malignant
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urca could have done a better job.
I'd say now is a good time to CYA
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Corso312
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Why should federal gov subsidize these greedy oil tycoons? I read the oil companies have hundreds of drill rights all over the country and just don't excersize them because they are hoarding them to keep the price high and use the high prices to fool dumb americans into thinking they need more land rights to drill on to lower the price.
Winter Woman
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In MI we are full of natural gas and the government capped the wells. In northern MI whole sections were developed with the intent of them being filled with people coming for the lifestyle and the jobs. Capping the wells crushed northern MI. Not sure who to blame.
malignant
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old rich white people? they're even responsible for obama...
medicineman
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what about old poor white people, are they also to blame, just because they are white?
What the hell does it matter if someone else already pointed the facts out and aren't you just regurgitating typical democrat defensive talking points!
Where did you get the celebration from London?
Warning people to get ready for a possible double dip recession is celebrating.
Sounds more like you and Bucky are in denial and don't have a constructive thing to add.
No wonder you're angry, you've been lied to.
Oil companies do not receive government subsidies, that's a big liberal lie. They, like all American based manufacturing companies receive a domestic production tax deduction for keeping jobs in America.
The federal government does not shell out millions of tax payer money to oil companies period, the government just takes less money from them in the form of tax breaks.
And the oil companies do have hundreds of paid oil leases, the problem is the federal government has stepped up their regulations and restrictions so they can't retrieve the oil and sell it at a fair market price. That's why oil production is up, they're drilling and fracking on private property and your boy Obama is trying to take the credit.
UncleBuck
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Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009. Exxon not only paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate from the IRS, according to its SEC filings.
Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.
Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68 billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check from the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.
ConocoPhillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but received $451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing deduction.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/03/ten_giant_us_companies_avoidin.html
UncleBuck
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[h=2]sub·si·dy[/h]   [suhb-si-dee] Show IPA
noun, plural sub·si·dies. 1. a direct pecuniary aid furnished by a government to a private industrial undertaking, a charity organization, or the like.
2. a sum paid, often in accordance with a treaty, by one government to another to secure some service in return.
3. a grant or contribution of money.
4. money formerly granted by the English Parliament to the crown for special needs.
i consider the EITC to be a subsidy for the working poor. you can call it a tax break, but it meets the definition of subsidy as well.
just like you can call what the oil companies get a tax break, but it also meets the definition of a subsidy.
i mean, they make $19 billion in profits and the IRS cuts them a check for $156 million? sounds like the IRS is contributing money to them.
but of course this is all just a liberal lie.
noun, plural sub·si·dies. 1. a direct pecuniary aid furnished by a government to a private industrial undertaking, a charity organization, or the like.
2. a sum paid, often in accordance with a treaty, by one government to another to secure some service in return.
3. a grant or contribution of money.
4. money formerly granted by the English Parliament to the crown for special needs.
i consider the EITC to be a subsidy for the working poor. you can call it a tax break, but it meets the definition of subsidy as well.
just like you can call what the oil companies get a tax break, but it also meets the definition of a subsidy.
i mean, they make $19 billion in profits and the IRS cuts them a check for $156 million? sounds like the IRS is contributing money to them.
but of course this is all just a liberal lie.
Canna Sylvan
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You're just jealous she's smarter and prettier than you are. She can also chase after black cocks and not think, "mmmm dinner!"this is hilariously partisan hackish.
gee, the recession that happened under shrub came to a head in late 2008, why don't they talk about how much that figure dropped between january 2008 and january 2009?
i think i know why, winter woman
hackery of the partisan type.
ChesusRice
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Republican governors Bob McDonnell of Virginia, John Kasich of Ohio and Rick Snyder of Michigan all must show that they are leading their states economies in the right direction. Occasionally, that means discussing the economy in rosy terms, putting them at odds with the Romney campaign.
