Free seed pre harvest pics

dozer777

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I was wondering about the side growth on pic above. Whack it and balance it out? I'm already this far in. What's a little more? Think i'll go with your suggestion. Thanks man!
 

JASON79

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i would have cut the bottom left branch off if this was my plant as its to far from the light but its best if simond says to cut or not
 

dozer777

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Already did it this morning. They certainly look alot different after the haircut. Hoping it makes for a better harvest.
 

SimonD

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simon do you find bonsia trees any good for a mother plant ?
I don't keep moms as such. I'll flower a run of plants, take clones, then flower the clones and so on. Sometimes, like right now, I keep a few clones back so that I can start back up again in the fall. They'll tun into bigger plants (moms) toward August. I'll take clones, then, for an entire run and likely kill the plants as they'll be too big to flower as effectively. Hope that made sense.

Simon
 

JASON79

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I don't keep moms as such. I'll flower a run of plants, take clones, then flower the clones and so on. Sometimes, like right now, I keep a few clones back so that I can start back up again in the fall. They'll tun into bigger plants (moms) toward August. I'll take clones, then, for an entire run and likely kill the plants as they'll be too big to flower as effectively. Hope that made sense.

Simon
ok thanks simon, so you just take clones before you flower them
 

SimonD

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ok thanks simon, so you just take clones before you flower them
I truly believe there's elegance in simplicity. Looking around the forum, folks fool around with air conditioning systems, water chillers, humidifiers.... I don't use any of that. Just lights, fans, Pro-Mix and a commercial fertilizer. Nothing else. No magic wands, no miracle potions. If I may wax poetic for a moment, there are two major elements to any pursuit - internal and external. In our case, the internal element can be defined as grower skill and the external as all other elements including the environment, the equipment, and arguably the most important, the genetics.

Genetics are crucial. I spend a good amount of time and resources on free seed plants, test runs and the like. The ones I don't keep are posted in this thread. The others will become next season' crop, but I digress. Genetics can mean the difference between a 1oz and a 4 oz plant. Literally. They define the smell, the potency, the bag appeal. All things staying equal, everything rests on the genetics.

My personal experience is such that finding a great plant is a crap shoot. For example, I flowered a free seed not expecting much, as the strain typically yields low. I grew it out solely out of personal curiosity. I actually had two seeds. The plants grew side by side. One yielded 4oz of the smelliest shit you'll get your hands on, beautiful buds hard as a rock that finished in 9 weeks (from seed). The other didn't do badly. It was a ~2.5oz plant with a muskier, earthier smell and a slightly fluffier structure. In September, I'm going out with a full run of the 4-ouncer. I'm convinced that if I were to buy a pack of the strain, as I've done many times hoping to do better, I wouldn't get the same plant again. So, I'm guarding the clone with my life!

Simon
 

JASON79

Active Member
I truly believe there's elegance in simplicity. Looking around the forum, folks fool around with air conditioning systems, water chillers, humidifiers.... I don't use any of that. Just lights, fans, Pro-Mix and a commercial fertilizer. Nothing else. No magic wands, no miracle potions. If I may wax poetic for a moment, there are two major elements to any pursuit - internal and external. In our case, the internal element can be defined as grower skill and the external as all other elements including the environment, the equipment, and arguably the most important, the genetics.

Genetics are crucial. I spend a good amount of time and resources on free seed plants, test runs and the like. The ones I don't keep are posted in this thread. The others will become next season' crop, but I digress. Genetics can mean the difference between a 1oz and a 4 oz plant. Literally. They define the smell, the potency, the bag appeal. All things staying equal, everything rests on the genetics.

My personal experience is such that finding a great plant is a crap shoot. For example, I flowered a free seed not expecting much, as the strain typically yields low. I grew it out solely out of personal curiosity. I actually had two seeds. The plants grew side by side. One yielded 4oz of the smelliest shit you'll get your hands on, beautiful buds hard as a rock that finished in 9 weeks (from seed). The other didn't do badly. It was a ~2.5oz plant with a muskier, earthier smell and a slightly fluffier structure. In September, I'm going out with a full run of the 4-ouncer. I'm convinced that if I were to buy a pack of the strain, as I've done many times hoping to do better, I wouldn't get the same plant again. So, I'm guarding the clone with my life!

