subsidies. as acreage goes up, costs to manage each acre drop alarmingly. so even a 10% bump from a subsidy can fill your pockets pretty quick

 

[billybob420]

I dont grow for commodity i grow for the farmers markets on a little less then an acre now. tomatoes, watermelons muskmelons strawberries and fresh herbs. at a farmer's market, even corn can make it pay but corn doesnt grow well in small plots.

the govt does pay people to grow crops, including corn wheat soybeans etc... to encourage growing of crops that are generally not as profitable, and stabilize the market. (imagine what your supermarket would look like if every farm in the country only grew barley this year...) Giant corporate farms with first rate harvesting equipment and economies of scale sized packing houses can turn a mighty fat profit off even corn subsidies. as acreage goes up, costs to manage each acre drop alarmingly. so even a 10% bump from a subsidy can fill your pockets pretty quick

The vast majority of corn is used to make shit food with high profits.

 

[Dr Kynes]

thought so...there can't be that many farmers getting those bushel prices and it adds up to 7 billion...someone is making more per bushel somewhere .

$7 billion is a low estimate for corn. Buck probably included the direct subsidy, the crop insurance subsidy, crop insurance guarantee program, minimum price guarantee program etc... but the sheer volume of corn grown each year is staggering.

heres the real numbers from US dept of agriculture:

in 2011 13.2 billion bushels of corn was harvested (source USDA)
at 28 cents a bushel, the real subsidy for corn (source USDA)
thats $3.696 billion in actual payments to farmers for corn, including the giant agribusinesses. (source Mathematics)

the other programs can add to the total number nationwide, but its not an addition for the farmer, its an Either/Or proposition

crop insurance doesnt do anything but cost unless your crop gets washed away by a flood or pounded into the dirt by a hailstorm etc...

the minimum crop price guarantee only comes into play if the price for corn drops below 58cents a bushel (currently around $3/bushel)

the crop insurance guarantee program only works when your crop insurance company goes tits up


you get the picture. $ 3.7 billion in actual subsidies for corn, and the rest of buck's $7 billion (or $3.3 billion) is for flooded out crops and other programs which may or may not be corn. when a field gets washed away, and crop insurance pays out, you can add that number to "subsidies" under soybeans, wheat corn or even all 3 if the politician is asshole enough.

 

[Corso312]

i heard farmers shoot a couple bottle rockets into a field when there is a bad drought and their yield is going to suck to get that insurance payoff....i also heard that all the corn i see in the fields is feed corn..meant for animals..do only small farms produce sweet corn? i just moved to michigan and bought some corn seeds ..maybe 5 packages ..not sure how many inside yet..have not opened em...read on the back ..it is a hybryd and 90 days to finish..plant in rows no shorter than 5 feet long and no less than 20 inches apart..they have to seed each other?...also heard corn is a man made creation and did not exist in the wild until man made it?....

 

[UncleBuck]

i heard farmers shoot a couple bottle rockets into a field when there is a bad drought and their yield is going to suck to get that insurance payoff....i also heard that all the corn i see in the fields is feed corn..meant for animals..do only small farms produce sweet corn? i just moved to michigan and bought some corn seeds ..maybe 5 packages ..not sure how many inside yet..have not opened em...read on the back ..it is a hybryd and 90 days to finish..plant in rows no shorter than 5 feet long and no less than 20 inches apart..they have to seed each other?...also heard corn is a man made creation and did not exist in the wild until man made it?....

we have changed corn as we know it. see here.

https://www.rollitup.org/gardening/530687-mutant-corn-year.html

yes, when the corn goes into 'tassle' the pollen or whatever the fuck the stuff is on top falls into the folds of the other corn (or something, fuck if i know) and boom, you got yourself an ear of corn.

i'm all set up for this year.

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[Dr Kynes]

i heard farmers shoot a couple bottle rockets into a field when there is a bad drought and their yield is going to suck to get that insurance payoff....i also heard that all the corn i see in the fields is feed corn..meant for animals..do only small farms produce sweet corn? i just moved to michigan and bought some corn seeds ..maybe 5 packages ..not sure how many inside yet..have not opened em...read on the back ..it is a hybryd and 90 days to finish..plant in rows no shorter than 5 feet long and no less than 20 inches apart..they have to seed each other?...also heard corn is a man made creation and did not exist in the wild until man made it?....

burnin out your feild before drought kills it off is sound practice, but doin it for crop insurance payout is prison time. just like any insurance fraud.

