When do you get a soul??

Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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I think this would also go well with the subject being presented in this thread;

Remember, imagination is not truth... it is speculation of ideas without any basis for physical examination. Therefor these ideas always have some doubt behind them, as they cannot stand up to the burdens of proof required to perceive these ideas as true or real.

(Which is exactly why "faith" is a requirement when attempting to claim truth to an idea (yes, beliefs are IDEAS) without any truth value)

Whomever perceives these fantasy ideas as real is faced with an inner conflict, or contradiction. As the true self knows that these ideas have no basis in reality, nor have they been proved beyond reasonable doubt except in the mind of the individual. The individual does everything possible to keep from consciously acknowledging that he/she is not certain of their "beliefs" so they won't be forced to face this inner conflict, or contradiction.

Though it is fun to think about these fantastical ideas and concepts, they must be left at the door of fantasy for us to keep touch with what is real in the only reality we can measure accurately, this one.
 
DirtyGloveLuv

DirtyGloveLuv

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i just would pay 2 see a Christians face as they realize their entire belief system is completely unnatural, unfortunetly most will never accept this until they die and see it 4 themselves.
 
DirtyGloveLuv

DirtyGloveLuv

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Zaehet you may be the only other person in here who understands the true nature of reality is that we are reality, we create reality, if a tree falls and theres noone there 2 hear it does it make a sound? who fuckn knows? but every christian ive ever asked this question 2 says of course it makes a sound without a doubt its insane. i dont understand blind belief because ive never been capable of it even as a very little boy i remember sitting in Polish Catholic huge church in Detroit and thinking how rediculous the shit that was coming out of the priests mouth sounded especially since i knew alot of christians and knew it was complete bullshit haha.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Shannon Alexander said:
If all you focus on are the negatives of the history of religion you'll never pay attention to the good things that religion does... stop being ignorant...
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I would agree. I believe the corruption on religion is what leads to conflict. Religion is corrupted for the control of resources. It happened in the beginning and it happens today.

Religion is essential for our psyche as human beings. Its the ideas that religions ask that make us humans. Wishing away Religion is like wishing away philosophy. You may not agree with a philosophical idea but does that mean we shouldn't have any Philosophy. The idea is preposterous.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Shannon Alexander said:
Do you mean entropy as in gradual decline into disorder/chaos or what..?
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That's what I mean. In the end all there is, is nothing. Life is a by-product of entropy and that's all we know. The fact that entropy will in the end destroy everything we are is a curious cosmic joke.
 
Shannon Alexander

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Moebius said:
That's what I mean. In the end all there is, is nothing. Life is a by-product of entropy and that's all we know. The fact that entropy will in the end destroy everything we are is a curious cosmic joke.
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While we have the sun and the ability to produce extra plants and animals then how is entropy relevant..?
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Shannon Alexander said:
While we have the sun and the ability to produce extra plants and animals then how is entropy relevant..?
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I thought we were discussing BIGGER ideas than that of our solar system.

The nature of reality, souls, and all that jazz.

Entropy shows us the direction of travel doesn't it. Annihilation of physical existence of ALL reality (as we know it)..... After that who knows
 
Shannon Alexander

Shannon Alexander

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Moebius said:
I thought we were discussing BIGGER ideas than that of our solar system.

The nature of reality, souls, and all that jazz.

Entropy shows us the direction of travel doesn't it. Annihilation of physical existence of ALL reality (as we know it)..... After that who knows
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I'm not knowledgeable in thermodynamics at all, I have never studied it in my life and probably never will...

I believe that the universe will probably collapses back in on itself to start over again... a re shuffle of the deck so to speak...
 
Hepheastus420

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Shannon Alexander said:
If all you focus on are the negatives of the history of religion you'll never pay attention to the good things that religion does... stop being ignorant...
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Yeah, many organized religious followers are very kind people. There's plenty of god buildings here where I live that help young pregnant moms, feed starving people, help send people in the right direction for gov assistance, and some members are actually kind and will give you helpful advice.. Not that they couldn't do any of those things without their religion.

But sadly, religion has caused more harm than help.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Hepheastus420 said:
Yeah, many organized religious followers are very kind people. There's plenty of god buildings here where I live that help young pregnant moms, feed starving people, help send people in the right direction for gov assistance, and some members are actually kind and will give you helpful advice.. Not that they couldn't do any of those things without their religion.

But sadly, religion has caused more harm than help.
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All human civilization is based on religion. The Egyptians built an empire and created what would become our alphabet because of religion. Its these ideas that have through history lead to our current scientific methodologies. Everything from astronomy to the concept of 'zero' owe there origin to religion.

Seems a bit churlish to deny its importance now.
 
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