trayvan martin
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CCW cannot be taken into bars. I love the people that scorn the laws, but don't even know them. Zimmerman used his firearm correctly and responsibly.
budleydoright
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From the "Only No comprimise Gun Lobby In Washington" The article doesn't give fact only opinion, however I'm willing to believe some of the stats they show at the bottom of the page. If those numbers are true that's great but I Personally do not know one person who can tell me a story about how they ran off an attacker with a gun. I do however know 2 mothers who's sons were murdered and one who's son comitted murder, I had a friend whos dad shot him, another friend who accidentaly shot himself and a high school classmate who killed 5 people. They're all dead. So my common sense tells me that if guns saved more than they killed it would likely have touched my life in one way or another.
I still have the same viewpoint on the subject. I don't want an untrained person wandering my neighborhood with a gun in his pants under the pretense of offering protection. That doesn't mean i don't want you to excercise your right to ownership. I do believe that these laws are emboldining people and are designed to sell guns. My opposition to these laws has nothing to do wth your 2nd amedment rights.
My home was invaded by several people about 15 years ago, they got away with nothing after my Glock was shoved in their faces.
To get a CCW permit you must have the necessary training or the sheriff won't sign off on it. You should really do more research before you post. You can't just get a CCW permit simply by asking. you have to take the classes, pass the tests and be able to demonstrate proper procedure plus there has to be a background check and your fingerprints must be run through a database. That all happens before you ever get the CCW permit. Zimmerman was well qualified and trained.
edit: Your statement about this being nothing more than a way to sell more guns is just a MSM talking point, you didn't come up with that on your own.
UncleBuck
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budleydoright
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Oh really:
(Reuters) - Ohio Republican Governor John Kasich on Thursday signed into law a bill that allows gun owners in the state to carry concealed weapons into bars and other places where alcohol is served.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/30/us-ohio-guns-idUSTRE75T7BX20110630
Tennessee is one of four states, along with Arizona, Georgia and Virginia, that recently enacted laws explicitly allowing loaded guns in bars. (Eighteen other states allow weapons in restaurants that serve alcohol.) The new measures in Tennessee and the three other states come after two landmark Supreme Court rulings that citizens have an individual right — not just in connection with a well-regulated militia — to keep a loaded handgun for home
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/04/us/04guns.html
Who would have guessed Tennesee and Arizona would be in there, I'm surprized Florida isn't as well.
the same lobby that is spreading SYG is working on this one too. I am aware that it is currently against the law in my state.
So do these people represent the responsible gun owners in America or do they rep for the gun makers?
There was no chase, if that had happened Trayvon would have eaten skittles that evening. Don't try to tell me that you can outrun a 17 year old football player who has a 300 meter head start..
Harrekin
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It was a hollow point, it doesnt really cause traditional splatter, except inside the victim or unless it (as it rarely does in 9mm) causes exit wounds (note the plural).
Anyways he wouldn't have started bleeding out externally right away, there would've been plenty of time for Zimmerman to have pushed him off.
Not taking sides, just clearing that point up.
UncleBuck
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OMFG. we have one chase recorded on tape, you dullard. witnesses describe another chase at a later time. TWO chases.
Zimmerman:
OK.
These assholes. They always get away.
When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]
911 dispatcher:
OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse?
Zimmerman:
Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.
He’s running. [2:08]
911 dispatcher:
He’s running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman:
Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]
911 dispatcher:
OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?
Zimmerman:
The back entrance.
[It sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath, ‘F-ing coons’ at 2:22]
NOTE:
- [Listen here at 1:17 for CNN's edited frame]
Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman:
Yeah. [2:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK.
We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
MuyLocoNC
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First, you probably shouldn't use the transcript that includes the "fucking coons" reference as that has been debunked. Kind of kills the legitimacy of the whole thing, anyways...
I think No Dramas point was that if all that happened was a chase, as in Martin ran for home without stopping, and Zimmerman went after him, there would have been no altercation.
MuyLocoNC
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This might actually work in Zimmerman's favor. He has a history of following people home to see if they belong in the neighborhood, without confronting or shooting them.