Most of the corn you see in the midwest is maize, starchy big kernel corn. most of it is dried, and used as cattle feed, cracked for chicken feed, or ground into cornmeal. quite a lot of it is fermented into ethanol for fuel as well. sweet corn is different, and thats what youll be growin


corn is a funny plant, its quite sociable, and only grows well when surrounded by other corn plants. it roots shallow, but grows tall, so wind is a problem. corn grows best in close groups, so their roots can intertwine and they can hold each other up. after they get about 5-6 feet tall, a big feathery top comes out and drops big fluffy pollen sacks onto the broad leaves below. thats where the corn ears pop out. a solitary corn plant will be vulnerable to wind, and make very few ears, but a plant surrounded by friends will grow taller and stronger, and make many more ears. in a small patch, a square of corn plants set around 10 inches apart will produce really well for you. youll get more corn from the middle than the outside edges, but you can also hand pollinate the nodes by picking off the pollen sacs from the tassel on top and tucking them into the little spaces at the base of the broad leaves. most of them will make ears for you then. dont do too many on one plant, more than 4-5 ears per plant and they start to get scraggly and small.

corn, like all domestic plants is very different from it's natural ancestors, just like dachshunds are different from timber wolves. there are still native corn plants growing wild, but you wont recognize them as such.

growing corn is easy and fun, and tasty as hell too. in michigan, NOW is when you should be planting. wait too long and youll be watching them freeze before they are ripe.

 

[Dr Kynes]

we have changed corn as we know it. see here.

https://www.rollitup.org/gardening/530687-mutant-corn-year.html

yes, when the corn goes into 'tassle' the pollen or whatever the fuck the stuff is on top falls into the folds of the other corn (or something, fuck if i know) and boom, you got yourself an ear of corn.

i'm all set up for this year.

Good lookin patch Buck. what variety is that? also, big props on the sunflower! what else you growing?

 

[UncleBuck]

Good lookin patch Buck. what variety is that? also, big props on the sunflower! what else you growing?

that was last year's patch, my effort this year promises to be more solid, i have the chickens fenced off.

this year i have "sunglow" for the early corn and some bicolor for the late color. mammoth grey stripe sunflowers again this year, just about 3 times as many.

the perimeter of my property is as follows:
carrots
potatoes
catnip
sunflowers
artichoke
tomatoes (roma and oregon spring, a dozen plants total)
strawberry
lettuce (4 varieties)
radishes are harvested and pickled already
herb garden (parsley, oregano, basil, thyme, mint, rosemary)
zucchini squash
lemon cucumber
marketmore cucumber
jack o lantern pumpkins
butternut squash
cantaloupe
watermelon (sugarbaby and crimson something)
more sunflowers
corn
pole beans and sugar snap peas
more sunflowers
more potatoes (yukon gold, russet, california white, pontiac red)
walla walla onions
blueberries (4 types)
sweet potato
some extra strawberries out of reach from the birds
beets

 

[desert dude]

yep, obama should have acted unilaterally and spent his political capital on rescheduling cannabis. no way that would have lead to any "dictator obama" backlash sort of "soft on drugs" label that would have paved the way for sir willard.

as we all know, presidents and presidents alone have been what we owe our progress to entirely. it's not like we the people got out there and collected signatures to get initiatives on the ballot that we then approved. anybody espousing that theory is a crackpot and a troll.

So, I am supposed to vote for a politician who doesn't enact policies that I want enacted because I am afraid some other politician might get elected and not enact policies I want enacted? Such is the bizarre thinking of the Obama fellators.

Here is a better idea: If a politician fails to respect a fundamental precept of liberty, the right to own your own body, then vote against him. The only way to make politicians take a liberal (the classic liberal sort, not the state worshiping progressive sort) stance is send the fucker packing when he sides with the stazi. All of this, "he can't do anything because of congress, or, he won't fuck us quite so hard in his second term" blather is simple-minded, or dishonest.

If you believe in basic liberties, then you can't vote for Obama or Romney. It is that simple.

 

[Dr Kynes]

artichoke? man, you crazy!!! i planted artichoke once, NEVER AGAIN!

My strawberries are by the fence with a bird netting over em (with aluminium foil tags here and there so the birds dont get tangled up) why you growin roma tomatoes? beefsteak and supersteaks are where the flavor lives! and the purple cheyennes are sweeeeeeeeet!

I got:
Genovese Basil
French Parsley
Lemon Thyme (delicious and super popular at the market!!)
French Lavender
Italian Parsley
Bee Balm
Rosemary
Oregano
Peppermint
Chocolate Mint
Winter Mint
Mesculin (lettuce not cactus)
Red Leaf Lettuce
Arugula
Butter Lettuce
Chard
Spinach
Strawberries (4 types)
Stevia (experimental, gonna try cooking it into a syrup like agave)
Pineapple (2 year experimental indoor/outdoor project)
Passionfruit
Muskmelon
Watermelon (sugarbaby and black globe)
Elephant Garlic
Chives
White Onions
Shallots (neighbor's dog dug these up)
Tomatoes (Beefsteak, Supersteak, Big Boy, Better Boy, Celebrity, Sweet 100 Cherry, Cheyenne Purple, and soon, Mr Stripey!)
Potatoes (just russets)
Carrots
Kaffir Lime
Black Cherry
Apricot
Almond
Lemon (improved meyer and ponderosa)
Prickly Pear Cactus (delicious but extremely aggressive in expansion and a pain in the ass to harvest)
Grape (flame and thompson seedless table grapes second year so prolly not much yet)