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very scientific RIU presidential election

  • obama

    Votes: 55 60.4%

  • romney

    Votes: 36 39.6%
  • Total voters
    91
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Yeah, if you research that company Diebold, I think they've since changed their name, there's a lot of suspicious back door kind of deals going on. A team from Princeton did a study to see if they could manipulate the current voting system using current technology and succeeded. Had a mock election with the actual machines to see if they could hack them and they did.

Think of other countries, Russia, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Mexico.. there are a lot of places where corruption is clear within the government. Pablo Escobar controlled a portion of the Colombian military and had politicians in his pocket when he was around. If you apply the same logic to our system it seems you would see similar things.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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Padawanbater2 said:
Yeah, if you research that company Diebold, I think they've since changed their name, there's a lot of suspicious back door kind of deals going on. A team from Princeton did a study to see if they could manipulate the current voting system using current technology and succeeded. Had a mock election with the actual machines to see if they could hack them and they did.
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links?
Think of other countries, Russia, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Mexico.. there are a lot of places where corruption is clear within the government. Pablo Escobar controlled a portion of the Colombian military and had politicians in his pocket when he was around. If you apply the same logic to our system it seems you would see similar things.
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yeah im pretty sure thats "pleading"
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ginjawarrior said:
links?

yeah im pretty sure thats "pleading"
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https://jhalderm.com/pub/papers/ts-evt07-init.pdf

Main Findings The main findings of our study are:


1. Malicious software running on a single voting machine can steal votes with little if any risk of detection.
The malicious software can modify all of the records, audit logs, and counters kept by the voting
machine, so that even careful forensic examination of these records will find nothing amiss. We have
constructed demonstration software that carries out this vote-stealing attack.


2. Anyone who has physical access to a voting machine, or to a memory card that will later be inserted
into a machine, can install said malicious software using a simple method that takes as little as one
minute. In practice, poll workers and others often have unsupervised access to the machines.


3. AccuVote-TS machines are susceptible to voting-machine viruses—computer viruses that can spread
malicious software automatically and invisibly from machine to machine during normal pre- and
post-election activity. We have constructed a demonstration virus that spreads in this way, installing
our demonstration vote-stealing program on every machine it infects.


4. While some of these problems can be eliminated by improving Diebold’s software, others cannot be
remedied without replacing the machines’ hardware. Changes to election procedures would also be
required to ensure security.

mysunnyboy said:
convoluted logic for certain, that "if then" dilemma doesn't fit
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I'm saying that it's rampant in other countries, and obviously so, why would our country, much more powerful than any of those other countries, be any different?
 
mysunnyboy

mysunnyboy

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Padawanbater2 said:
Not to be even more discouraging, but when was the last time you took a good look at your average American?
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i know brother believe me.
i'm personally banking on "average americans" like you and me to prevail. we may differ in our ideals but at least we have them.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
https://jhalderm.com/pub/papers/ts-evt07-init.pdf

Main Findings The main findings of our study are:


1. Malicious software running on a single voting machine can steal votes with little if any risk of detection.
The malicious software can modify all of the records, audit logs, and counters kept by the voting
machine, so that even careful forensic examination of these records will find nothing amiss. We have
constructed demonstration software that carries out this vote-stealing attack.


2. Anyone who has physical access to a voting machine, or to a memory card that will later be inserted
into a machine, can install said malicious software using a simple method that takes as little as one
minute. In practice, poll workers and others often have unsupervised access to the machines.


3. AccuVote-TS machines are susceptible to voting-machine viruses—computer viruses that can spread
malicious software automatically and invisibly from machine to machine during normal pre- and
post-election activity. We have constructed a demonstration virus that spreads in this way, installing
our demonstration vote-stealing program on every machine it infects.


4. While some of these problems can be eliminated by improving Diebold’s software, others cannot be
remedied without replacing the machines’ hardware. Changes to election procedures would also be
required to ensure security.



I'm saying that it's rampant in other countries, and obviously so, why would our country, much more powerful than any of those other countries, be any different?
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ok the problems certainly are worrying and i hope they pay attention to security. the nyc was in a way good that on the pilot it happened and gave them a kick in the teeth to worry about.
but its up to you how you use you vote i dont see how they'd differentiate from apathy

the examples of countries you gave have had no problem getting 90%+ of the vote with paper voting the whole system is corrupt there and you dont see people being brought up on it. just the process of going digital doesn't mean your country will follow

you could just as easily say the netherlands has got electronic voting and the usa will follow their example and it would make just as little sense
 
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