trayvan martin

[ginjawarrior]

SYG law does not make a distinction between fear for ones life and actual danger. The only thing one needs in order to invoke the protection of the SYG law is "Fear". Case closed.

cant you read? illegal has several times said trayvon was trying to kill zimmerman not that zimmerman was in fear of his life i was making the distinction between the 2 and you thought you repoint that out to me??

 

[NoDrama]

Yup Trayvon was SYG to a creepy, perverted bald guy that kept following him around. To bad the creepy guy also had a gun..Case opened with the creepy guy facing charges.

Hey, that could be totally true, all you need is Trayvon to make such an assertion. Oh wait, dead people tell no tales.

 

[londonfog]

Hey, that could be totally true, all you need is Trayvon to make such an assertion. Oh wait, dead people tell no tales.

WOW... Remember Karma she can be a real bitch

 

[NoDrama]

cant you read? illegal has several times said trayvon was trying to kill zimmerman not that zimmerman was in fear of his life i was making the distinction between the 2 and you thought you repoint that out to me??

Nope, can't read a single word of the stupid illogical sense you try to make, it is akin to mucking around in ones own vomit trying to discern how many ears of corn you really ate. Zimmerman invokes SYG, which means he was in fear for his LIFE, not his wallet or his dignity or anything else you think he was. Were you unaware of that fact?

 

[NoDrama]

WOW... Remember Karma she can be a real bitch

Karma is an action or deed. There is no Karma effect from debating anything that you disagree with. I can talk about killing kittens all day long, but its just all talk until I actually do something.

 

[NoDrama]

um thats out of your mouth..not mine...I would lock that crazy azz child up until he became 21 in juvenile then transport him to adult prison..ask me what I would do before you ASSume. What now Taryvon was raping and stabbing girls now...geezzzz you people

so a 18 year old with no job, who still lives at home with mommy and daddy and is still a Junior in High school is a man?

 

[londonfog]

Karma is an action or deed. There is no Karma effect from debating anything that you disagree with. I can talk about killing kittens all day long, but its just all talk until I actually do something.

you typing bullshit is an action. You talking is an action. If you TALK about killing kittens..yes you are doing something ( Talking ) evil against kittens..hmmmmm maybe thats why you get no pussy.

 

[londonfog]

so a 18 year old with no job, who still lives at home with mommy and daddy and is still a Junior in High school is a man?

ok you just got moved to the "I'm dumb as fuck " category. Go back and read and see just how that can't even come close to what I said..In fact its the opposite.

 

[NoDrama]

you typing bullshit is an action. You talking is an action. If you TALK about killing kittens..yes you are doing something ( Talking ) evil against kittens..hmmmmm maybe thats why you get no pussy.

I love to watch you try and make logical sense.
[video=youtube;bryMzNnqj64]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bryMzNnqj64&feature=related[/video]

 

[budleydoright]

Does anyone have gun story that has a happy ending? Do a search on accidental shootings, they happen all the time. some fool leaves a loaded weapon out and a child shoots his little brother. Now do the same search in states like Colorado, Texas, Florida etc... were the gun lobby has been real effective. It's a fucking tragady that repeats itself over and over again.

Again, I'm about as anti gun as I am anti heroin. If you want to have something around that will kill you or a loved one if you make a mistake with it that's your business. You start trolling my neighborhood looking for trouble (yes, Zimmerman was looking for trouble wasn't he) it becomes my business. I have a child that plays in that neighnorhood and I'm of the opinion that anyone that feels they need a concealed weapon to feel safe is a fucking lunatic who has put the value of his life above all of the others around him.

SYG and MMD laws are passed to allow these untrained gun owners carte blanche to walk around packing heat. It's bullshit, we are not all safer when we are all armed.

So please all you zimmerman type law enforcer wanna be's don't do me any favors and protect my property. It isn't as valuable as a human life, especially a childs even if that child has strayed from the law a bit. I don't want that blood on my hands.

 

[NoDrama]

ok you just got moved to the "I'm dumb as fuck " category. Go back and read and see just how that can't even come close to what I said..In fact its the opposite.

So he is a child?

