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NoDrama

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londonfog said:
zimmerman is not innocent.When told we don't need you to follow he should have just went back to his truck...period. He did not because he wanted to catch the ones that always get away. When Trayvon attempted to SYG from the creepy Zimmerman...Zimmerman killed him
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LOL there is nothing ILLEGAL about dismissing the no authority having dispatcher and there is no law that prevents one from "Catching the assholes that always get away" either. To be found guilty you actually need to commit a CRIME!
 
desert dude

desert dude

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budleydoright said:
The evidence also shows that z was stalking m with out provocation. So it's basically who's left standing? that would make since as that would certainly drive handgun sales to new levels in the states that have that law. Which BTW wasn't written by a Florida law maker. It was another polished turd that was sold to the foolish masses by a lobby that is funded by gun makers and sellers.
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You are certainly welcome to your opinion but following is not stalking, and Zimmer had reason to ask young Martin about what he was doing in the neighborhood. The neighborhood was in the midst of a crime spree, multiple burglaries. The neighborhood formed a neighborhood watch for that very reason.

I don't follow your rant about handgun sales.

I fully support the SYG law. If you are assaulted and in danger of being beaten to death, why should you be imprisoned for defending your life?
 
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NoDrama

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londonfog said:
If Zimm wanted to be the police so bad why did he not just fill out an application.????
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He did you moron, just goes to show you really don't even know many of the facts. I am sure you get all your info from whichever TV station you watch the most, KDUM or KDUL.
 
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NoDrama

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budleydoright said:
The evidence also shows that z was stalking m with out provocation. So it's basically who's left standing? that would make since as that would certainly drive handgun sales to new levels in the states that have that law. Which BTW wasn't written by a Florida law maker. It was another polished turd that was sold to the foolish masses by a lobby that is funded by gun makers and sellers.
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Stalking refers to harassing or threatening behavior that is engaged in repeatedly. LOL its like trying to charge someone with 10 counts of murder because he shot the dude 10 times. Won't work.
 
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budleydoright

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desert dude said:
You are certainly welcome to your opinion but following is not stalking, and Zimmer had reason to ask young Martin about what he was doing in the neighborhood. The neighborhood was in the midst of a crime spree, multiple burglaries. The neighborhood formed a neighborhood watch for that very reason.

I don't follow your rant about handgun sales.

I fully support the SYG law. If you are assaulted and in danger of being beaten to death, why should you be imprisoned for defending your life?
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We already have laws to protect people who shoot in self defense. SYG is so you don't have to think before you shoot.
 
Illegal Smile

Illegal Smile

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budleydoright said:
We already have laws to protect people who shoot in self defense. SYG is so you don't have to think before you shoot.
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You are completely wrong about that. The law on self defense imposes a duty to retreat. In most states, that doesn't apply in your home - you don't have to retreat from your own home, you can shoot if "you" feel your life is in danger. But in some states, there is SYG which means you don't have to retreat in many situations outside your home. Mute in Zimmerman's case, since you can't very well retreat when you are on your back with an attacker on top of you beating your head on the ground.
 
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budleydoright

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NoDrama said:
LOL there is nothing ILLEGAL about dismissing the no authority having dispatcher and there is no law that prevents one from "Catching the assholes that always get away" either. To be found guilty you actually need to commit a CRIME!
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Again there's an assumption of guilt on martins part. It is not legal to go and "Catch" people who have done nothing wrong regardless of what you think they did or what has happened in your area previously.
 
tet1953

tet1953

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Illegal Smile said:
You are completely wrong about that. The law on self defense imposes a duty to retreat. In most states, that doesn't apply in your home - you don't have to retreat from your own home, you can shoot if "you" feel your life is in danger. But in some states, there is SYG which means you don't have to retreat in many situations outside your home. Mute in Zimmerman's case, since you can't very well retreat when you are on your back with an attacker on top of you beating your head on the ground.
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Zimmerman had a chance to "retreat" before it ever started. If, in fact, he did pursue Trayvon to question him or whatever, then it could be argued that Trayvon is the one who was standing his ground, or trying to before he was killed.

It is also possible that Zimmerman did actually return to his vehicle, and Trayvon followed Zimmerman, in which case yeah, Zimmerman would be totally not guilty.

It could have gone down a number of ways, some of which would exonerate Zimmerman and some that would not. We in the general public can speculate all we want, but we do not really know what happened. That's what trials are for.
 
