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[h=1]DHS wont explain its order of 450 million hollow point bullets[/h]
After 9/11, the United States government created the Department of Homeland Security to prevent future acts of terrorism and deal with other domestic issues. Now in order to keep doing such, the agency is asking for 450 million hollow point bullets.
The DHS has signed off on an indefinite delivery from defense contractors ATK that will include, for some reason, nearly 500 million high-power ammunition for .40 caliber firearms. The department has yet to discuss why they are ordering such a massive bevy of bullets for an agency that has limited need domestically for doing harm, but they say they expect to continue receiving shipments from the manufacturer for the next five years, during which they plan to blow through enough ammunition to execute more people than there are in the entire United States.
We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, reads an official statement from Ron Johnson, ATKs president of Security and Sporting, who adds that his group will also be giving up weaponry to the DHS subdivision of ICE, or Immigrations and Custom Enforcement.
While ammunition itself seems not too unreasonable of a request by a major federal entity that emphasizes domestic durability and safeguarding the country from coast to coast, the choice and quantity of its hollow point order raises a lot of questions about future plans for the DHS. ATK says they won their contract with the US government by being able to provide them with 450 million HST bullets, which it describes as the next generation in high performance duty ammunition.
What does that mean, exactly? On their website, the contractor claims that the ammunition is specifically designed so that it can pass through a variety of obstructions and offers optimum penetration for terminal performance.Or, in other words, this is the kind of bullet designed to stop any object dead in its tracks and, if emptied into the hands of the DHS a few hundred million times, just might do as much.
Since its inception, the Department of Homeland Security has not only absorbed ICE and other government entities, but has arguably extended its powers much more broadly than many had imagined. Under the recently authorized Trespass Bill, H.R. 347, protesters that allegedly disrupt occurrences acknowledged by the DHS of being a National Special Security Event will be charged with a federal crime. As the DHS gains more and more ground in fighting terrorism domestically, the US at the same time has turned the tables to make its definition of terrorist way less narrow. With any American blogger or free thinking on the fringe of what the government can go after under H.R. 347, or the National Defense Authorization Act that allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens without charge, the DHS could just be blasting through whats left of its budget to make sure that its roster of agents across the country can get in their target practice over the next few years.
Of course, the government might just want to ensure that each one of those agents is more than able to assassinate Americans not just around the globe, but on their own soil. After all, for all of those angsty alleged Americans engaged in terrorism abroad, the US has the largest military in the history of the world to deal with them. In that case, they could argue that it only makes sense to equip their armed forces at home as well.
Source - http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-million-point-government-179/
Department of Homeland Security Shopping for 7k Personal Protection 5.56x45mm NATO Guns
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is looking to buy 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO personal defense weapons, The Intel Hub reports. After all, they recently acquired 450 million hollow point rounds, so naturally they need guns to go along with them.
The DHS intends to collect weapons from different vendors so that each weapon can be tested at the National Firearms and Tactical Training Unit in Altoona, Pennsylvania. Vendors have a chance of winning a contract with the DHS, but theyre going to have to agree to allow DHS to release testing data of their firearm samples to Federal agencies, military, and law enforcement.
Firearm manufacturers may not be fond of that catch, but we can see why the DHS would want to do it: sharing the data would save money and prevent superfluous testing in the future.
Theyre really going to put these guns through the ringer, firing 4,000 rounds from each gun to see how well they hold up. Guns that pass will be run through an additional 3,500 rounds and tested under extreme weather and environment conditions.
The DHS is including a laundry list of requirement that the guns will have to fit. They cant be more than 30 inches with the stock fully extended or 20 inches with the stock folded, and they must come with a flash suppressor or muzzle brake, not to mention the durability inherent to a 7,500 round stress test.
Several issues to address here... First the testing... after 7500 rounds, the barrels will be getting close to being shot out. Chrome lined barrels are usually good to 7-8K, and the new Melonite harding process is seeing 10K+ out of the barrels. Second.. Sharing the test results with other Fed Agencies? You think this will STOP the other agencies from doing the same thing over again? When has any Fed Agency taken the word from another? Hell, they don't even share important data. Third... Why is there a DHS.. well guys, they are there to protect our GOVT officials, not the average Joe. Forth... 7000 guns and 450M rounds of ammo, equates to 64286 rounds per gun! Something to think about here, as to why the new guns and all that ammo! Our GOVT KNOWS the public is NOT happy with them, they can't be that stupid or blind, and they are gearing up for that moment when the straw breaks the camels back. Fact is that back has already been broken... and we are all treading on a very fine wire, which could break at any moment.
