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Bad Karma

Bad Karma

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dickkhead said:
Just hit 9 weeks yesterday some look ready but some have clear and cloudy trichs but a shit ton of white hairs
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Yeah, by that point all of my trichs were cloudy, no clear ones left, with amber ones just starting to show up.
My Pineapple Express is very sedative, I originally thought it would be my daytime smoke, but boy was I wrong.
 
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dickkhead

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Did u have white hairs? On one plant she threw out a few more calixes and lots of white hairs they still have some thc production to do some are sugar coated and some not so much
 
Bad Karma

Bad Karma

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dickkhead said:
Did u have white hairs? On one plant she threw out a few more calixes and lots of white hairs they still have some thc production to do some are sugar coated and some not so much
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I had a few white pistils left on the plant when I harvested it, but not many.
The pistils (hairs) can only give you an idea that a plant is getting towards the end.
It's the trichs that let you know when it's really done, so wait till you see some amber start to show up, and you're set.
 
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EkulNaneek

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I did start a grow using a 15watt multi spectrum LED, it started off well, but very soon i felt that the grow was taking way to long. After about a month and a half i swicthed to a 45watt cfl and within a week noticed a hell of a difference. That might be just timing tho cos it started entering pre flowering stage almost instantly. I havent done a 100% grow using only LED but i have given thought to getting a single spectrum LED board, cos saving on the electricity bill would be nice lol
 
Senseimilla

Senseimilla

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Wouldn't you expect 15w to grow very slowly? You're not supplying much energy to the plant for growth... at least 45w is close to 50w/ft2 - 15w not even close
 
Senseimilla

Senseimilla

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Have never heard of them, but their website SCREAMS scam. Any site that doesn't list the actual wattage of their light is hiding something. Hiding = a bad start. The only thing I could find on wattage in their documentation was 330w typical power draw, couldn't find # or type of LEDs used anywhere, or frequencies. Major, major alarms. How much did you pay for this used light???

Walter9999 said:
Noob here my brotha's and first post. I'm a former T5er and I'm making a deal on this light any comments will be appreciated.

http://www.theoremeinnovation.com/sl-presentation-en.html

It's used, around 7 months old and does have the bloom package. I have a small closet grow of around 15sq ft.
I'm working out a barter deal with the current owner so it became mine for no cash
Tia
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curly604

curly604

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i agree , lack of info makes me weary of sites like that if they don't want to share info they are hiding something for sure.
 
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patrikantonius

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No info ? 330w power draw and 183 µmol/sec seem like more info than most of what today's LED panels manufacturers can give.
On the flip side, 183 PAR seem pretty low, I think it is recommended to have something around 500/m² <=> 46.5/sq. ft, but I'm not sure.
 
Walter9999

Walter9999

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@ all responders...thank you

I traded a 2006 Women's Giant mountain bike (the wife's haha) and a 2003 Ocean Kayak brand 2 man kayak for the led light so I'm not out any cash. I currently have a small grow using a 4 bulb T5 it keeps me and my smoking buddy with enough grass to get high and get by.

I.ve seen the results the light produces from a local electric farmer who grow a huge crop of lettuce with this light and he's harvesting every 27 days. I'm not concerned about the company due to the fact I've seen the light in a working environment over a period of time. This is not a toy, it's got some balls to it and I'm looking forward to giving it a shot.
I have a G13 Blueberry Gum LSTed going on 4 weeks and 1 G13 Sour Jack and 1 G13 White Widow just out of germ. I plan on moving the babies outside while I run the BG through flower and by that time the other 2 will be a nice size to move back inside to ripen. We'll see....nice to be on board ladies!
 
Senseimilla

Senseimilla

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patrikantonius said:
No info ? 330w power draw and 183 µmol/sec seem like more info than most of what today's LED panels manufacturers can give.
On the flip side, 183 PAR seem pretty low, I think it is recommended to have something around 500/m² <=> 46.5/sq. ft, but I'm not sure.
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So how many LEDs does it have? What wattage is each LED (1w,2w,3w,5w)? What spectrums are the LEDs in by count? These are all BASICS every reputable LED seller offers.

330W power draw could mean there are 330w of LEDs or 500W of LEDs operating at 330W power or any variation - Power draw almost never is exactly equal to light wattage in LEDs for any manufacturer I know. 330 1w LEDs? 110 3W? Are they cree LEDs? It makes a difference. It's not so much not knowing the info, but that they don't put it out -- they are either hiding the info, or don't know enough about their own product line to know this is basic information any knowledgable LED consumer is going to ask for. They don't even have it in their PDF with the full specification. It could be a great light -- I'm not saying it's not -- I'm just saying when I see that it sets off major alarm bells if I don't have other people's grows I trust to see it is working. If you have a bad experience, don't blame LEDS and say you weren't warned. When it comes to LEDs it's generally best to go with a well known/tested manufacturer. This is not one. If you've already bought it, best of luck -- like I said, could be an awesome LED light.
 
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patrikantonius

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Number of LEDs and LED power is totally irrelevant imo, there are some very bad 5w, some very good 2w and the reverse also applies. As you can see with blackstar for instance, the "LED wattage" is totally misleading, they advertise a product for 240w when in fact it is only 135w. You're right on the spectrum, but some very high-end manufacturers don't disclose their spectrum either (illumitex...).
This brand may be less known than blackstar or apollo but those two are also very well known for their issues.
My 2 cents anyway, this panel could also be total garbage.
 
Senseimilla

Senseimilla

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The blackstars perform higher than their power draw -- no issues so far myself. Not disagreeing with you that the number/type of LEDs doesn't tell you for sure it's a good light -- just saying it is basic information any LED maker should disclose and it is disturbing to me that it would ever be left completely off the site either intentionally or unintentionally. Neither tells a good story about the maker. Either their devious or incompetent.
 
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patrikantonius

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I don't understand your logic. I personally don't think that you have the necessary grounds to judge whether this company is devious/incompetent or not. Basic information that every LED manufacturer SHOULD give is the PAR output of their panels, because it directly reflects the actual quantity of light that comes out. And along with spectrum and power consumption, that's what matter the most.
On a side note, "LED power" (such as 1w, 3w, 5w...) is something that originates from the Chinese LED makers and there is no respectable western LED maker (Cree, Philips, Osram, Bridgelux, etc.) who use this kind of denomination.
 
Senseimilla

Senseimilla

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OK, well go ahead how you like. Before I buy an LED, I want to know how many of each type of LED in what spectrum or I'm not interested. There most definitely is a difference between different wattage LEDs. How many people do you know still buying 1w or 2w LEDs? Are you saying no respectable led maker such as cree would want it listed that their LEDs are the ones used on a light??? Are you saying spectrum doesn't matter?!??!?! (also not listed) You're awful defensive of this company are you sure you're not associated with them?
 
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