ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

I got my Boldt Bags today. The quality is off the chart. I used to think Bubble Bags were good, but these are way better. So good infact, I will be ordering the 190 and 120 to finish off my set.

I have Pineapple Express buds soaking right now. If I have time, I am going to do two more runs after this. One with PE trim and the other with WW trim. Can't wait to look at the finished product under my 100x microscope and find the best quality.:-P
 
trichmasta
-Ice Wax artists and scholar's-

Is 24 hours ok for the fresh freeze? My ladies are finishing Th and i had planned on trimmimg right into turkey bags, freeze for 24, then get my IwE on...:smile: Plus all my new gear from X-traktor will be here and ready to get down!:smile:​
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Definitely still a scholar but; Matt recommends somewhere in the thread to not just freeze it all in one big pile. Basically this is to maintain good surface area in the work bag (instead of a frozen mass, which when manually brrrr COLD HANDS broken up will rupture many trics). His tip is to flash-freeze the wet trim/budlets on a sheet then combine them into a large bag a little later on. I did this and the hash from fresh frozen was far superior to anything I have ever produced from dry trim. I think 24 hours freezing should be long enough to get the desired effect. Hopefully you have room for all that homemade ice AND fresh freeze in there. I stacked the trays with blocks as spacers to make it all fit in there. Between hunting and RO ice/fresh freeze I may need invest in a chest freezer and yet more power consumption...:eyesmoke:
 
Question for Matt or one of the experts.
What kind of return can be expected when washing good quality buds? For example, lets say you wash 100g, how many grams of ice wax would you expect to get?

In my case, 33 grams of good bud (seven days of smoke) only gave me 1.2 grams of ice wax. I got more ice wax from 33 grams of trim.:shock: :-? What gives? I broke up all the buds by hand, froze them over 24 hours, let soak 30 minutes before starting and then washed for 20 minutes. After waching, I looked at the buds under 60x power and all of the heads had been broken off at that point.

First picture is from buds and the second picture is from trim, both were exactly 33 grams of Pineapple Express.

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The ice wax from the trim is still drying, so I can't comment on the quality yet, but all the wax from the batch of bud is full melt. 160-90 all the way down to 45-25. It was like someone heated up BHO and melted it into my screen. I had a hell of a time collecting it.

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I wasted a lot of good bud to get almost nothing. Where did I go wrong?
 
Goldowitz said:
Question for Matt or one of the experts.
What kind of return can be expected when washing good quality buds? For example, lets say you wash 100g, how many grams of ice wax would you expect to get?

In my case, 33 grams of good bud (seven days of smoke) only gave me 1.2 grams of ice wax. I got more ice wax from 33 grams of trim.:shock: :-? What gives? I broke up all the buds by hand, froze them over 24 hours, let soak 30 minutes before starting and then washed for 20 minutes. After waching, I looked at the buds under 60x power and all of the heads had been broken off at that point.

First picture is from buds and the second picture is from trim, both were exactly 33 grams of Pineapple Express.

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The ice wax from the trim is still drying, so I can't comment on the quality yet, but all the wax from the batch of bud is full melt. 160-90 all the way down to 45-25. It was like someone heated up BHO and melted it into my screen. I had a hell of a time collecting it.

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I wasted a lot of good bud to get almost nothing. Where did I go wrong?
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prolly ddn't have enough ice.

also, I recommend breaking up with very fine scizzors carefully. not by hand... you most definitely mashed some of the trichomes with your fingers without even knowing it....

but yea, your problem was most likely not enough ice.
 
poplars said:
prolly ddn't have enough ice.

also, I recommend breaking up with very fine scizzors carefully. not by hand... you most definitely mashed some of the trichomes with your fingers without even knowing it....

but yea, your problem was most likely not enough ice.
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What is the ideal ratio? I had 20lb. of ice to 2-2.5 gallons of water. The bucket was full of ice the whole time.
 
Goldowitz said:
What is the ideal ratio? I had 20lb. of ice to 2-2.5 gallons of water. The bucket was full of ice the whole time.
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so you weren't using the machine???? I can't really help with other methods my expertise lies within using the machine to make IWE.
 
Goldowitz said:
I mixed it in the five gallon bucket, using a wooden spoon. I don't have a machine yet.
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yeah the only thing I could probably say is you might have agitated too lightly ? idk. like I said I focus on the machine way of doing it not the wooden spoon. not that I have anything against it, I just prefer having something that does it very consistently without me having to expend energy and have a possibility of human error.
 
