Rand Paul you're on my shit list.

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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tryingtogrow89 said:
Though the nominations is looking like mitt's nothing is final yet.
FUCK RAND PAUL!
His dad is still in it. Maybe if paul was officially out of the race id understand a little more.
But this hannity appearance is rands way of letting the established status quo know he is on their side not liberty's side.
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dude, it's been over for some time now. go visit the "i told ya so" thread.

it's over. and i told ya so.
 
RyanTheRhino

RyanTheRhino

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tryingtogrow89 said:
Though the nominations is looking like mitt's nothing is final yet.
FUCK RAND PAUL!
His dad is still in it. Maybe if paul was officially out of the race id understand a little more.
But this hannity appearance is rands way of letting the established status quo know he is on their side not liberty's side.
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Dont get mad because of fox. They have been trolling before trolling was a term . I hate bill O'reilly more then Hannity . At least Hannity does not pretend he listens to both sides. Bill may have some democratic guests but he just follows his talking points and when someone steps outside of them he just starts yelling. When really stumped " well we are on to our next topic"
 
Illegal Smile

Illegal Smile

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RyanTheRhino said:
Dont get mad because of fox. They have been trolling before trolling was a term . I hate bill O'reilly more then Hannity . At least Hannity does not pretend he listens to both sides. Bill may have some democratic guests but he just follows his talking points and when someone steps outside of them he just starts yelling. When really stumped " well we are on to our next topic"
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How do you say you hate anyone at fox, and still call conservatives haters?

I don't hate anyone, not even Obama. Some wise person once said hate is like trying to kill your enemy by drinking the poison yourself.
 
deprave

deprave

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Romney/Obama Democrats/Republicans - There is very little difference between them in America, on this graph they would be in the same square on opposite sides of it, Both Centrist Authoritarians. 40/40 square.
 
RyanTheRhino

RyanTheRhino

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Illegal Smile said:
How do you say you hate anyone at fox, and still call conservatives haters?

I don't hate anyone, not even Obama. Some wise person once said hate is like trying to kill your enemy by drinking the poison yourself.
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well I don't hate the person, but I hate how people eat that shit up.
 
Illegal Smile

Illegal Smile

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deprave said:


Romney/Obama Democrats/Republicans - There is very little difference between them in America, on this graph they would be in the same square on opposite sides of it, Both Centrist Authoritarians. 40/40 square.
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What are the issue scores? How does one place oneself on this grid? What scale is it that Libertarian is at the top and Statist is at the bottom? Plus, on what issues do left and right leaning libertarians differ? I'm trying to understand - make the pitch. So far what I'm getting from it is libertarians are for small government and might be left or right. I don't see how you can be left at all and still for small government, but maybe I'm missing something.
 
deprave

deprave

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Illegal Smile said:
What are the issue scores? How does one place oneself on this grid? What scale is it that Libertarian is at the top and Statist is at the bottom? Plus, on what issues do left and right leaning libertarians differ? I'm trying to understand - make the pitch. So far what I'm getting from it is libertarians are for small government and might be left or right. I don't see how you can be left at all and still for small government, but maybe I'm missing something.
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Indeed you are, your missing a lot. There is countless ways you can be "left and for small government", any issue, the two are not even related whatsoever. Id like you to tell me how they are related and I will explain that. I can list every issue but that's pretty pointless, because yes I mean every single issue. You are pretty much denying the existence of every political philosophy known to man, you know why? Because everyone is essentially a libertarian or anarchist only to which degree is the variation, Statism is not based on philosophical understands, it is not based on moral principles, nor rational thought. Statism is a disease and you are infected with it. This "argument" you are having IS the state, People are not the state, its only a state of mind. People are based on moral principles, ethics, philosophy, rational thought, logic. This entity known as government is not. These are the very foundations of Libertarian and Anarchist philosophies and in statism again they do not exist. It is not based on humanity or in reality.

FYI a right libertarian or anarchist would be the minority, I seriously challenge you to find me a political philosophy that is right libertarian. There is only 4 that I can think of compared to dozens upon dozens of left libertarian or anarchist philosophies and they are pretty much in the center. Minarchism (essentially a "Republican"), Market Anarchy, Neoliberalism, & Anarcho-capitalism...We had a thread about this before and came to the conclusion that there really is no such thing as a right wing libertarian, those 4 lean right but they are technically more in the center.

Tell you what just take one week off of fox news or whatever mainstream media crap is brainwashing you and go read through that wikipedia link I gave you please for the love of god.
 
