I'd say now is a good time to CYA

Winter Woman

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Put this here because T&T wasn't right and Briefcase is all about the pot business. So I put this here.

Politics aside, it is absolutely terrifying what is actually happening. Regardless of your political tendencies these numbers are a stark warning to hunker down and be financial ready to hold the fort down for awhile longer. Below is from Investor's Business Daily they play the numbers straight. ~


Nonfarm payrolls rose by just 80,000 in June, slightly worse than expected and the third straight month of sub-100,000 job growth. The jobless rate held at 8.2%. The employment report was disappointing. Here are 10 reasons why the jobs market is even worse than the headline figures.


1. Unemployment has topped 8% for 41 straight months. Last time above 8% - December 1983.


2. The jobless rate actually makes the labor market look better than it actually is. The rate only counts people who want a job but don't have one. But the labor force participation rate was 63.8% in June, just above near modern-era lows. (It was 66.2% in January 2008 and 67.3% in April 2000). Otherwise, unemployment would be around 11%.


3. The employment-to-population ratio for those aged 25-54 dipped to 75.6% in June, down sharply from 80% in January 2008. Many economists left and right view the core employment ratio as one of the cleanest views of the labor market, because it includes those who have stopped looking for work while excluding the bulge in retirees and young adults in school.


4. Chronic unemployment. The average length of unemployment rose to 39.9 weeks in June, close to recent peak. It was 17.4 weeks at the January 2008 peak and 23.9 weeks in June 2009, when the recession officially ended. Long-term joblessness is particularly bad because skills erode or become obsolete, leading to permanent losses in income.


5. The U.S. added 225,000 jobs in the second quarter vs. 677,000 in Q1. That was the smallest quarterly gain since Q1 2010 — excluding the Q3 2010 post-Census decline. June's gain of 80,000 is not enough to absorb new workers to prevent the unemployment rate from rising over the long term.


6. Nonfarm payrolls are 4.935 million, or 3.6%, below their January 2008 peak.


7. This is already the longest jobs recession since the Great Depression at 53 months. Payrolls aren't on track to reach the old highs until June 2015, assuming the sluggish economic expansion lasts that long.


8. Private sector "doing fine"? Private-sector employment still down 3.9%, or 4.502 million. Government jobs overall are down 1.9%, with federal jobs (ex post office) up 10.7%.


9. Entrepreneurial activity fading. The number of startup firms has crashed from pre-recession highs, still near levels previously seen in the early 1980s, when the number of establishments was far lower. Establishments less than a year old, including those belonging to the same firm, totaled 556,553 in 2010, according to the latest Commerce Department data. That's down 26% from the peak of 747,278 in 2006. Meanwhile, the number of employees at startups has plunged, with a greater share of new firms with no employees — one-man shops. Very small startups are less likely to invest or to grow, a bad sign for future hiring.


10. Gross hiring. The monthly payrolls report refers to net job gains — hiring minus the number of people who were laid off or quit. Layoffs are near decade lows. Actual gross hiring fell to 4.175 million in April, the most recent month in Labor's JOLTS survey. That's the lowest since last July. Weak gross hiring reflects companies remaining cautious. It also makes it harder for the unemployed to find work, which is probably one reason why unemployment duration is so high.

 

UncleBuck

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we added jobs again? :cuss:

fuck you obama! i want that 800k jobs lost per month thingy that bush made happen.
 

chrishydro

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We are not going to add jobs until the banks start to lend period. With that said the bank wont lend until the intrest rates go up not down. They have to be able to make money or they can not set up reserves to offset losses, once again PERIOD.

Once Obama is out of office watch the fed raise rates. No one talks about it on either side because people freak out when they hear that so it is not a good campaign promise to make.

It, however, is exactly what will happen and the economy will be better off with it.
 

UncleBuck

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Once Obama is out of office watch the fed raise rates.
gee, the fed only said this LAST FUCKING SUMMER!

well, they said they were keeping them low until 2013, whether obama is still in office or not. nonetheless, way to parrot what has already been said.
 

desert dude

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We are not going to add jobs until the banks start to lend period. With that said the bank wont lend until the intrest rates go up not down. They have to be able to make money or they can not set up reserves to offset losses, once again PERIOD.

