Moebius
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Atheism is essentially the rejection of an idea. Without the idea to reject we are left without the question. Without the question, all we are, are animals.
When do you get a soul??
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It would help very much if you didn't treat a numeral as an auxiliary verb. And those are two words I use often, so I challenge that part of your complaint as well. cn
<edit> technically, a particle.
DirtyGloveLuv
New Member
subjective....yes, irreducibly subjective....no because somthing cannot be irreducibly subjective, that doesnt even make sense.
Shannon Alexander
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That is not what I said at all... your comprehension skills are lacking...
It would equate to if you put a gun in my face, pulled the trigger and put pieces of my brain on the wall behind me that there is no way to know that if by your actions you did more harm to the world than you did good... my not yet conceived children could grow up to be war criminals and you may have stopped that from happening...
on the flip side if you don't kill me my children becoming war criminals and the atrocities that they commit could involve the murdering of someone that could have grown up to become worse than all of my potential war criminal children combined...
You can never say with accuracy and certainty that the world/humanity would have been better off without something happening or if something had have happened... it is all speculation...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
If you cannot remove subjectivity from a concept, I would call that irreducible. That has the consequence of making it unarguable in either direction. cn
Moebius
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Time travel is possible. Theoretically. We exist in a universe Einstein called 'Space/Time'. Not 2 distinct things. But essentially the same thing.I wonder if it would be possible for human existence to survive in this universe forever. Through technology such as traveling through worm holes, half biological and mechanical bodies with nano machines that have our cells never degenerate. Who really knows where technology will bring us.
I just watched that new Tron movie, the main characters father describes time passing in the digital world as seconds are to years... maybe we will put our brains into a matrix type reality where time passes slower, that way we would increase our time of existence in the real world substantially...maybe we've already done it? Hehehe, i am so baked right now.
Edit: Dude, i watched this stephen hawking show about time, where it says time will pass slower if we can get a shit into orbit really close to a black hole... we could combine that with the matrix idea for ultimate time!
The existence without a universe seems implausible, we need matter right? .... There maybe other universes yet to discover but life in these universes is unlikely to be compatible to our own.
Zaehet Strife
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I do have to agree... atheism is a rejection of an idea. Which is why i have moved on to the label of the existential nihilist.
Hepheastus420
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Atheism is the disbelief in a higher being. If there was no religion, I doubt people would believe in a higher being. If that was the case, we would all be atheists since there's no higher being to believe in.
And we are just animals. Just like deer.
DirtyGloveLuv
New Member
your putting words in my mouth or text whatever haha. your taking things other people said and trying 2 use them 2 argue with somthing i said and its not even the same things were talking about at this point. have fun arguing with a wall, which is probably your intellectual equal.
Hepheastus420
Well-Known Member
SO agnostics aren't atheists? Real question, I'm not well informed on the subject since I don't care too much for the title on my beliefs..or.. disbeliefs.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
But if you accept the premise that we are animals without special status/privilege, atheism becomes more tenable. I find it harder to accept the idea that our status is somehow special ... it strikes me as the sort of extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence. This isn't about proof or disproof; it's about a personal application of Occam's Razor. cn
DirtyGloveLuv
New Member
yah ive lost all urge 2 keep debating this. peace out yall have a good night.
Moebius
Well-Known Member
Well, I believe we are something more than animals..... I eat animals.
How can someone be a disbeliever without any believers?... ponder upon it.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That was one of my first lessons in this subforum. An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a god or divine principle. An agnostic is someone who believes that the answer to whether there is a god or not is unknowable. I hope i have that right. cn
Hepheastus420
Well-Known Member
Did neer lose you? As much as it makes me seem stupid, he does that to me too.
Later dude, don't get too frustrated with the internet.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
For that I apologize to both of you. Some days I do a better job of keeping it simple than [on] others. cn
Hepheastus420
Well-Known Member
But agnostics don't believe in a god or diety right? So by definition, couldn't an agnostic be an atheist?
And I may just be too confused, but a religious person could also be agnostic right?
I like this thread.. weird.
Moebius
Well-Known Member
Consciousness proves privilege... to me at least. Consciousness is what I respect.... forget the religious argument, for me the fact we ask the question means something profound.
Hepheastus420
Well-Known Member
Not being a kiss-ass (well not trying to be at least), but you have actually increased my intelligence.
Keep it up neer.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I can't make that connection. That may be to my advantage ... or my detriment. I simply do not know. cn