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New world order

Hepheastus420

Well-Known Member
Sorry didn't realize I would be enlightening folks; just wasting time. I don't know where to start. They've accomplished it. How better to take away rights from freedom loving folks than Fear? After 911 we had a great derangement- everyone was angry and scared. We wanted to believe that this dumbass that might be fun to have a beer with could actually protect us so we believed everything and anything. They passed the Patriot Act with flying colors and no one voted against it except I think one. We started a war that made Cheney's cronies billions and billions because somehow Saddam caused 911 in our feeble minds. They control with FEAR... they got what is going on now - the 4th admendment, a joke now. Freedom of Speech? As long as you don't say anything they don't like. Freedom of the Press, that's been a joke and now I believe only 2 different entities own the mass media. Ever wonder why the rest of the world looks down on us?
You're wasting time worrying. I'm trying to lift you up with some of the knowledge I have :).

They haven't taken away our freedom. I can choose to follow allah today then I can follow jesus next week. I can talk back to the president. I can say what I believe is right without getting my head chopped off. Our freedom is more alive than ever.. Just think a couple of years back, it was "right" to own a slave and woman didn't have a "voice".

Help me out here, what is the patriot act? I know.. probably an extremely stupid question lol.
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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I love it! I am remembering is it the Hopi? that believe in something like 6 Fires or something that is said to have predicted the past and there is one more coming believed to predict overcoming the White Men?
I have absolutely no clue man lol Im interested though. The white man were very successful taking our culture away from us. I just know a little bit about my tribes. Got any links to these hopi predictions?
 

Trolling

New Member
Osama was to blame for 9/11 and freedom of speech still lives, but why spend billions just to put fear in people? I would think they would think things thru a little better plot but anything is possible. Also all the Jahid terrorist that supported him and the attack that happened before that and then after 9/11, the attacks in other countries, adds up. If the government is covering something up on this one, bravo I say.
 

budlover13

King Tut
Yup, I just assumed people would get what I was saying.

Arguing is to see who wins and debate is to show what's right. Debate is open to humilty. Arguments lead to both parties closing their ears and talking louder.
Unfortunately, you're correct. Debate CAN lead to a conclusion, as do arguments often times (although most often the outcome is undesirable to both "parties" *groups involved, not Reps and Dems*.

My son has shown me this principle explicitly. If i ARGUE with him (almost 13), we both get pissed off, lose our argument basis, frustrated, etc. If we both agree to TALK (and walk away when necessary to collect our thoughts) then we made more progress imo.

EVERYONE needs to take a second and collect their thoughts sometimes.
 

MellowFarmer

Well-Known Member
Osama was to blame for 9/11 and freedom of speech still lives, but why spend billions just to put fear in people? I would think they would think things thru a little better plot but anything is possible. Also all the Jahid terrorist that supported him and the attack that happened before that and then after 9/11, the attacks in other countries, adds up. If the government is covering something up on this one, bravo I say.
How about this theory? Fact: Osama worked for the CIA we just do not know if he was still at the time. What if they just knew about it and let it happen?
 

MellowFarmer

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I have absolutely no clue man lol Im interested though. The white man were very successful taking our culture away from us. I just know a little bit about my tribes. Got any links to these hopi predictions?
lol it was during a Native Studies class circa the same semester I wrote the paper... does Hopi sound correct though? I was hoping you'd fill in my blanks :lol:
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

Well-Known Member
lol it was during a Native Studies class circa the same semester I wrote the paper... does Hopi sound correct though? I was hoping you'd fill in my blanks :lol:
Never heard of them. Im from Canada and Canada has a handful of tribes, mostly in the southern parts, and the U.S has like a 100 tribes lol
 

Trolling

New Member
Osama did have spies in the military so that would have been possible if they never caught him and by saying he worked for the CIA still means you believe the fear theory so not sure what to add to that.
 

MellowFarmer

Well-Known Member
I've gotten this so far... it was a documentary maybe they used fire as a symbol in it and I am confused. This says we are in the Hopi 5th world after the white men lost their way.