Bloomberg News dug a bit deeper than usual On Wednesday night into how much friction this has caused, reporting that the Romney campaign has asked Florida Gov. Rick Scott to tone down his statements heralding improvements in the states economy because they clash with the presumptive Republican nominees message.
The story is well reported, going so far as to quote a Republican operative as saying that the ads being run by the Florida GOP seemed like they were crafted at President Barack Obamas re-election campaign headquarters.
Bloomberg News dug a bit deeper than usual On Wednesday night into how much friction this has caused, reporting that the Romney campaign has asked Florida Gov. Rick Scott to tone down his statements heralding improvements in the states economy because they clash with the presumptive Republican nominees message.
The story is well reported, going so far as to quote a Republican operative as saying that the ads being run by the Florida GOP seemed like they were crafted at President Barack Obamas re-election campaign headquarters.
MuyLocoNC
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I believe the Congress has passed around 20+ bills designed to do EXACTLY that.
Where are those bills? Why, sitting in Harry Reid's ignore file, he won't even allow them to come up for a vote. He's too busy passing budgets for the last three years, oh wait...ooops, they haven't passed a budget in three years. My bad.
Nice try though. Partisan hack.
UncleBuck
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londonfog
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Tax breaks for the rich is not a job bill....Name one job bill that Congress has offered that does not include that..I do congratulate them for FINALLY passing the student loans and hwy jobs bill..only took them for ever. This is a do nothing congress. Now watch how they waste time TRYING to repel healthcare
UncleBuck
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nonsense, it trickles down like magic.
londonfog
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..........ChesusRice
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HR 3630 - The Middle Class Tax Relief & Job Creation Act of 2011 - This bill does indeed extend the "docfix" and unemployment insurance for a year, but with a hefty price.
- In addition to freezing federal workers' pay for three years, it requires issuance of a permit for the Keystone XL Pipeline in advance of the proposed routing by Nebraska, suspends the newly-issued mercury regulations and extends 100% expensing of business equipment (including private jets). Another so-called "jobs bill", HR 1938, was passed giving a November 1, 2011 deadline for the Keystone pipeline.
- With regard to unemployment insurance benefits, it cuts the 99-week maximum down to a 59-week maximum by mid-2012, allow states to drug-test UI recipients, and allow states to reduce state unemployment benefits and substitute federal funds. It also cuts funding for key provisions of the Affordable Care Act coming online, and adds the requirement to welfare payments that EBT cards cannot work in strip clubs, liquor stores and casinos.
- Provisions were included to auction more broadband spectrum and reclassify the 700mhz D Block as public safety broadband use only, which would be a huge payoff to Verizon Wireless lobbyists, who won that block with requirements that it remain open, after Google challenged the auction process.
- It would force Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to pay increased guarantee fees similar in scope to those due from large banks as a part of the Dodd-Frank Act, means-tests unemployment insurance benefits and food stamp programs and increases Federal employees' contributions to their retirement system by 1.5% while freezing pay, so their pensions take a double-whammy.
- Finally, it repeals the new timing rules for estimated corporate tax payments for companies with assets of $1 billion or more so that they can use payments of estimated taxes as a timing tool for fourth quarter profit declarations.
ChesusRice
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HR 1633 - Farm Dust Regulation Prevention Act of 2011
This bill prevents the EPA from issuing or finalizing regulations revising air quality standards under the Clean Air Act, and excepts farm dust from all references to "particulate matter."
No jobs there, but if anyone has ever suffered from Valley Fever, they might object to exempting dust, particularly farm dust, from the definition of particulate matter.
HR 10 - Regulations from the Executive in Need of Scrutiny (REINS) Act of 2011
Guts the regulation process by mandating that every regulation promulgated by approved by Congress after an onerous submission process, while exempting any Congressional finding from judicial review. Call this one the Carte Blanche For Congress To Kill All Regulatory Authority Bill.
What it is not: A jobs bill.
