AlaskaHashMan
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You have the five gallon bags ehh. my buddy gave me a set of the one gal. I just cant' get full melt out of it. gonna try again today.
ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize
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poplars
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full melt is pretty much almost always a strain thing. if you are doing the method in a legit way that other people have achieved full melt with, it's just likely your strain isn't a full melt strain.
insane glass bro. I have a basic 150 dollar inline bubbler I think that's all I need hahhahaha.....
SmokinLabrador
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Bumping for mister RizeWow.... I feel like I have climbed the mountains of Tibet to gain the wisdom of the monks. Read 1137 posts in the thread over the past few days, and WOW what a game changer! Seems like it has been a game changer for Matt as well, since even the master's process has evolvedI do have a few questions if I may:
Matt, I saw you post this back on 9/30/11:
Updates include:
using more bags: 220 (work), 220, 190, 160, 120, 73, 45
using no ice in the work bag (for machines)
using all RO water
using (chlorine free) paper towels instead of cloth to wick out the water after collection
Would you say you have any major revisions to your process since then?
Also, you made mention once upon a time about the bubblenow machine needing to be insulated to make it work as well as it can. I know you now use a Bubble Magic machine, do you feel this machine is insulated sufficiently, or does it need extra help as well?
Finally, I can see a good portion of my extractions being from prime nugs vs trim or budlets. I saw you mention to very gentle cut the buds up, so I will be sure to do that. Do you suggest fresh frozen buds just like with the trim, or should they be dried first?
Thanks Matt! Oh, and please be sure to let us know when to look for the Rize Up line of dabbing glass
realcartman
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matt - do you think a quicker dry/removal of water from the hash patty is better than allowing it to sit overnight? Would you use something like a coffee filter underneath the drying screen to absorb water? Do you think the amount of time the patty stays wet has an effect on the outcome?
Its widely accepted not to press the hash when its wet. Why is this again? I understand not pressing it into a patty once its dry. Is this not done, due to the more chalky consistency that comes out of the nicer bags generally and the lesser quality stuff turn into just regular old-school style hash. Plus, with pressing it wet, it could trap moisture and that could funk-i-fy it right? but what if you microplaned it real fine, would the water not get trapped so much then, with such small surface area to dry out?
edit - just found this quote on another website from matt - "Words of wisdom from the bubbleman himself. I believe pressing wet hash forms an emulsion of sorts, a mix of the oil (hash) and water. Once this emulsion is formed the water can never be removed. "
edit - another question -
"I liked the idea of melting the ice before you filter.. in order to get the resin heads off the ice.. and i like the first picture of showing the Bubble in the stainless steel filter."
Thanks. I have other options for breaking up hash that I will post soon. That was my old method.
mind sharing these other options for breaking up hash??? thanks man
Its widely accepted not to press the hash when its wet. Why is this again? I understand not pressing it into a patty once its dry. Is this not done, due to the more chalky consistency that comes out of the nicer bags generally and the lesser quality stuff turn into just regular old-school style hash. Plus, with pressing it wet, it could trap moisture and that could funk-i-fy it right? but what if you microplaned it real fine, would the water not get trapped so much then, with such small surface area to dry out?
edit - just found this quote on another website from matt - "Words of wisdom from the bubbleman himself. I believe pressing wet hash forms an emulsion of sorts, a mix of the oil (hash) and water. Once this emulsion is formed the water can never be removed. "
edit - another question -
"I liked the idea of melting the ice before you filter.. in order to get the resin heads off the ice.. and i like the first picture of showing the Bubble in the stainless steel filter."
Thanks. I have other options for breaking up hash that I will post soon. That was my old method.
mind sharing these other options for breaking up hash??? thanks man
Goldowitz
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Did you ever try CollieMan1's method? I forgot to do it with my last batch.
poplars
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nah the strains I'm running aren't full melt. plus I"m not too into the whole oil thing anyways I'm more old school in the sense that I'd rather just have a chunk of hash smoke it piece by piece you know
AlaskaHashMan
Active Member
so i bought a bubble magic machine. anyone heard of it? hope it works going to run some nice trim tonite.
poplars
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yeah man that's pretty much the same sort of machine that we're all using. good luck
AlaskaHashMan
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holy shit, what a mess we made. first off knock off cheap bags were made with crappy canvas, then they wouldn't fit any of our standard 5 gal. buckets. didn't have a 45micron only 75 and 25 besides the 120 or 160. looks like some decent from the 75 but i didnt' wait to see the 25 since it would take who the hell knows how long to drain. learned a bunch this time. with our hash let dry for a day then grate it up?? to dry for several?
trichmasta
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So if i have some sugar leaf that im not ready to run, should i store it the freezer or not? i didn't wanna leave it in the freezer for too long prior to use; if there is such a thing...