It's absolutely plausible that Zimmerman was intending to follow Martin home and verify that he lives in the neighborhood without ever confronting him, that would still fall under the guidelines of "observe". Sometimes to continue "observing" you need to reposition yourself.
(hypothetical account to follow) Martin doesn't like the perfectly legal action of Zimmerman "observing" him and approaches and confronts him. All this fits the evidence so far, as well as Zimmerman's story. Maybe Zimmerman had no intention of confronting Martin at all, maybe he was just trying to "observe" him when he is approached and attacked by Martin. Doesn't seem far fetched at all, fits just as well as the "Zimmerman attacked Martin" theory. "These punks always get away", so I'm gonna continue to observe this guy until the police get here.
Refutations welcome, but don't try the "stalking" angle, continued "observation" over a timespan of a few minutes is perfectly legal and no justification for aggression.
Illegal Smile
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I can't believe there are 688 pages on this and you all are still kicking around speculation that would have no legal bearing whether it was true or not. None of the things attributed to Z without evidence would have created a license for Martin to have attacked him. No matter how much he was followed, or if Z called him a coon to the dispatcher, made it ok for Martin to attack him. So it was still self defense. You can't go around attacking people because they pisss you off. If you do and they shoot you, it's self defense.
Zimmerman walks and because of this effort to railroad him, he will be a millionaire. He deserves it for what he's been put through. Shame on all you racists who wouldn't have a thing to say if Martin had been white, or Z had been black!
Zimmerman walks and because of this effort to railroad him, he will be a millionaire. He deserves it for what he's been put through. Shame on all you racists who wouldn't have a thing to say if Martin had been white, or Z had been black!
doc111
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lmfao!!!!!!
Please show me where I EVER said that Trayvon was an adult! Minor is probably a better term than "kid" though. He was under the age of 18, which IMO, makes him a young man, or a minor, but I have a problem calling someone who is mere months away from legally dying for his country a "kid". BTW, you REALLY need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Maybe you and Bucky could do a little studying together. lol!
if martin had been white and Z black, Z would already be on death row.
doc111
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I've used my gun in self defense in 3 seperate incidents since I left the military. I've never had to fire it, just draw it. I have a CCW permit, but don't carry anymore. It's not really necessary nowadays as I'm now living outside the city quite a distance. The scariest thing that ever happened to me was a burglar broke into my home in the middle of the night. I heard noises and saw a flashlight dancing around the walls and ceilings of my bedroom. The burglar was actually in my room rifling through my shit as I slept! I grabbed my pistol, which was fortunately right by my bed and drew down on the burglar. It was enough to scare him off. I cringe to think what might have happened had I not had my trusty piece near my bed that night.
Illegal Smile
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I don't see how anyone with a straight face can say this case hasn't been loaded with race from the start. Immediately it was "oh boy, we have a white shoots black story, oh boy oh boy oh boy!!!! So from then on the liberal media portrayed it that was, in contradiction to all evidence, and they do so still today. Remember - the goal of librulism is always to convince you of something that isn't true or isn't real.
Attempt to school redivider: The difference between follow and chase is this - chase implies an intent to catch, follow does not and means monitor or be lead. But it doesn't matter, because chasing someone does not mean you forfeit your right to self defense. The libruls are UNWILLING to accept that fact. Remember what I told you about what isn't true and libruls?
Attempt to school redivider: The difference between follow and chase is this - chase implies an intent to catch, follow does not and means monitor or be lead. But it doesn't matter, because chasing someone does not mean you forfeit your right to self defense. The libruls are UNWILLING to accept that fact. Remember what I told you about what isn't true and libruls?
MuyLocoNC
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Awesome, on my nightstand I've got a 40 S&W Sig loaded with prefragmented Mag-Safe rounds in a biometric flip open safe for just that purpose. You're far more controlled than I am, if I woke up to an intruder in my home, he'd have two in his pump before you could say "Bob's your uncle".
doc111
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It was a pretty harrowing experience. I'm glad I didn't shoot the intruder, but I'm also glad I had my pistol so close. Maybe he would've tried to harm me, maybe he wouldn't have, but I'm thankful that everything turned out ok. Had he not turned and immediately left, I probably would've shot him.
doc111
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My foot is the only "burglary tool" needed to break into a house. I'm not a very large man either.