Once Obama is out of office watch the fed raise rates. No one talks about it on either side because people freak out when they hear that so it is not a good campaign promise to make.

It, however, is exactly what will happen and the economy will be better off with it.
It seems to be a matter of faith that low interest rates are a blessing, but there is another side to interest rates.

Savers... remember them, they are the ones who were responsible with their finances, they have been sacrificed in this low interest rate environment. The last few years has been a transfer of capital from responsible people to the crony-capitalists and the cheese eaters.
 

londonfog

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Why do people celebrate when they hear bad news for the country all because they want Obama out.They say they don't but we all know they do. Pretty sad when we have people that would rather see this country fail then to see Barack Hussein Obama as their president.
 

woodsmaneh!

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if anyone had a magic bullet they would use it, Obama or any leader for that mater can only work with the hand he is dealt. Could he do a better job yup you bet so could we all.....

Maybe he should cut the drug war by 50% and save 7 Billion, make pot legal and tax the shit out of it. Support the keystone pipe line (there are 17 lines that run the rout now!)WTF

Just saying
 

woodsmaneh!

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Why do people celebrate when they hear bad news for the country all because they want Obama out.They say they don't but we all know they do. Pretty sad when we have people that would rather see this country fail then to see Barack Hussein Obama as their president.
those are the same people who if they saw Obama walk on water they would say he can't swim.....
 

UncleBuck

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3. The employment-to-population ratio for those aged 25-54 dipped to 75.6% in June, down sharply from 80% in January 2008.
this is hilariously partisan hackish.

gee, the recession that happened under shrub came to a head in late 2008, why don't they talk about how much that figure dropped between january 2008 and january 2009? :dunce:

i think i know why, winter woman :lol:

hackery of the partisan type.
 

Corso312

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I never believe these bullshit unemployment stats...I believe the unemployment rarte is well over 10% and closer to 13 or 14%...if someone had a job and is no longer eligible for unemployment bennies do they just chalk that up as this guy found a job? I believe they do.
 

UncleBuck

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if anyone had a magic bullet they would use it, Obama or any leader for that mater can only work with the hand he is dealt. Could he do a better job yup you bet so could we all.....

Maybe he should cut the drug war by 50% and save 7 Billion, make pot legal and tax the shit out of it. Support the keystone pipe line (there are 17 lines that run the rout now!)WTF

Just saying
there are 17 oil pipelines over the ogallalla aquifer? news to me.
 

Nitegazer

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If you want to get a handle on how bad the situation really is (I donno, maybe you don't like to sleep at night), check out this site. It has a very good reputation and is not partisan-- though it is very critial of gov't.

http://www.shadowstats.com/
 

Winter Woman

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Banking isn't my thing but stocks are. If the regulators and CFO's had in fact been doing their jobs quite a bit of what occurred Enron, Southpointe, Madoff, etc., would have been taken out of the present day equation. Instead, we are finding more and more payoffs, i.e., Countrywide. The heads of the regulators should roll. Executives responsible for illegal acts need to go to jail.

From what I can see it looks like most global stock markets are lower today. I would not invest in anything French for a bit.

I hope this financial mess corrects before they give us QE3.
 

Nitegazer

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Management of the financial mess can be summarized as: Kick the can down the road.

The Fed, and now European Banks, are wading into waters that have never been deeply analyzed from an economic point of view. This is like giving a dying patient a shot of the most powerful drug available, with no understanding of long term effects. In other words, WinterWoman, the scandals you list are just a tiny fraction of the monetary mess we have ourselves into.

It may sound crazy, but I am still mildly optimistic, only because the wealthy and powerful really have their necks on the line. If they don't figure out a way to preserve their system, they stand to lose the most.
 

Winter Woman

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this is hilariously partisan hackish.

gee, the recession that happened under shrub came to a head in late 2008, why don't they talk about how much that figure dropped between january 2008 and january 2009? :dunce:

i think i know why, winter woman :lol:

hackery of the partisan type.
And its not hackery when you do it? So, now go and make some personal attacks, it is your style.
 

londonfog

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I think it's the attitude of people who want to see Obama failure for some of the problems for this country. Did not the 2010 Congress guys run on jobs. What bill have they passed to help this ????
 
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