Simon

hi simon
so you can get good phenotype from any strain and that how you hit big yeilds
its just pot luck if you have one in the pack or not

so i have not used any boosters, just grow and bloom nutes so that is all you need
i was thinking most of these extra nutes are just to get growers to pay out more and hope it would increase there yeild

thanks simon
 

SimonD

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hi simon
so you can get good phenotype from any strain and that how you hit big yeilds
its just pot luck if you have one in the pack or not
Generally speaking, yes. Keep in mind that I mostly work with Indica-dom hybrids.

so i have not used any boosters, just grow and bloom nutes so that is all you need
i was thinking most of these extra nutes are just to get growers to pay out more and hope it would increase there yeild
It seems like many new growers overcomplicate their feeding regiments. In some ways it's understandable. Growbooks paint a picture that's requires a good deal of complexity, forum posts support the same idea, as they're mostly written by folks who have little experience of their own, and the cycle continues. This isn't to say that those folks are all wrong. There are many ways to skin a cat. I prefer simple and relatively foolproof. You may notice that I use a complete fertilizer. Just add to water and pour into the pots. I've never measured/checked pH - never had a reason to - and I don't feed by measuring PPMs. Everything is systematic. The plants are fed the same every time, relative to their place in the cycle and the strain's (general) response to the fertilizer.

thanks simon
My pleasure. Folks rarely ask me practical questions about growing weed.

Simon
 

dozer777

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Hey Simon,quick update since taking your advice on trimming. My big girls can't come out of the room anymore due to there size. This is my 3rd best. Thanks. 5 weeks today since switch to 12/12. 4 more weeks to go. It should be good!
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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here are some pics of the current grow i've got going at my house. i'm using sunshine #4 advanced mix with about 20% worm castings mixed in. i also run and extra cup or two of perlite on top just so they dry out a little faster. i used advanced nutrients sensi grow a&b and voodoo juice for veg with some botanicare cal/mag plus as needed cause i use r/o water. for flower i used advanced nutrients connoisseur a&b, a few of the advanced additives and cal mag as needed. for clones i use rockwool, thrive alive b-1 red, and superthrive as a foliar spray. i spray my plants with neem oil every 2 weeks throughout veg as a preventative measure.

i run my 2 4x8 tents on a chillking 3hp self contained chiller. they are in my garage and it's really hot where i am so running a chiller is more expensive upfront but much more efficient. plus it allows me to cool my lights, co2 generator, reservoir when i do hydro, and act as a spot a/c for each tent. i run 2 blockbuster hoods in each tent with hortilux 600w bulbs, lumatek ballasts, CAN fans & filters, C.A.P. light controllers, fan temp controllers and hot strike/high temp boxes. i also run 6 100w UV bulbs in the flower tent for three increments of 3 hours for the duration of flower for thc maturing.

i'm running a perpetual with 6 plants every month. these girls went to 12/12 10 days ago. for the first 10-14 days of flower i use MH lights and veg nutes with a small PK boost from the connoisseur part B. plants are topped and LST'd throughout veg and then let go a week or so before switching them to the flower tent.

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thesr girls are day 55 of 12/12. i run them on flower nutes with a little N boost from sensi grow part A (3-0-0). the strain is Sour Diesel i believe. i thought i planted Chees but i think i got the bags confused after looking at previous pics of Sour and Cheese harvests. oh well. trying to pull 800g off 4 plants. probably be more like 650g.

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that's my formula...keep them frosty fellas.
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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That's a very nice little plant, Phil. Thanks for sharing.

Simon
well, you know, growing in a tent has it's restrictions. i'm happy with 160-200g per plant under a 600w. should come in around 700g off those 4. not really 1gpw though cause i do have the UV flood lamps.
 

SimonD

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You already posted the first 4 pics here yesterday. Now you're posting them here again. Great, I guess. Not really sure why you need my approval.

been pulling them out during the day as i do some mods to the tents to get ready for a new chiller and some upgrades.
I just have to ask, how much have you spent on this so far? Seriously. How much has this cost you? You previously mentioned something to the tune of ~$19K. Noting your errr success and the time it took, I'll make you the same offer as I did a couple of months ago: If you make me feel comfortable, I'll just sell you the bud and save you the money, the time, the aggravation and the embarrassment. Let me know.

Simon
 
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