Material is fresh and only been off the plants since yesterday.
Material is fresh and only been off the plants since yesterday.
poplars
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you either dry/cure it and store it in good bags or jars, or you store it fresh in the freezer IMO.
Kalyx
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Matt recommends fresh frozen if quality is your main goal. Just don't freeze it all together in one big bag or you'll way reduce the surface area. I freeze mine on sheets then combine once frozen. Since it will be frozen it will last long enough to run out of IWE and want some more...
trichmasta
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Yeah my first half pizzle has been in the freezer *fresh frozen* for 48 hours in a turkey bag and will be run this eve...
My freezer is way tooo small to small to store material like this, so that won't work for me; is being exposed to the air ok? Do I still need to soak material before starting the wash when fresh frozen? I thought for maybe a couple mins, but i wasn't sure...First run with new x-traktor bags and bubble magic machine with some bomb Purple TW starting material-should be a meltathon the next couple weeks!!!
Kalyx
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I think its recommended by Matt to freeze a minimum of 24 hours. You should be good to go. I hear you about the freezer space...NO coscto or trader joes runs around harvest time...thank god the neighbor has a kegerator with a freezer full of glasses for one guy. He lets me put my RO ice in there to have space to fresh freeze the trim. I haven't had to field any questions yet either, its summer now I'm sure he'll start to wonder come winter whats with all the ice still! 
I have thought about getting a mini chest freezer to just freeze fresh trim with plenty of space and make RO ice in, yay more power bill. My current technique involves a stack of custom bent to fit dollar store steel trays with wooden blocks between them, it works for a small harvest but I have to cycle it into the big freezer bag.
Its not necessary to soak fresh frozen like dry trim because it is already hydrated when frozen fresh. I'm unclear about your question about air exposure. With fresh frozen it goes from the trim table to the freezer tray (exposed to air in the freezer during this stage) for 2-3 hours till flash frozen, then into the ziploc for longer storage or to free up space for the next tower o' fresh to flash, then into the insulated machine at ideally 33 degrees. SOOOO PURE! Vegan OG roIWE getting dabbed right now
I have thought about getting a mini chest freezer to just freeze fresh trim with plenty of space and make RO ice in, yay more power bill. My current technique involves a stack of custom bent to fit dollar store steel trays with wooden blocks between them, it works for a small harvest but I have to cycle it into the big freezer bag. Its not necessary to soak fresh frozen like dry trim because it is already hydrated when frozen fresh. I'm unclear about your question about air exposure. With fresh frozen it goes from the trim table to the freezer tray (exposed to air in the freezer during this stage) for 2-3 hours till flash frozen, then into the ziploc for longer storage or to free up space for the next tower o' fresh to flash, then into the insulated machine at ideally 33 degrees. SOOOO PURE! Vegan OG roIWE getting dabbed right now
trichmasta
Active Member
Thanks Kalyx! I was able to move some stuff around and get like 7 trays of filtered water cubes in there...stoked on that!!
So if my starting material wasn't put in the freezer right after cut, is it still fresh?? I just wanna make sure of the condition to see if i have to soak material or not; sorry for the noob questions and concers-i really wanna do this IWE right from the start!!!! All material was produced with plant based nutrition and been in the freezer no more than 2 daze after being trimmed...
**edit** How long do you all run material in your machines?? I know Matt says around 20 mins on gentle, but my bubble magic only has one speed...?
So if my starting material wasn't put in the freezer right after cut, is it still fresh?? I just wanna make sure of the condition to see if i have to soak material or not; sorry for the noob questions and concers-i really wanna do this IWE right from the start!!!! All material was produced with plant based nutrition and been in the freezer no more than 2 daze after being trimmed...
**edit** How long do you all run material in your machines?? I know Matt says around 20 mins on gentle, but my bubble magic only has one speed...?