HR 3010 - Regulatory Accountability Act of 2011
HR 3010 is a modified, somewhat less onerous version of HR 10, setting guidelines for whether any regulations are warranted at all even if called for under a statute. Calling an anti-regulatory statute a jobs bill is a little like calling a half-built bridge infrastructure. So again, not a jobs bill.
HR 527 - Regulatory Flexibility Improvements Act of 2011
Ostensibly, HR 527 would reduce regulatory requirements on small businesses by forcing an impact study with specific focus on small business before regulation is adopted. It would limit EPA, OSHA and CFPB regulations while presumably protecting "small" closely-held Subchapter S corporations like Koch Industries. Not a jobs bill.
HR 3012 - Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011
HR 3012 would expand job immigration beyond current limits by eliminating employment-based immigrant visa caps and raising the percentage of total visas granted to 15% from 7%. For this one, I'll say it IS a jobs bill, but not a jobs bill for American workers. It is the "Elite Immigration Jobs Bill of 2011".
HR 3094 - Workforce Democracy and Fairness Act
HR 3094 redefines collective bargaining units and makes significant changes to election procedures, including one intended to intimidate employees: an employer-supplied list of eligible voters with contact information provided by the employee.
Not a jobs bill. A union-buster bill.
ChesusRice
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HR 2930 - Entrepreneur Access to Capital Act
HR 2930 exempts startups raising less than $1 million in venture capital from small investors from SEC registraiton and oversight.
Not a jobs bill. An anti-regulatory bill.
HR 2940 - Access to Capital for Job Creators Act
HR 2940 repeals prohibitions on solicitation or advertising of a securities offering. It's a companion to HR 2930, and is intended to allow people with no relationship to a startup company to invest in it without any oversight by the SEC. Let's call this and its evil twins HR 2930 and HR 1965 the "Ponzi Scheme Coverup Acts of 2011"
HR 1965 - Securities Laws Amendment
HR 1965 changes the shareholder threshhold for SEC registration from 500 to 2000 shareholders. It's not a jobs bill. It's a "hide from the SEC" bill. Its companion, HR 1970, would exempt SEC registration of public offerings under $50 million rather than the current $5 million threshold.
Many More EPA Acts
So many they don't deserve to be broken down individually. HR 2273 removes coal ash regulation from the EPA and hands it to the states. HR 2681 would put a legislative stay on cement manufacturing emission standards. HR 2250 would put a legislative stay on EPA boiler MACT rules. HR 2401 would require analysis of all EPA regulations relating to air, waste, water and climate change. HR 2018 would restrict EPA from issuing any revisions to existing water standards or issuing a new standard for a pollutant if the state has already adopted one or there is an existing standard in place. In other words, ignore any new scientific research after an initial standard has been set. HR 2021 amends the Clean Air Act to open oil and gas exploration off the Alaska coast. HR 910 strips the EPA of authority to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act, a direct assault on efforts to limit man-made contributions to climate change. HR 872 expands the use of pesticides, fungicides and rodent without EPA approval.
Many More Oil and Gas Drilling Acts
There is HR 1231, which would require the Administration to allow offshore oil and gas drilling and exploration in order to meet set domestic production goals, effectively forcing the moratorium on offshore drilling to be lifted to meet goals. HR 1229 requires the Energy Secretary to consider any offshore drilling permits within 30 days of receiving it and provide application denials in writing within 60 days of the application. Another "forced moratorium lift" bill. HR 1230 forces sales of oil leases in the Gulf of Mexico and Outer Continental Shelf of Virginia. It also lifts requirements for environmental impact statements and grandfathers in a 2007 document as authority for environmental impact.
Special Interest Legislation, or Pandering to Corporate Interests
- HR 1904 proposes an exchange of land so that Resolution Copper, LLC can mine copper on what is now part of the Tonto National Forest.
- HJ Res 37 is a resolution of disapproval on net neutrality.
- HR 2587 prohibits the NLRB from restricting where an employer can locate. This is in response to the NLRB's objection to the Boeing plant relocation to South Carolina, a right-to-work state.