 

[ginjawarrior]

ok ill spell it out for you

He was old enough to be tried as an adult, which he would have been for killing Zimmerman had Z not been armed.

here is illegal saying zimmerman would have died without his gun. now notice in my post i whether zimmermans injuries indicate that he was on way to dying.
notice the bolded part? im speculating that zimmerman had fear for his life (the justification for stand your ground) i.e martin was the aggressor zimmerman got scared.
but even if zimmerman was scared it doesnt mean he was in danger of death thats why im asking illegal for evidence that zimmerman was at deaths door so to speak

zimmerman would have dead eh? with what evidence are you basing this on?
was it that even tho he had minor cuts to his head the didnt appear to be any lumping that i personally would expect if his head was being hit that hard.
or was it that the ambulance called for zimmerman got turned round as it wasnt needed?

even if trayvon was the aggressor and zimmerman was in fear of his life it doesnt automatically mean his life is in danger

my oh my that young man martin nearly brutalized that poor zimmerman boy to death. praise da babby jeebus for those concealed carry laws praise jeebus
^i wasnt sure where that last bit came from as i was typing its but i couldnt help but think praise jeebus for concealed hallelujah!!

heres illegal repeating the "he tried to kill him claim"

What difference does it make how much of a "kid" he was? He tried to kill a man. Any of us would have fought back with any means we had.

I scorn people who say it is a tragedy, and then keep politicizing it. If Martin had been white, none of us would ever have heard about it.

and again

Let me say that I can see you are an intellect to be reckoned with. I can always tell that with the use of "idiot" and "retard." Name calling is the effort of a feeble mind trying to express itself forcefully.

Martin tried to kill Zimmerman. The burden of proof is on the prosecution to PROVE that is not the case. Why he tried to kill him is completely irrelevant. One has the right to self-defense without needing to first delve into the mind of the attacker.

again i ask for proof that zimmerman life was actually in danger (rather than the perceived danger required for stand your ground)

lol proof of zimmermans near death?? remember the ambulance called for zimmerman was canceled didnt even need to attend...

heres illegal not giving proof of trayvon actually trying to kill ( rather than zimmermans perception)

Not relevant. Haven't you read any of the law on this? Self-defense doesn't require ANY injury. Of course, in this case there was substantial injury, combined with Martin actually saying he was going to kill him.

i repeat the that he missed

zimmerman would have dead eh? with what evidence are you basing this on?
was it that even tho he had minor cuts to his head the didnt appear to be any lumping that i personally would expect if his head was being hit that hard.
or was it that the ambulance called for zimmerman got turned round as it wasnt needed?

even if trayvon was the aggressor and zimmerman was in fear of his life it doesnt automatically mean his life is in danger

my oh my that young man martin nearly brutalized that poor zimmerman boy to death. praise da babby jeebus for those concealed carry laws praise jeebus
^i wasnt sure where that last bit came from as i was typing its but i couldnt help but think praise jeebus for concealed hallelujah!!

i made the text bigger cause you seemed to miss it last time...

got a link for the "Martin actually saying he was going to kill him." i did a quick google yet it seems to be a statment from zimmermans dad

now again can anyone here actually show zimmerman was in real danger of his life rather than just the pecieved danger (which again is all you need for stand your ground)

 

[Harrekin]

ok you just got moved to the "I'm dumb as fuck " category. Go back and read and see just how that can't even come close to what I said..In fact its the opposite.

He was making the point that a year doesn't make a difference and that your notion that someone who is 17 and who turns 18 magically becomes a man even with no other lifestyle changes is "dumb as fuck".

Not taking sides, just arguing over who is a "man" is subjective. I wouldn't consider anyone a man until they actually start in the world alone. I'd call a 15 year old with a job more of a man than a 25 year old mooching and living with Mama and Dada personally.

 

[Mindmelted]

Does anyone have gun story that has a happy ending?

Again, I'm about as anti gun as I am anti heroin. If you want to have something around that will kill you or a loved one if you make a mistake with it that's your business. You start trolling my neighborhood looking for trouble (yes, Zimmerman was looking for trouble wasn't he) it becomes my business. I have a child that plays in that neighnorhood and I'm of the opinion that anyone that feels they need a concealed weapon to feel safe is a fucking lunatic who has put the value of his life above all of the others around him.

 

[NoDrama]

Does anyone have gun story that has a happy ending?

Again, I'm about as anti gun as I am anti heroin. If you want to have something around that will kill you or a loved one if you make a mistake with it that's your business. You start trolling my neighborhood looking for trouble (yes, Zimmerman was looking for trouble wasn't he) it becomes my business. I have a child that plays in that neighnorhood and I'm of the opinion that anyone that feels they need a concealed weapon to feel safe is a fucking lunatic who has put the value of his life above all of the others around him.

People drive cars around your neighborhood all day long, you have never done shit about it.

43,000 people killed in a car accident last year
12,652 murders by firearm last year.

