cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Actually the spent ones are nasty. The unspent ones are essentially high-grade ore. cn
antartic ice cap not melting after all
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ginjawarrior
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Lol the author should have used that for scaremongering instead
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Exactly. There is humor value in backfiring spin. cn
MacGuyver4.2.0
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Well, since I actually DO know real life rocket scientists, I proposed a question to them one day.
I asked 3 of them (the other 2 left the room earlier to get our coffee) what we should do about the spent nuclear fuel rods (which are made up of small cylinder shaped pellets enriched with U238
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fuel_Pellet.jpg
They pretty much all agreed that there was no 'safe' place on the planet esp as more and more are spent and stored.
SO, I thought for a few seconds and said- "Then get it off the fucking planet you genuises. Or do I have to think of everything?"
(sound of silence, followed by gears turning and smoke issuing).
"SHOOT IT INTO Space! That's AWESOME!" they all proclaim.
-gives them some more rocket type employment for awhile.
-solves problem of storing dangerous spent fuel here on Earth.
-encourages use of more nuclear energy till fusion finally gets here.
Now they are all excited as the coffee has arrived and they can get further would up.
Then one of them says... "wait a minute...who's going to pay for that?"
(more silence)
Sigh... O.K. guys.. listen up- this is how it's going to go work:
You NASA guys routinely launch satelites, probes, landers, etc into space right?
The next probe that is being launched will be from a multi stage rocket.
You aim the rockets trajectory for our Sun. As the small rocket approaches the Sun, the 'probe' section of the rocket breaks away onto another trajectory away from the Sun.
The spent nuclear payload container/section continues on it's final, fiery path towards the Sun and it's finally consumed by the fusion power of the Sun.
This:
-places a probe or other space item into space.
-gets rid of hazardous or dangerous items..forever.
-is self funded. How?
The agencies or companies that want to put stuff into space PAY for the launch and have to accept the 'nuclear garbage can' as a passenger.
"OMG! THAT'S AWESOME! YOUR A GENIUS!!!, blah,blah blah..."
After about sixty seconds of smiling and big grins and shaking hands we stop... and get a real sad look on my face.
"What's wrong??!" -they ask.
-I JUST figured out WHY it will never work.
-If you load up a rocket with spent nuclear fuel, you will have every terrorist asshole in the world clamoring and falling over themselves to get to that rocket and blow it up! Instant, huge dirty bomb, causing widespread death and destruction!
SO we all looked pretty sad, sipping our coffee...and dreaming about what could have been.
Then I spill my coffee on myself and say OH SHIT!!!
(yes the coffee is %$!@#? hot, but that's not why I said that).
I JUST figured out how to ensure the safety of any rocket being launched!
-You launch it from THEIR COUNTRY!!!
(they are not going to blow up a deadly rocket on thier own people are they?)
But... we all look at each other and shake our heads and get sad once more...
The moral of the story- (yes it has one and you can quote me if you want)
"NO matter HOW GREAT your idea is, all it takes is one asshole to ruin it for everyone". ~MacGuyver 4.2.0
I asked 3 of them (the other 2 left the room earlier to get our coffee) what we should do about the spent nuclear fuel rods (which are made up of small cylinder shaped pellets enriched with U238
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fuel_Pellet.jpg
They pretty much all agreed that there was no 'safe' place on the planet esp as more and more are spent and stored.
SO, I thought for a few seconds and said- "Then get it off the fucking planet you genuises. Or do I have to think of everything?"
(sound of silence, followed by gears turning and smoke issuing).
"SHOOT IT INTO Space! That's AWESOME!" they all proclaim.
-gives them some more rocket type employment for awhile.
-solves problem of storing dangerous spent fuel here on Earth.
-encourages use of more nuclear energy till fusion finally gets here.
Now they are all excited as the coffee has arrived and they can get further would up.
Then one of them says... "wait a minute...who's going to pay for that?"
(more silence)
Sigh... O.K. guys.. listen up- this is how it's going to go work:
You NASA guys routinely launch satelites, probes, landers, etc into space right?
The next probe that is being launched will be from a multi stage rocket.
You aim the rockets trajectory for our Sun. As the small rocket approaches the Sun, the 'probe' section of the rocket breaks away onto another trajectory away from the Sun.
The spent nuclear payload container/section continues on it's final, fiery path towards the Sun and it's finally consumed by the fusion power of the Sun.
This:
-places a probe or other space item into space.
-gets rid of hazardous or dangerous items..forever.
-is self funded. How?
The agencies or companies that want to put stuff into space PAY for the launch and have to accept the 'nuclear garbage can' as a passenger.
"OMG! THAT'S AWESOME! YOUR A GENIUS!!!, blah,blah blah..."
After about sixty seconds of smiling and big grins and shaking hands we stop... and get a real sad look on my face.
"What's wrong??!" -they ask.
-I JUST figured out WHY it will never work.
-If you load up a rocket with spent nuclear fuel, you will have every terrorist asshole in the world clamoring and falling over themselves to get to that rocket and blow it up! Instant, huge dirty bomb, causing widespread death and destruction!
SO we all looked pretty sad, sipping our coffee...and dreaming about what could have been.
Then I spill my coffee on myself and say OH SHIT!!!
(yes the coffee is %$!@#? hot, but that's not why I said that).
I JUST figured out how to ensure the safety of any rocket being launched!
-You launch it from THEIR COUNTRY!!!
(they are not going to blow up a deadly rocket on thier own people are they?)
But... we all look at each other and shake our heads and get sad once more...
