First time outdoor grower in need of some help

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tsboss1

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Hello all, I put two pinapple express clones outside last Sunday which started indoors in a soiless mix (hempy bucket) and I am having some issues with both of them. This is my first attempt at using soil and growing outdoors so I am unfamiliar with these signs. Here is a little info on what I did:

Mixed Fox Farm's Happy Frog with Ocean Forest Soil 50:50 in a 10 gallon Smart Pot watering both with 1 gallon of tap water in each bucket. I took these pics after I watered with Plain tap water Ph'ed at 6.9 with 5ML of Call-MG Any help would be appreciated. So far I have seen a few worms in the soil and some roly polys I believe...I sprayed the plants with an organic pesticide as a foiler feed to rid all pest Last sunday and today.

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Thanks for the fast reply. Its been over 90 Degrees all week and I have watered 3 times from last sunday to today. How can I fix this N issue? also should I stop watering even though its going to be over 90 all next week?
 
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xebeche

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Depending on what the original "soil-less mix" they were growing in before, it could be a bit of a shock moving them into the current soil mix. I would just let them be for a while. No watering, no pesticides, no additional fertilizers, etc.

Also, if you're using tap water, you probably don't need to add the Cal-Mag. I think most folks add that when they're using RO water. If your tap water is anything like ours, it has plenty of Ca and Mg in it already.
 
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xebeche said:
Depending on what the original "soil-less mix" they were growing in before, it could be a bit of a shock moving them into the current soil mix. I would just let them be for a while. No watering, no pesticides, no additional fertilizers, etc.

Also, if you're using tap water, you probably don't need to add the Cal-Mag. I think most folks add that when they're using RO water. If your tap water is anything like ours, it has plenty of Ca and Mg in it already.
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Hello xebeche,

I had it in straight perlite with OC+ prior to transplanting to the soil. I figured the light green was a sign of N def. and usually cal mg takes care of that (atleast for my perlite/oc+ grow)
 
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xebeche

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tsboss1 said:
Hello xebeche,

I had it in straight perlite with OC+ prior to transplanting to the soil. I figured the light green was a sign of N def. and usually cal mg takes care of that (atleast for my perlite/oc+ grow)
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Yeah, I'm not sure what OC+ is (some kind of fertilizer for hydroponics?), but I do think going from Perlite to that soil mix would be a significant shock for your plant. Give it some time (and water only when necessary), and I think it'll start looking better.

Personally, I prefer Roots Organic soil mixes (or even my own recipes made from ingredients bought at Home Depot) over Fox Farm soil mixes. I've read about too many problems with FF soils.

Good luck, and keep us posted.
 
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tsboss1

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xebeche said:
Yeah, I'm not sure what OC+ is (some kind of fertilizer for hydroponics?), but I do think going from Perlite to that soil mix would be a significant shock for your plant. Give it some time (and water only when necessary), and I think it'll start looking better.

Personally, I prefer Roots Organic soil mixes (or even my own recipes made from ingredients bought at Home Depot) over Fox Farm soil mixes. I've read about too many problems with FF soils.

Good luck, and keep us posted.
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Osmocote plus is timed released nutrients by scotts. Here is a pic of the label so you van see whats in it: Osmocote_Plus_Plant_Food_Nutrient_Analysis.png
I plan on putting a few more outside by the end of the week so maybe I will just use roots organic and do a side by side to see what happens..
 
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xebeche

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Ah ha. I would stay away from the Osmocote (or any other "time-release" fertilizers). They tend to release nutrients unevenly and can burn or undernourish plants.

Since the plants were started in straight Perlite, you might think about mixing in more Perlite to whatever soil mix you're using. Even with the Roots mix (I use the coco-based soil mix...which has a very light nutrient charge in it), I often cut it with more Perlite just to keep it from getting compacted over time. The more Perlite you add to your soil mix, the closer it'll be to what they're used to...and so less shock going from straight Perlite to Perlite/soil mix. A 2:1 or 3:1 mix of RO soil mix and Perlite would be a perfectly good base mix for your plants, imo.

Any solution-based fertilizer can be used with the RO soil mixes. I've used the "organic"-type ferts like Pureblend Pro, and the strictly "chemical" types like Foliage Pro, Jack's Classic, and even Miracle Grow (the blue stuff). They'll all work. Just stay away from Osmocote. You want something that can be washed out easily if you overdo the feeding.
 
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tsboss1

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xebeche said:
Ah ha. I would stay away from the Osmocote (or any other "time-release" fertilizers). They tend to release nutrients unevenly and can burn or undernourish plants.

Since the plants were started in straight Perlite, you might think about mixing in more Perlite to whatever soil mix you're using. Even with the Roots mix (I use the coco-based soil mix...which has a very light nutrient charge in it), I often cut it with more Perlite just to keep it from getting compacted over time. The more Perlite you add to your soil mix, the closer it'll be to what they're used to...and so less shock going from straight Perlite to Perlite/soil mix. A 2:1 or 3:1 mix of RO soil mix and Perlite would be a perfectly good base mix for your plants, imo.

Any solution-based fertilizer can be used with the RO soil mixes. I've used the "organic"-type ferts like Pureblend Pro, and the strictly "chemical" types like Foliage Pro, Jack's Classic, and even Miracle Grow (the blue stuff). They'll all work. Just stay away from Osmocote. You want something that can be washed out easily if you overdo the feeding.
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Osmocote plus is great, just google Hempy Bucket or look it up on here. Its a few guys that grow monster plants with just osmocote plus and perlite/vermeculite mixes. I would include a few journal links in this post but I dont know if its against the forum rules but for my outdoor soil, I did not add any of that in there...just the FF ocean forest and happy frog mixed 50:50. It already had perlite in the soil so I didnt think to add more of it. Maybe ill add a cup full to the top of the pot and see what happens...

Thanks for your help. Would love to here what anyone else has to say
 
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