When do you get a soul??

[cannabineer]

Like I said, the easiest proof of a spiritual world is attacks by demons. A simple internet search can give you plenty of proof. Second would be miracles, god using your body to make the impossible possible.

I have already spoken to the subject of demons and miracles. Fail. cn

<edit> If you can show me one universally confirmed instance, I will listen. But isn't a reliance on the Internet identical with a reliance on testimony? Consider the scientific method (in general, not applied to the topic). It never relies on testimony unless the testimony comes bundled with a "try for yourself; check my results" protocol. Testimonies of demons, miracles and other magic lack this. There is no science of magic, and for sound reasons. So your claim that science tells us anything about God is something that I summarily reject. cn

 

[Cut.Throat.]

Humans are wired to believe in a higher being. It helps our conscious when we do the horrible things we do to each other everyday.

It's not wrong if your imaginary friend tells you it's ok.

 

[DirtyGloveLuv]

Actually animals dont have the same consciousness as humans do.

no shit...

 

[Shannon Alexander]

how does it not.....?

do animals have this same conciousness?

Animals by default would have to given that if we are entwined with everything around us then everything in turn around us is by default entwined with everything else, you can teach animals right and wrong, they can feel empathy and apathy just like us, they get sad, they get happy, they get angry, they can feel jealousy, they can learn, they can be creative, they can be destructive, they can be cruel, and they can be kind... Who are you to say that an other being that you lack the ability to communicate with in as complicated a manner as you and I can together does not possess a soul..?

For all the super devout Christians here can any of you without picking up your bible even paraphrase what Solomon the wise said about animals?

 

[Kaendar]

I have already spoken to the subject of demons and miracles. Fail. cn

<edit> If you can show me one universally confirmed instance, I will listen. But isn't a reliance on the Internet identical with a reliance on testimony? Consider the scientific method (in general, not applied to the topic). It never relies on testimony unless the testimony comes bundled with a "try for yourself; check my results" protocol. Testimonies of demons, miracles and other magic lack this. There is no science of magic, and for sound reasons. So your claim that science tells us anything about God I summarily reject. cn

If millions of peoples testimony cant help you than I dont know what can. I can personally say that ive seen a paralyzed person walk. This happens all the time in churches around the world. Medical conditions that science cant cure, somehow obliterated at a sunday gathering in a small town. How is that not enough evidence for you? Especially since you rely so much on what science can prove.

 

[Kaendar]

Animals by default would have to given that if we are entwined with everything around us then everything in turn around us is by default entwined with everything else, you can teach animals right and wrong, they can feel empathy and apathy just like us, they get sad, they get happy, they get angry, they can feel jealousy, they can learn, they can be creative, they can be destructive, they can be cruel, and they can be kind... Who are you to say that an other being that you lack the ability to communicate with in as complicated a manner as you and I can together does not possess a soul..?

For all the super devout Christians here can any of you without picking up your bible even paraphrase what Solomon the wise said about animals?

Yes animals experience thought and emotion, but they dont know good and evil. Everything is put on this earth to support humans. Trees, plants, water, weather, animals, etc. And im not christian. Im not any religion.

 

[Cut.Throat.]

If millions of peoples testimony cant help you than I dont know what can. I can personally say that ive seen a paralyzed person walk. This happens all the time in churches around the world. Medical conditions that science cant cure, somehow obliterated at a sunday gathering in a small town. How is that not enough evidence for you? Especially since you rely so much on what science can prove.

Crackpots selling snake oil. How much did you buy?

 

[Shannon Alexander]

The super devout christian line wasn't aimed at you... just for any one of them that frequent the forum, sorry if it sounded like it was directed at you Kaendar...

I call BS on the whole concept of Good and Evil...

and even if I did believe in the conveniently arbitrary cookie cutter white vs black again... how can you say that any given animal knows good and evil... especially when there are many human beings such as myself that don't believe in good and evil...

 

[cannabineer]

If millions of peoples testimony cant help you than I dont know what can. I can personally say that ive seen a paralyzed person walk. This happens all the time in churches around the world. Medical conditions that science cant cure, somehow obliterated at a sunday gathering in a small town. How is that not enough evidence for you? Especially since you rely so much on what science can prove.

Testimony is so easily spun, even within the minds of otherwise sincere and careful people.
Testimony, even by millions, is not proof.
That degrades into the age-old fallacy of "appeal to popularity". That is no way to truth, or even fact. My opinion.

Also, why would I not want to rely on science or on a distinct but equally rigorous application of simple reason? I cannot worship a God who would require of me that I suspend the use of my greatest gift. cn

 

[TogTokes]

No such thing as Souls.

If there is, tell Santa i said hi.. Oh and Dumbledorf too!

 

[Cut.Throat.]

No such thing as Souls.

If there is, tell Santa i said hi.. Oh and Dumbledorf too!

Don't forget rudolph and the other inhabitants of the island of misfit toys.

 

[Cut.Throat.]

If millions of peoples testimony cant help you than I dont know what can. I can personally say that ive seen a paralyzed person walk. This happens all the time in churches around the world. Medical conditions that science cant cure, somehow obliterated at a sunday gathering in a small town. How is that not enough evidence for you? Especially since you rely so much on what science can prove.

Does that mean the flying spaghetti monster is real? I mean millions of people (like me) believe is his holy noodly appendage.

http://www.venganza.org/about/

 

[Padawanbater2]

Yes animals experience thought and emotion, but they dont know good and evil. Everything is put on this earth to support humans. Trees, plants, water, weather, animals, etc. And im not christian. Im not any religion.

Christ, man... you're all over the place with your beliefs. At this point, I'm not even sure YOU know what you believe...

This entire thread is a collection of fallacy after fallacy. cb even pointed it out, twice, and you still don't understand.

I'm fuckin' out of here before I lose it..

 

[Shannon Alexander]

Alright guys... You've expressed the fact that you have no respect and that you know the answers to this question that scientists haven't been able to resolve... You're really wasting your time on the boards here... get thyselves to a major university and please teach the world how you came to the conclusions that you have...


Edit...

Just in case it isn't clear... Tog and Cut... this is sarcasm and aimed at you...

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

LOL at Spirituality Mod.

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

GOD FORBID someone talk about spirituality in a spirituality forum xD

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

Alright guys... You've expressed the fact that you have no respect and that you know the answers to this question that scientists haven't been able to resolve... You're really wasting your time on the boards here... get thyselves to a major university and please teach the world how you came to the conclusions that you have...


Edit...

Just in case it isn't clear... Tog and Cut... this is sarcasm and aimed at you...

Glad you cleared that up, thought this was a shot at us crazy spiritualists lol.

 

[Shannon Alexander]

No way... I like you crazies...

 

[Kaendar]

No way... I like you crazies...

Yo... you wanna hit this?? *passes lighter*

 

[Zaehet Strife]

Why dont you believe it?

Not enough evidence.