Where do you think the line is...

Padawanbater2

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...between parenting and child abuse?

Please also include if you have children or not, or what your history raising kids is.

Should be interesting
 

Hepheastus420

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I don't have a kid, but I've had to train my dog. I've never hit my dog and he loved me (he died not too long ago). He knew how to do tricks and was respectful. Other owners have dogs that they hit. The dog either turns out to be a very aggresive dog or it turns into a dog that obeys its owner out of fear (but they are always on the edge of turning on their owners). IMO kids are the same way. If you hit your kid, he/she will either hate you or he/she will be scared of you. Some parents think that having their kid fear them is a good thing since the kid won't disobey them. But I think there are plenty of other ways to teach your kid. Give them a hug when they do good. Tell them when they did bad. But don't let your kid run over you though. If your kid is being disrespectful, take away his/her tv or some shit like that. But IDK, like I said, I don't have a kid.
 

high|hgih

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I think one should be aloud to punish their child however they please. Sometimes it goes too far, in all seriousness... But really Id say a good 80% of child abuse cases are uncalled for

I remember I tried to get rid of my step dad saying he beat me and he was sooo angry. It was the most retarded thing I ever did. But I hated the dude he needed to be gone lol before I got step dad abuse charges

But he stayed and ruined my childhood :(
 

Padawanbater2

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So physically reprimanding them is OK, as long as, you feel, as a father, it's reasonably justified?

I think that's the problem, if you asked any father under investigation of child abuse charges, they'd contend that they felt their actions were 'reasonably justified'...

So, considering that, do you think there is any way to objectively determine what is child abuse and what is normal parenting? Keep in mind, child abuse can be a whole range of things, not just physical abuse.
 

Hepheastus420

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Were you ever hit as a kid, Hep?
Yup. My dad is an asshole. He was known as the dick dad. He'd try to help me with my homework (and when I was in elementary I wasn't very good at math). If I got an answer wrong or couldn't answer quick enough he'd get mad and pinch me. Afterwards he'd tell me good job or some shit which would cinvince me that his pinches are for my own good ha.
It fucked with my mind. I loved my dad, but kind of out of fear. People would ask me if I was fine and I'd just be like "fuck off". It's embarrassing having a ass dad. Everybody is like "oh I did so and so with my old man" and I'm like.. :( cool lol. That's why I said I wouldn't embarrass the kid by beating his dads ass in front of him in your other thread. I'd rather let the kid think that he has a good dad. Whoo!! My sob story for the week lol.
 

ANC

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My mom belted the living shit out of me if I stepped out of line (I could pick the belt), I'm eternaly greatfull to her.
 

high|hgih

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Its alright man, I too sob lol!

Thats sad though man at least he wasnt rammin your shit caboose or anything

Me and my actual dad did have some very amazing times, best dad ever. But I wont boast I hardly got too see him though.

As far as parenting goes Ive learned to literally just be cool.. No need to kanive or anything, they are going to know, they are humans. We all catch on to our parents bullshit at some point. My mom lied to me all the time and my relationship with her was terrible til I was about.. Well.. 21 lol
 

Hepheastus420

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So physically reprimanding them is OK, as long as, you feel, as a father, it's reasonably justified?

I think that's the problem, if you asked any father under investigation of child abuse charges, they'd contend that they felt their actions were 'reasonably justified'...

So, considering that, do you think there is any way to objectively determine what is child abuse and what is normal parenting? Keep in mind, child abuse can be a whole range of things, not just physical abuse.
Yeah. Saying it's "reasonably justified" doesn't draw a line like you asked. I think the line is the moment you lay one hand on your kid. At that moment I think you deserve to get your ass kicked the next time you make a mistake. Adults only hit younger kids because they're stronger. When kids become older, you can't hit them anymore without a real fist fight breaking out lol. You don't have to prove your strength to your kid, save that for somebody that deserves it. All your kid needs to know is that you love them and right from wrong (which can be taught without hitting).

I forgot about vocal abuse. That shit is the worst kind of abuse. That goes directly to your child's mentality. That could fuck them up for life. Hitting can be understandable to a limit since people do get frustrated (like other animals), but when you bring real emotion into it, that's when it gets really out of hand.
 

Hepheastus420

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My mom belted the living shit out of me if I stepped out of line (I could pick the belt), I'm eternaly greatfull to her.
Yeah belts suck though. Wouldn't you rather not have to do that to your kids? Like I said, I love my dad. But fuck, he could have gone about it in a whole other way lol.
 

Hepheastus420

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kids who don't want to hear (listen) have to feel.
Or you could just take away their tv or something like that. I mean yeah hitting teaches kids, but you can go about it a whole other way. People are so caught up in the whole "back in my day" thing that they don't see how it's still wrong.
People used to own slaves and I'm sure their offspring was like "my dad owns slaves, so I should go out and buy one too". It's still fucked up even if your parents did it. Sorry ANC.. hardly any of this was aimed at you lol.
 

Hepheastus420

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ANC is right, as long as the beating is within reason then it's all good.
But what's within reason? Some people would say that multiple bruises just means that they give their kid "tough love".
I had a little girl (9-ish) come to my place one time because she was hiding from her parents. She showed me her arms and legs and they had bruises on them. She was gonna show me some bruises under her shirt but I was like "nononononono". LOL I called the cops and waited outside with her since I'm pretty sure people would raise their eyebrows if some dude brought in a little panicked girl lol. The cops gave the kid up to her grandma that lives out of town. Point is, her parents probably thought they were teaching her some manners but in reality, they just scared the shit out of her.
 

high|hgih

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Yeah ANC is right, it depends on the kid.. Family.. My family is very emotional straight edged superstitious on one side, and mixture of stout alcoholics and drug addicts on the other. I think genes play a little with this one. I learned better emotionally just stealing my dads pain killers made me feel like shit. I mean I guess they taught me something right since that was the case. and they never hit me(well my dad lol he can hold his nuts). Mommy and step dad though flipped over nothing all the time. And Id make it worse. RESISTANCE >.<

Children should be boned instead thats the moral of the story
 

Hepheastus420

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But why hit your kids? Like seriously think about it. I don't consider getting smacked by a belt abuse, but it's definitely unnecessary.
 

high|hgih

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I would personally feel terrible for HURTING my kid but man you gotta understand little kids are SO ANNOYING.

O garuntee that whenI have kids their gonna see the back side of my handeverynowand then. Or a belt. Or my DICK
 

Derple

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I think the line between parenting and child abuse is very clear if you're intending to do harm, its abuse.
Me personally, I have been hit before as a child, and can say that I wasn't better for the experience, it didn't teach me anything, apart from me despising them, and inspiring me to never be like my parents in that sense.
 
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