After 9/11, the United States government created the Department of Homeland Security to prevent future acts of terrorism and deal with other domestic issues. Now in order to keep doing such, the agency is asking for 450 million hollow point bullets.
The DHS has signed off on an indefinite delivery from defense contractors ATK that will include, for some reason, nearly 500 million high-power ammunition for .40 caliber firearms. The department has yet to discuss why they are ordering such a massive bevy of bullets for an agency that has limited need domestically for doing harm, but they say they expect to continue receiving shipments from the manufacturer for the next five years, during which they plan to blow through enough ammunition to execute more people than there are in the entire United States.
We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, reads an official statement from Ron Johnson, ATKs president of Security and Sporting, who adds that his group will also be giving up weaponry to the DHS subdivision of ICE, or Immigrations and Custom Enforcement.
While ammunition itself seems not too unreasonable of a request by a major federal entity that emphasizes domestic durability and safeguarding the country from coast to coast, the choice and quantity of its hollow point order raises a lot of questions about future plans for the DHS. ATK says they won their contract with the US government by being able to provide them with 450 million HST bullets, which it describes as the next generation in high performance duty ammunition.
What does that mean, exactly? On their website, the contractor claims that the ammunition is specifically designed so that it can pass through a variety of obstructions and offers optimum penetration for terminal performance.Or, in other words, this is the kind of bullet designed to stop any object dead in its tracks and, if emptied into the hands of the DHS a few hundred million times, just might do as much.
Since its inception, the Department of Homeland Security has not only absorbed ICE and other government entities, but has arguably extended its powers much more broadly than many had imagined. Under the recently authorized Trespass Bill, H.R. 347, protesters that allegedly disrupt occurrences acknowledged by the DHS of being a National Special Security Event will be charged with a federal crime. As the DHS gains more and more ground in fighting terrorism domestically, the US at the same time has turned the tables to make its definition of terrorist way less narrow. With any American blogger or free thinking on the fringe of what the government can go after under H.R. 347, or the National Defense Authorization Act that allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens without charge, the DHS could just be blasting through whats left of its budget to make sure that its roster of agents across the country can get in their target practice over the next few years.
Of course, the government might just want to ensure that each one of those agents is more than able to assassinate Americans not just around the globe, but on their own soil. After all, for all of those angsty alleged Americans engaged in terrorism abroad, the US has the largest military in the history of the world to deal with them. In that case, they could argue that it only makes sense to equip their armed forces at home as well.
Source - http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-million-point-government-179/
Department of Homeland Security Shopping for 7k Personal Protection 5.56x45mm NATO Guns
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is looking to buy 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO personal defense weapons, The Intel Hub reports. After all, they recently acquired 450 million hollow point rounds, so naturally they need guns to go along with them.
The DHS intends to collect weapons from different vendors so that each weapon can be tested at the National Firearms and Tactical Training Unit in Altoona, Pennsylvania. Vendors have a chance of winning a contract with the DHS, but theyre going to have to agree to allow DHS to release testing data of their firearm samples to Federal agencies, military, and law enforcement.
Firearm manufacturers may not be fond of that catch, but we can see why the DHS would want to do it: sharing the data would save money and prevent superfluous testing in the future.
Theyre really going to put these guns through the ringer, firing 4,000 rounds from each gun to see how well they hold up. Guns that pass will be run through an additional 3,500 rounds and tested under extreme weather and environment conditions.
The DHS is including a laundry list of requirement that the guns will have to fit. They cant be more than 30 inches with the stock fully extended or 20 inches with the stock folded, and they must come with a flash suppressor or muzzle brake, not to mention the durability inherent to a 7,500 round stress test.
Several issues to address here... First the testing... after 7500 rounds, the barrels will be getting close to being shot out. Chrome lined barrels are usually good to 7-8K, and the new Melonite harding process is seeing 10K+ out of the barrels. Second.. Sharing the test results with other Fed Agencies? You think this will STOP the other agencies from doing the same thing over again? When has any Fed Agency taken the word from another? Hell, they don't even share important data. Third... Why is there a DHS.. well guys, they are there to protect our GOVT officials, not the average Joe. Forth... 7000 guns and 450M rounds of ammo, equates to 64286 rounds per gun! Something to think about here, as to why the new guns and all that ammo! Our GOVT KNOWS the public is NOT happy with them, they can't be that stupid or blind, and they are gearing up for that moment when the straw breaks the camels back. Fact is that back has already been broken... and we are all treading on a very fine wire, which could break at any moment.