The moral of the story- (yes it has one and you can quote me if you want)
"NO matter HOW GREAT your idea is, all it takes is one asshole to ruin it for everyone". ~MacGuyver 4.2.0
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Lol and lol! I followed a similar train of thought once. The safety factor of putting it into orbit was of course the dealbreaker, but there is another one, sufficient to itself: the costs of launch. We only have chemical drive at this time, and the sheer cost of launching the waste would exceed the profit made by selling the electricity it generated. There's always pulse-nuclear for cheap heavy lift to orbit, but I leave spotting the problem with that as an exercise to the reader.Well, since I actually DO know real life rocket scientists, I proposed a question to them one day.
I asked 3 of them (the other 2 left the room earlier to get our coffee) what we should do about the spent nuclear fuel rods (which are made up of small cylinder shaped pellets enriched with U238
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fuel_Pellet.jpg
They pretty much all agreed that there was no 'safe' place on the planet esp as more and more are spent and stored.
SO, I thought for a few seconds and said- "Then get it off the fucking planet you genuises. Or do I have to think of everything?"
(sound of silence, followed by gears turning and smoke issuing).
"SHOOT IT INTO Space! That's AWESOME!" they all proclaim.
-gives them some more rocket type employment for awhile.
-solves problem of storing dangerous spent fuel here on Earth.
-encourages use of more nuclear energy till fusion finally gets here.
Now they are all excited as the coffee has arrived and they can get further would up.
Then one of them says... "wait a minute...who's going to pay for that?"
(more silence)
Sigh... O.K. guys.. listen up- this is how it's going to go work:
You NASA guys routinely launch satelites, probes, landers, etc into space right?
The next probe that is being launched will be from a multi stage rocket.
You aim the rockets trajectory for our Sun. As the small rocket approaches the Sun, the 'probe' section of the rocket breaks away onto another trajectory away from the Sun.
The spent nuclear payload container/section continues on it's final, fiery path towards the Sun and it's finally consumed by the fusion power of the Sun.
This:
-places a probe or other space item into space.
-gets rid of hazardous or dangerous items..forever.
-is self funded. How?
The agencies or companies that want to put stuff into space PAY for the launch and have to accept the 'nuclear garbage can' as a passenger.
"OMG! THAT'S AWESOME! YOUR A GENIUS!!!, blah,blah blah..."
After about sixty seconds of smiling and big grins and shaking hands we stop... and get a real sad look on my face.
"What's wrong??!" -they ask.
-I JUST figured out WHY it will never work.
-If you load up a rocket with spent nuclear fuel, you will have every terrorist asshole in the world clamoring and falling over themselves to get to that rocket and blow it up! Instant, huge dirty bomb, causing widespread death and destruction!
SO we all looked pretty sad, sipping our coffee...and dreaming about what could have been.
Then I spill my coffee on myself and say OH SHIT!!!
(yes the coffee is %$!@#? hot, but that's not why I said that).
I JUST figured out how to ensure the safety of any rocket being launched!
-You launch it from THEIR COUNTRY!!!
(they are not going to blow up a deadly rocket on thier own people are they?)
But... we all look at each other and shake our heads and get sad once more...
The moral of the story- (yes it has one and you can quote me if you want)
"NO matter HOW GREAT your idea is, all it takes is one asshole to ruin it for everyone". ~MacGuyver 4.2.0
I disagree that there are no safe places on the planet. Vitrify the waste and bury it in a tench by a subduction zone. Way cheaper than space, and just as inaccessible to terrorists without the resources characteristic of rich nations. cn
ChronicObsession
Well-Known Member
This is only the beginning. We as a society believe a lot of what big brother tells us during TV time. Debunking popular bullshit on the internet is a great campaign against the one world gubenment's plan
ChronicObsession
Well-Known Member
As for spent radioactive rods, I propose launching them out into space, far beyond earth's little grabitational field, and let a random blackhole take care of that shit
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
"Hot load" humor aside, that would be uneconomical. Interestingly ... if it were economical it would probably be unnecessary, since cheap orbital tech would almost guarantee an advanced energy source. Jmo.
<add> I'm guessing "grabitation" is deliberate. I likes me a good pun.
cn
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
bat - ball = $1.00
bat + ball = $1.10
----------------------
2bat = $2.10
bat = $2.10/2
bat = $1.05
$1.05 + ball = $1.10
ball = $1.10 - $1.05
ball = $0.05
Since no one else answered, I thought I'd try. Did I get it right? The ball cost 5¢.
bat + ball = $1.10
----------------------
2bat = $2.10
bat = $2.10/2
bat = $1.05
$1.05 + ball = $1.10
ball = $1.10 - $1.05
ball = $0.05
Since no one else answered, I thought I'd try. Did I get it right? The ball cost 5¢.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That'll work. If n is the price of the ball, the total is 2n plus $1.00.
cn
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
It's been over 20 years since I took algebra, and over 15 since calculus in high school.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It's been a spell for me as well. Like riding a bicycle ... the hard part is catching it and throwing the previous rider off.
cn
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
i'd be much happier if they reprocessed and reused it.Lol and lol! I followed a similar train of thought once. The safety factor of putting it into orbit was of course the dealbreaker, but there is another one, sufficient to itself: the costs of launch. We only have chemical drive at this time, and the sheer cost of launching the waste would exceed the profit made by selling the electricity it generated. There's always pulse-nuclear for cheap heavy lift to orbit, but I leave spotting the problem with that as an exercise to the reader.
the currant practice of using a tiny percentage of power while leaving waste that will last longer than humans have existed just doesnt make sense
spend a bit more money for more power and waste thats only a risk for few hundred years
then bury it
desert dude
Well-Known Member
You still got it, baby!