[h=2]Thomas Banacyca Talks about the Hopi Prophecy[/h]
The circle with the 4 (o's) and cross within (above), symbolizes the Four Corners Region (where Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico meet - a very high energy vortex). The circle represents no end - the infinite Great Spirit. The Indians believe we are the 5th World of Man. When the 4th World was destroyed (this destruction was foretold), those Indians who had listened were guided to places of safety, underground. After the 5th World was created, they assembled at Four Corners and were instructed to spread out in the four directions (north - south - east - west). Four (4) also represents the four elements in nature: fire, water, air and earth; and the four color races of man.
In the Hopi Prophecy, it spoke of a white man who would come to them and help transform the entire continent into a spiritual paradise. He would be recognized because he would carry the fragment of stone which would complete their Holy Stone, filled with Indian writing characters. The Holy Stone had been preserved for thousands of years. Thus, when the white settlers came to the American continent, remembering their prophecy, they were openly welcomed. The Indians shared all they had. But, in return, all the White Man did was to take. The Indians noticed that their White Brothers had brought a cross. However, it was not enclosed by the circle of the Great Spirit, showing the White Man had lost his way.
The Indians believe that at the beginning of the 5th World, when man was told to disburse throughout the planet, from Four Corners, the White Race was one of the original races that went East. Upon their return to our continent, they had become confused and forgotten the ways of the Great Spirit. Further the prophecy continued, either the White Man would bring peace and harmony or attempt to totally destroy the Indian's way of life and take all his possessions and the land. If the latter occured, (which is clearly the case today) there would come a time when the Indian people would appear to be almost non-existent. Yet, one day, they would rise out of nowhere, as the white race is falling due to their own ignorance and destruction, to lead a spiritual revolution, so all people on this continent would become attuned to the Great Spirit. To hold fast to the traditional ways even if it seemed that everything was against them. To protect Four Corners at all cost, because there is great power under the land that if it is allowed to escape, great destruction would result. Today, the Indians are going through the test to hold onto their traditional ways and protect the land. The White Man's society is trying to swallow the Indians up. Many of their people, especially the young, are falling prey to the White Man's ways.
Their prophecy also talks about creation of atomic bombs as catastrophes of great heat, equal to the heat of a sun. It also warns about tampering with the moon (violating its nature by removing rocks, soil from moon)
(Related to the Big Mountain issue:) It is their duty/responsibility to their family, animals and all of nature, to keep this land protected and in harmony. Everything in nature has a power in it. Water represents purification of human beings. All spiritual people should unite on a spiritual path. To save this land is a mission assigned by the Great Spirit.
One of the prophecies - All Indians and Non-Indians would one day (now) begin to understand a great problem facing all people. Someday a white brother who went away to record things will return to this land and bring spiritual life to the continent. When White Brother returns, Hopi must keep their spiritual ways so they can show others how to live the right way. Very important job. Elders know ancient knowledge, which also will be shared at the right time with all. Based on prophecy, Indians welcomed the white man. White man destroyed privledge. Indians gave hospitality and whites took everything. Indians do not lie - Whites tricked Indians with lies. By prophecy - Four Corners will be area of confrontation between White and Red. Indians will be pushed into Four Corners. Great Spirit told Hopi - Four Corners is the backbone of the United States. Hopi must hold land till Human Beings live in harmony. The power under the land would be used for destruction. (There would be a) Terrible punishment if give up Four Corners. (Hopi Elders also know about the prophecies of earth changes and Space Brothers - side note).
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Our government is a joke. I'm just saying that there will always be powerful people who abuse their power.
Not true, wanna bet on it? =p, I guarantee in 10 or so years theres gunna be no government or powerful people, if there is powerful people then they'll barely have more power than the average citizen... You cant possibly think a revolution is not gunna happen, I dont think the world can be blind and submissive for much longer.

(edit)... Shit, even if I win that, theres gunna be no such thing as money in the future lol.
 

smok3h

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Not true, wanna bet on it? =p, I guarantee in 10 or so years theres gunna be no government or powerful people, if there is powerful people then they'll barely have more power than the average citizen... You cant possibly think a revolution is not gunna happen, I dont think the world can be blind and submissive for much longer.

(edit)... Shit, even if I win that, theres gunna be no such thing as money in the future lol.
I will take this bet.
 

MellowFarmer

Well-Known Member
Osama did have spies in the military so that would have been possible if they never caught him and by saying he worked for the CIA still means you believe the fear theory so not sure what to add to that.
Osama worked for the CIA. Fact. Russia attacking Afganistan... ring any bells?
 
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