254,000,000 passenger vehicles in USA
200,000,000 Firearms

Vehicles are 4 times more likely to kill than some crazy with a gun.

You should get out there and do something about all those people driving their weapons around your neighborhood.

Also, 32,300 children died last year from poisoning after eating or drinking chemicals found in the home. Might wanna turn some of that anger around on your self if you have cleaning chemicals in your home since you are endangering your child at a rate 3 times as much as if you pointed a loaded gun at their heads.

 

[londonfog]

Does anyone have gun story that has a happy ending?

Again, I'm about as anti gun as I am anti heroin. If you want to have something around that will kill you or a loved one if you make a mistake with it that's your business. You start trolling my neighborhood looking for trouble (yes, Zimmerman was looking for trouble wasn't he) it becomes my business. I have a child that plays in that neighnorhood and I'm of the opinion that anyone that feels they need a concealed weapon to feel safe is a fucking lunatic who has put the value of his life above all of the others around him.

I have to disagree here, but do understand your point. I myself I'm a responsible gun-owner and CCW as well. The key word is responsible. I understand gun safety and teach it to my household as well. I'm CCW due to sometimes I transport money from my business to banks myself. I don't feel the need to carry it always ( like just going to Target), but I do when I have large sums of money on person, going out of state ( only if the state recognize my CCW..poo on Ill).

 

[Illegal Smile]

ginja, We can't talk about this if you are going to talk about what might have been and I'm going to talk about who has to PROVE what under the law. The law doesn't say your right to self defense is based on you being injured to x or y extent. In fact, as I made clear, it doesn't require any injury at all. All it requires is that the individual says he feared for his life. At that point, the law assumes that to be true, until it is proven untrue. That is, the prosecution has the "burden of proof" to show that it was NOT self-defense.

Hey, "maybe" Z really was out to shoot 'im a hoodie. Maybe he chased Martin with gun drawn. It's just speculation unless you can prove it, and there appears to be no evidence. That's why the case is going to be thrown out before it goes to trial, and why Martin will make millions on a book.

 

[ginjawarrior]

ginja, We can't talk about this if you are going to talk about what might have been and I'm going to talk about who has to PROVE what under the law. The law doesn't say your right to self defense is based on you being injured to x or y extent. In fact, as I made clear, it doesn't require any injury at all. All it requires is that the individual says he feared for his life. At that point, the law assumes that to be true, until it is proven untrue. That is, the prosecution has the "burden of proof" to show that it was NOT self-defense.

Hey, "maybe" Z really was out to shoot 'im a hoodie. Maybe he chased Martin with gun drawn. It's just speculation unless you can prove it, and there appears to be no evidence. That's why the case is going to be thrown out before it goes to trial, and why Martin will make millions on a book.

i agree that the law does not need actual injuries just the fear for stand your ground to apply and i have done since the beginning of this exchange

yet all of that is seperate from these claims made by you "He tried to kill a man" "Martin tried to kill Zimmerman." you write this as if its been unequivocally proven (it isnt even damn necessary for stand your ground to apply)
even if trayvon did attack zimmerman even if zimmerman shat himself and thought he was going to die and had every right to invoke stand your ground
i havent seen any evidence that zimmermans life was in real danger something you keep repeating"He tried to kill a man"...

do you get it this time?

 

[budleydoright]

I have to disagree here, but do understand your point. I myself I'm a responsible gun-owner and CCW as well. The key word is responsible. I understand gun safety and teach it to my household as well. I'm CCW due to sometimes I transport money from my business to banks myself. I don't feel the need to carry it always ( like just going to Target), but I do when I have large sums of money on person, going out of state ( only if the state recognize my CCW..poo on Ill).

I appreciate people like you and I would do the same in your situation. Like I said I'm not anti gun. There are reaonable people who use their tools properly
and train themselves in safe use. then their are those who just think it's as simple as having a gun.

 

[londonfog]

He was making the point that a year doesn't make a difference and that your notion that someone who is 17 and who turns 18 magically becomes a man even with no other lifestyle changes is "dumb as fuck".

Not taking sides, just arguing over who is a "man" is subjective. I wouldn't consider anyone a man until they actually start in the world alone. I'd call a 15 year old with a job more of a man than a 25 year old mooching and living with Mama and Dada personally.

I understood exactly what he was saying ... and my bases was not on just the one year alone...If you are 21 living with your parent and not paying bills, not going to school..You still a man but a sorry lazy ass one...Now if you are 18 and only a junior in highschool we have a problem.