MellowFarmer

MellowFarmer

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Harrekin said:
Lets all just hope after Obama wins he does a policy switch-aroo and says "I dont have to worry getting elected again, time to have some fun and get shit done".
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I think there is a dark meeting with every new President with a film of the Kennedy assasination and at the end the President is asked Any questions?
[video=youtube;Mjuu89B-Myc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjuu89B-Myc[/video]
 
lifegoesonbrah

lifegoesonbrah

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deprave said:
Indeed you are, your missing a lot. There is countless ways you can be "left and for small government", any issue, the two are not even related whatsoever. Id like you to tell me how they are related and I will explain that. I can list every issue but that's pretty pointless, because yes I mean every single issue. You are pretty much denying the existence of every political philosophy known to man, you know why? Because everyone is essentially a libertarian or anarchist only to which degree is the variation, Statism is not based on philosophical understands, it is not based on moral principles, nor rational thought. Statism is a disease and you are infected with it. This "argument" you are having IS the state, People are not the state, its only a state of mind. People are based on moral principles, ethics, philosophy, rational thought, logic. This entity known as government is not. These are the very foundations of Libertarian and Anarchist philosophies and in statism again they do not exist. It is not based on humanity or in reality.

FYI a right libertarian or anarchist would be the minority, I seriously challenge you to find me a political philosophy that is right libertarian. There is only 4 that I can think of compared to dozens upon dozens of left libertarian or anarchist philosophies and they are pretty much in the center. Minarchism (essentially a "Republican"), Market Anarchy, Neoliberalism, & Anarcho-capitalism...We had a thread about this before and came to the conclusion that there really is no such thing as a right wing libertarian, those 4 lean right but they are technically more in the center.

Tell you what just take one week off of fox news or whatever mainstream media crap is brainwashing you and go read through that wikipedia link I gave you please for the love of god.
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[video=youtube;XJQEI1d0blo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJQEI1d0blo[/video]
 
Illegal Smile

Illegal Smile

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deprave said:
Indeed you are, your missing a lot. There is countless ways you can be "left and for small government", any issue, the two are not even related whatsoever. Id like you to tell me how they are related and I will explain that. I can list every issue but that's pretty pointless, because yes I mean every single issue. You are pretty much denying the existence of every political philosophy known to man, you know why? Because everyone is essentially a libertarian or anarchist only to which degree is the variation, Statism is not based on philosophical understands, it is not based on moral principles, nor rational thought. Statism is a disease and you are infected with it. This "argument" you are having IS the state, People are not the state, its only a state of mind. People are based on moral principles, ethics, philosophy, rational thought, logic. This entity known as government is not. These are the very foundations of Libertarian and Anarchist philosophies and in statism again they do not exist. It is not based on humanity or in reality.

FYI a right libertarian or anarchist would be the minority, I seriously challenge you to find me a political philosophy that is right libertarian. There is only 4 that I can think of compared to dozens upon dozens of left libertarian or anarchist philosophies and they are pretty much in the center. Minarchism (essentially a "Republican"), Market Anarchy, Neoliberalism, & Anarcho-capitalism...We had a thread about this before and came to the conclusion that there really is no such thing as a right wing libertarian, those 4 lean right but they are technically more in the center.

Tell you what just take one week off of fox news or whatever mainstream media crap is brainwashing you and go read through that wikipedia link I gave you please for the love of god.
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It must be frustrating. FYI, I know people who proclaim themselves to be libertarians who say their libertarianism requires them to stand up for the rights of the unborn child. And others who say it means it's the woman's body etc etc. In fact, I can find you libertarians who disagree with each other on virtually any issue. I don't see anything coherent to it at all. I think if you take away the kids who are acting out their little rebellion drama, there's nothing much to libertarianism at all. For sure they (whoever they are) are having zero impact on how history is unfolding.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Illegal Smile said:
It must be frustrating. FYI, I know people who proclaim themselves to be libertarians who say their libertarianism requires them to stand up for the rights of the unborn child. And others who say it means it's the woman's body etc etc. In fact, I can find you libertarians who disagree with each other on virtually any issue. I don't see anything coherent to it at all. I think if you take away the kids who are acting out their little rebellion drama, there's nothing much to libertarianism at all. For sure they (whoever they are) are having zero impact on how history is unfolding.
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It must be frustrating to you that race isn't important anymore.
 
Illegal Smile

Illegal Smile

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abandonconflict said:
It must be frustrating to you that race isn't important anymore.
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Every astute political analyst I know of seems to think race is more important than ever. It must be important or you wouldn't have bent over backwards trying to inject it into a discussion of libertarianism.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Illegal Smile said:
It must be frustrating. FYI, I know people who proclaim themselves to be libertarians who say their libertarianism requires them to stand up for the rights of the unborn child. And others who say it means it's the woman's body etc etc. In fact, I can find you libertarians who disagree with each other on virtually any issue. I don't see anything coherent to it at all. I think if you take away the kids who are acting out their little rebellion drama, there's nothing much to libertarianism at all. For sure they (whoever they are) are having zero impact on how history is unfolding.
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Take this paragraph and replace the word libertarian and it's variants with almost any other word and it will still make sense.

So what is it that you dislike about libertarian doctrine?


Just hate Paulbots?


As for injecting race into the discussion, it is simple, you're blatantly racist and I'm just making sure that you wear your ghost outfit in public. :dunce:
 
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