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NoDrama

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budleydoright said:
Again there's an assumption of guilt on martins part. It is not legal to go and "Catch" people who have done nothing wrong regardless of what you think they did or what has happened in your area previously.
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Innocent people run away?

BTW it is 100% legal to follow people in order to ascertain whether or not they are doing something illegal. 100% LEGAL in every state in the nation!!!!!!!!! Zimmerman wasn't trying to "Catch " him, only close the distance enough to ask questions.

I Suppose you can't hear me yelling at you from here can you?
 
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NoDrama

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tet1953 said:
Zimmerman had a chance to "retreat" before it ever started. If, in fact, he did pursue Trayvon to question him or whatever, then it could be argued that Trayvon is the one who was standing his ground, or trying to before he was killed.

It is also possible that Zimmerman did actually return to his vehicle, and Trayvon followed Zimmerman, in which case yeah, Zimmerman would be totally not guilty.

It could have gone down a number of ways, some of which would exonerate Zimmerman and some that would not. We in the general public can speculate all we want, but we do not really know what happened. That's what trials are for.
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Retreat from what? SYG doesn't let you kill any person who comes near you, or did you not know that? SYG only lets you kill someone who IS THREATENING YOU WITH HARM!!!! If following someone means they are trying to kill you, then I guess there are gonna be a huge amount of SYG cases during the daily commute.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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NoDrama said:
He did you moron, just goes to show you really don't even know many of the facts. I am sure you get all your info from whichever TV station you watch the most, KDUM or KDUL.
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Idiot he applied for the Citizens police academy. http://www.scribd.com/heidi_vries/d/87064208-George-Zimmerman%E2%80%99s-application-for-the-Citizens-Police-Academy-in-2008 ( now called the Community police academy http://www.seminolesheriff.org/external/InfoSitepage.aspx?pageID=16)not the freakin Police Department. NOTE: This academy is not for law enforcement certification. It is offered for educational purposes only. There is no guarantee of employment within the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office upon completion of this course.
He wanted to join a volunteer program. My question is if he wanted to be the police why not just go apply for the real deal. The same web site that he filled out that, he could have filled out to become a Deputy Sheriff. Now again tell me about facts I don't know.
 
tet1953

tet1953

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It isn't quite that simple. I never said that Trayvon could use SYG simply because Zimmerman followed him.

Like I said before, if Trayvon did in fact circle around or whatever and approach Zimmerman, then Zimmerman isn't guilty of anything.

But, what if he did follow Trayvon, and confront him somehow? Zimmerman, the wannabe cop, maybe a little too authoritarian in his challenging Trayvon, and Trayvon the kid from the city with an attitude? So, push comes to shove and there's an altercation, and Trayvon winds up dead. In this scenario, Zimmerman had the last chance to avoid it all by not following Trayvon, especially after being discouraged from doing so by 911. Having done that, I do not think he has a case for SYG. I believe the authorities know that too, or wouldn't they have had the SYG hearing by now?
 
desert dude

desert dude

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tet1953 said:
It isn't quite that simple. I never said that Trayvon could use SYG simply because Zimmerman followed him.

Like I said before, if Trayvon did in fact circle around or whatever and approach Zimmerman, then Zimmerman isn't guilty of anything.

But, what if he did follow Trayvon, and confront him somehow? Zimmerman, the wannabe cop, maybe a little too authoritarian in his challenging Trayvon, and Trayvon the kid from the city with an attitude? So, push comes to shove and there's an altercation, and Trayvon winds up dead. In this scenario, Zimmerman had the last chance to avoid it all by not following Trayvon, especially after being discouraged from doing so by 911. Having done that, I do not think he has a case for SYG. I believe the authorities know that too, or wouldn't they have had the SYG hearing by now?
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In the scenario you paint, Zimmerman is innocent and legitimately shot Martin dead.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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desert dude said:
You are certainly welcome to your opinion but following is not stalking, and Zimmer had reason to ask young Martin about what he was doing in the neighborhood. The neighborhood was in the midst of a crime spree, multiple burglaries. The neighborhood formed a neighborhood watch for that very reason.

I don't follow your rant about handgun sales.

I fully support the SYG law. If you are assaulted and in danger of being beaten to death, why should you be imprisoned for defending your life?
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Actually Zimmermans job ended when he called 911 and was told not to follow.
 
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