Zimmerman bond revoked

londonfog

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It isn't quite that simple. I never said that Trayvon could use SYG simply because Zimmerman followed him.

Like I said before, if Trayvon did in fact circle around or whatever and approach Zimmerman, then Zimmerman isn't guilty of anything.

But, what if he did follow Trayvon, and confront him somehow? Zimmerman, the wannabe cop, maybe a little too authoritarian in his challenging Trayvon, and Trayvon the kid from the city with an attitude? So, push comes to shove and there's an altercation, and Trayvon winds up dead. In this scenario, Zimmerman had the last chance to avoid it all by not following Trayvon, especially after being discouraged from doing so by 911. Having done that, I do not think he has a case for SYG. I believe the authorities know that too, or wouldn't they have had the SYG hearing by now?
and guess who will be the Judge that presides over that hearing.....Judge Lester the same that revoke his freakin bond for being misleading and deceitful about monies he had at the time of his bond..Zimmerman fucked himself on that one.
 

Illegal Smile

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What would be the basis for denying SYG? The judge has to follow precedent and case law. The only basis for denying it is if if the person claiming SYG was trespassing at the time. Of course the judge will grant SYG and then the charges will be dropped.
 

chrishydro

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Actually Zimmermans job ended when he called 911 and was told not to follow.
When he was told to retreat they have his exact location as he had just told the operator where he was, the evidence will show him between that spot and his car. He was going back to the car and it will be proved when discovery is complete. Also note that the GF claimed she was on the phone with him yet there are no phone records in the evidence so far to support this. The whole deal is a shame, should have never happened period young man loses his life just horrible.
 

Mindmelted

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When he was told to retreat they have his exact location as he had just told the operator where he was, the evidence will show him between that spot and his car. He was going back to the car and it will be proved when discovery is complete. Also note that the GF claimed she was on the phone with him yet there are no phone records in the evidence so far to support this. The whole deal is a shame, should have never happened period young man loses his life just horrible.


When was he told to retreat??

I think you are making shit up!!!!!
 

Illegal Smile

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And the operator has ZERO authority to tell you to do anything.
That's a fact. I don't know what significance some people think that has. They seem to think it is like, "AHA! He was told not to follow, therefore when attacked he had no right to self defense." The fact is, the dispatcher suggested he not follow further, AND HE DIDN'T. But even if he had, it would still be self defense and SYG.
 

tet1953

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You think Lester will grant him SYG ..ok good luck
My understanding is that they have a special hearing to determine if SYG applies, and if so there is no crime. They have not scheduled such a hearing yet, so SYG probably won't even come into play. I don't think it will be part of the trial without the special hearing.
 

Illegal Smile

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My understanding is that they have a special hearing to determine if SYG applies, and if so there is no crime. They have not scheduled such a hearing yet, so SYG probably won't even come into play. I don't think it will be part of the trial without the special hearing.
There will be a SYG hearing. The only way there wouldn't be is if Z didn't claim SYG, which he has. So far, I've heard no-one suggest a cogent reason for not applying SYG. It obviously applies, based on many precedent cases it applies, it can't be denied.

Plus, you are wrong that if SYG applies, there is no crime. The SYG hearing just determines that SYG may be used in a trial as a defense. After SYG, there will be a motion to dismiss and another hearing. At this time a judge has to decide whether it goes to trial. That's where the whole charade ends.
 

londonfog

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My understanding is that they have a special hearing to determine if SYG applies, and if so there is no crime. They have not scheduled such a hearing yet, so SYG probably won't even come into play. I don't think it will be part of the trial without the special hearing.
The Judge that would preside over his SYG hearing is Lester.The same judge who revoke his bond for being misleading and not telling the truth at the bond hearing. I don't think that judge will be letting that liar claim SYG.
 

budleydoright

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And the operator has ZERO authority to tell you to do anything.
That's a fact. I don't know what significance some people think that has. They seem to think it is like, "AHA! He was told not to follow, therefore when attacked he had no right to self defense." The fact is, the dispatcher suggested he not follow further, AND HE DIDN'T. But even if he had, it would still be self defense and SYG.

Nobody has any authority over zimmerman, but somehow zimmerman had authority to follow martin. so if martin had a gun and blew away zimmerman and claimed syg your alright with that, but since he didn't have a gun and had to defend himself from an adult who had been following him with his bare hands your alright with zimmerman killing him. If zimmerman was following him, why doesn't martin have the same right, because he didn't have a gun?

I'm not suggesting that these are the facts, it's just if it played out that way, it's pretty fucked up that a guy can do that anywhere. Basically scare a teenager into defending himself and then blow him away if things don't go your way. Zimmerman deserved the ass kicking he received that night and they both would have slept in their own beds that night if Z didn't have that pistol. Martin wasn't the murderer that night, nor would he have become one. He would have run as fast as he could once he could get away from the situation.
 

londonfog

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There will be a SYG hearing. The only way there wouldn't be is if Z didn't claim SYG, which he has. So far, I've heard no-one suggest a cogent reason for not applying SYG. It obviously applies, based on many precedent cases it applies, it can't be denied.

Plus, you are wrong that if SYG applies, there is no crime. The SYG hearing just determines that SYG may be used in a trial as a defense. After SYG, there will be a motion to dismiss and another hearing. At this time a judge has to decide whether it goes to trial. That's where the whole charade ends.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/judge-says-no-in-trevor-dooley-stand-your-ground-case/1230020
 

budleydoright

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Lawyers don't suggest that Moody or Holder was swayed by the Trayvon Martin case, but they do believe the law, which was passed in 2005, has been misapplied in many cases and is now under intense scrutiny.
Said Kurpiers, "Judges are being careful."
Imagine that, let people carry guns, shoot people and claim SYG in a southern state and not have bubbas start a shootin and a claimin! I would bet there are more blacks on the receiving end....
 

Illegal Smile

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Nobody has any authority over zimmerman, but somehow zimmerman had authority to follow martin. so if martin had a gun and blew away zimmerman and claimed syg your alright with that, but since he didn't have a gun and had to defend himself from an adult who had been following him with his bare hands your alright with zimmerman killing him. If zimmerman was following him, why doesn't martin have the same right, because he didn't have a gun?

I'm not suggesting that these are the facts, it's just if it played out that way, it's pretty fucked up that a guy can do that anywhere. Basically scare a teenager into defending himself and then blow him away if things don't go your way. Zimmerman deserved the ass kicking he received that night and they both would have slept in their own beds that night if Z didn't have that pistol. Martin wasn't the murderer that night, nor would he have become one. He would have run as fast as he could once he could get away from the situation.
You're correct that it would be possible to provoke someone into attacking you, and then be within your legal rights to shoot them. The reason being is that the provocation cannot create license for the attack, and therefore the one being attack still has full self defense rights.
 
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