It is interesting, but I got very different results from bud vs trim (both the same strain). Here are my results from two runs, both started with 33 grams of product.

PE - bud
160-90--- .2 full melt wax
90-73---- .3 full melt wax
73-45---- .3 full melt wax
45-25---- .4 full melt wax

PE - trim
160-90---.8 partial-full melt
90-73-----.9 partial-full melt
73-45-----.6 partial melt
45-25-----.2 crap

I also did a run of White Widow trim (40 grams).

160-90---.4 full melt
90-73----.9 full melt wax
73-45----.6 partial melt
45-25----.3 crap

Matt, you are right about needing different bags for different jobs. I am going to keep track of everything for future batches.:joint:
 
Goldowitz said:
It is interesting, but I got very different results from bud vs trim (both the same strain). Here are my results from two runs, both started with 33 grams of product.

PE - bud
160-90--- .2 full melt wax
90-73---- .3 full melt wax
73-45---- .3 full melt wax
45-25---- .4 full melt wax

PE - trim
160-90---.8 partial-full melt
90-73-----.9 partial-full melt
73-45-----.6 partial melt
45-25-----.2 crap

I also did a run of White Widow trim (40 grams).

160-90---.4 full melt
90-73----.9 full melt wax
73-45----.6 partial melt
45-25----.3 crap

Matt, you are right about needing different bags for different jobs. I am going to keep track of everything for future batches.:joint:
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the reason you yeilded more on the shake is because shake has the best surface area to start with for making hash.


to break down the buds into that comparable surface area takes a great deal more work and patience... . . . . different methods with agitation as well......
 
poplars
the reason you yeilded more on the shake is because shake has the best surface area to start with for making hash.
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I agree. Its all about surface area and 33 degree temps to max out IWE quality. You need to use more ice / better insulation if you cannot get to 34 degrees or less. Quantity can be increased with more agitation on a single run or by doing multiple runs on the same work bag, but you sacrifice a lot of quality by doing either one. Matt has posted o this thread that he prefers fresh frozen shake and budlets over cutting up larger flower clusters, because as poplars has pointed out, it takes a LOT of work to process buds into the similar surface area as sugar leaf. Matt says the quality is great with bud inputs but he yields a bit more with high quality sugar leaf.


Side note...

I got a bit greedy/lazy on my last grow with pruning. The rational was 'its all good I'll just get more IWE out of them'. My yield suffered and it was a MAJOR pain to trim the plants. The main reason was; I was trying to increase my IWE material surface area by dissecting the popcorn nugs with my trimming scissors (cutting each budlet off its main bud stem). So instead of an easy trim session with good bud yield and lots of IWE material, I sat there for hours longer dissecting the small buds to increase their surface area. Trimming is enough of a task without this extra effort IMO. Next time I will grow as normal and just appreciate the IWE I get off the sugar leaf and undissected tiny budlets. The IWE was fire tho, I had the same problem getting it off the screen. It was so gooey freezing still would not allow proper microplaning! Instead I waited 5 days of drying the small globs until it would finally go through the microplaner. And yes I did dab some not microplaned chunks and the microplaning step definitely makes the dabbing smoother by helping the whole dab to melt more evenly on the nail.
 
Right so lots of info, I saw a video of rize, the montage of melt and they put the melt in and smoke it, what the hell are they smoking out of. I have tried to make full melt a dozen times with no real success, but seeing all the info here at least I know it's possible. I've watched the bubble machine video but the time and method of agitation are obviously different. The bubbleman's video I just don't' get the same results.
 
Just made some bubble two days ago...the 73 bag is dabbable and dank! :dunce: 90% full melt....so tasty!

Once I expand my grow i'll have to get a machine to make larges batches....the hand mixing kills my arm

edit: I ran like 10-14 grams of popcorn buds....1.5-2 gram return. Good for a few days of dabbing

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left is 73, right is 45. I've only just tried the 73 and its bombbbb....soaring cerebral high :dunce:
 
Dont let the trich heads melt down until they are completly dry then jar and add heat...under 100 degrees.

Very strain dependent. My chemdog starts melting at 60 degrees so i have to dry it colder than that.
 
CollieMan1 said:
Dont let the trich heads melt down until they are completly dry then jar and add heat...under 100 degrees.

Very strain dependent. My chemdog starts melting at 60 degrees so i have to dry it colder than that.
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right on brother thanks for sharing that's some cool shit.
 
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