Help, perfect conditions yet plants still dying

[lalaman33333]

What happened to the pics you were going to post?

i hope your not referring to those two posts i made 10 minutes ago

 

[KidneyStoner420]

No, you originally you said you would post pics. All we've seen is what it "kinda looks like".
Sounds like it's improving anyway

 

[lalaman33333]

No, you originally you said you would post pics. All we've seen is what it "kinda looks like".
Sounds like it's improving anyway

they are ALL the EXACT SAME STRAIN, all 3 seeds even came out of the same individual bud, yet there seems to be an indica dom pheno (first pic) a sativa dom pheno (second pic) and a hybrid pheno (last pic) anyone care to explain this phenomenon to me?

well heres the pics i promised then...only one is still "iffy" the other 2 are doing great..back almost 100% to normal, you can see how the green is "flowing" back into the leaves


heres the one that showed the biggest improvement, last week it looked hours away from death, now its doing better and showed to be an Auto-Topping phenotype (awesome because my experience shows auto-toppers are almost always a female mutation, unlike Duck-foot and trifoliate phenos which are almost always male)

Heres The smallest, but greenest and healthiest looking (this is the one i though looked kinda male-ish, what do you guys think?)

Heres the one that WAS looking the best, but is doing the worst now, it is improving but slower than the others (phenotype issue maybe?)(and its is drooping cause i over watered it for the past couple days to flush any extra epsom salt out i didnt need)

these look LIGHTYEARS better than they did last week, i think they are going to pull through and i should end up with some pretty decent plants...i may even want to breed them ive never had ANY plants that went through this much hell without dying OR being permanently stunted....it shows to me that they are very tough and resistent phenotypes

and as you can see my soil is WAAAAAAAY better than what was in that pic i posted from google

 

[cindysid]

Looks like nute burn and overwatering to me. They are so stunted that I don't think you will get much off them. Before you start new ones, invest in some seedling starter soil, and add some perlite. Make sure your pots have good drainage. I tend to overwater, so I add a lot o perlite.

 

[ipeeinpools]

Since I'm the type of guy that likes the answer, but thrives on the details, you said that a dilution of epsom salts helped start bringing them back...Wouldn't that point to a Mag deficiency in the soil that the plant isn't getting...? Just a thought. Also, this is the first time i've heard that the color spectrum attests to stretching...I use 6500K's and my plants aren't stretching, but rather staying short and plump. I just make sure the light is an inch from the top.

 

[wristychronicles]

maybe bring them outside to visit some sun, they look soo sad.

 

[jofey]

View attachment 2243992here is a nute chart, as i thought your ph could be a wee bit higher 6.5 , it might help .good luck pal.

got one 26 watt 2700K in the middle, surrounded by 2, 42 watt 3500k(one on each side) and 4, 42 watt 6500 k(2 on each side), switching all 7 for my 55 watt 2700k when/if i can begin the flowering
phase
heres a good pic (not mine) to show its shape(ish) THIS IS NOT MY PHOTO.....THOSE WILL COME LATER THIS EVENING and mine are not light stretched like this

and heres a ling to a pick to show its color http://www.marijuana.com/attachments/429-jpg.10279/

and i know your ALL gonna say its a high PH....ITS NOT, already been through the diagnostics of testing the Ph...its 6.2...right in there for perfect cannabis growth according to Jorge Cervantes....and if you dont know who that is you dont deserve to be a member of this (or any) marijuana forum xD

and to save your self from my insults if you dont know who he is google it before you ask me lol

 

[lalaman33333]

^^^Jofey.....look at the new pics...big improvement

Looks like root burn and overwatering to me. They are so stunted that I don't think you will get much off them. Before you start new ones, invest in some seedling starter soil, and add some perlite. Make sure your pots have good drainage. I tend to overwater, so I add a lot o perlite.

I will give you this...the last one was overwatered intentionally because i ended up using too much epsom salt on it. so i had to flush before it could damage anything...its already bouncing back...the other two are growing RAPIDLY and the yellow is disappearing, the overwatered one will be right behind them in the next couple days or so im guessing. and yes my soil has great drainage...i just like to use peat moss as MY drainage stimulator instead of perlite.

No rootburn either...roots are still nice and Thick and white, as they have been since the beginning of the grow, i hope your not saying they are ALL over watered, as if i had seen someone else post those pics this would be my response (even though it wouldnt help givin my ACTUALL situation) "Looks like you PH is too high and that last one looks overwatered"

ill do some pic updates when i feel they have made enough of an improvement to see a difference

Since I'm the type of guy that likes the answer, but thrives on the details, you said that a dilution of epsom salts helped start bringing them back...Wouldn't that point to a Mag deficiency in the soil that the plant isn't getting...? Just a thought. Also, this is the first time i've heard that the color spectrum attests to stretching...I use 6500K's and my plants aren't stretching, but rather staying short and plump. I just make sure the light is an inch from the top.

Of course it would?? i dont get what your driving at...if you want details this is the best i can do...i put a half teasoon of epsom salt in every other 16 oz bottle of water ive fed them for the past week or so...and im seeing steady improvement...my old horticulture teacher sais the epsom salt forces the plant to renew its supply of chlorophyl, which in turn causes a rush of darker green into the plant...i dont know if there is any truth to this, but he has done an AMAZING job running the HighSchool's greehouse for the last 15 years...he had 18 foot tall Hydroponic Tomatoes one year xD

 

[wristychronicles]

You don't really know what strain they are if you got it off a random bud. Regardless if they came from the same bud, they could be an f1 unstable from an accidental crossing or even if stable there are still variations in seeds. Just as I am not my brother, sister, or mom, none of your plants from seed are the same.

 

[lalaman33333]

makes sense, i just mean the bud i got the seeds out of, is VERY consistent from batch to batch (some seeds, not many but great, potent product, id say realy high Middies) So just found it strange that all 3 looked so different, but now that they are kinda back up to lightning quick growing im used to, and now that they are all a rich dark green (pics later today) they are WAY more obviously the same strain, same purple leaf stems but green stalk, same leaflet thickness, the second most healthy one even AUTO-TOPPED itself just like it's big (hopefully) sister

i culled REALLY sickly one though, it was to far gone by the time i figured out what was up, but these lil babies should definately make a 100% recovery and should produce just about what im used to in my setup (i usually start with 3 and end with one good female) even if im 2-3 weeks behind.

Because they are both auto-topping (weird huh?) if i were to end with a male and female, both auto-topping, and i were to breed them could i interbreed all the offspring that show the same auto-topping trait and maybe develop an auto-topper in the same way they got potent Auto-flowering strains?

if so ima call it "Dual-Terror" >: )

 

[george xxx]

i just like to use peat moss as MY drainage stimulator instead of perlite.

You might google what too much peat can do. Using too much peat can cause swings in ph the soil looses its natural ability to buffer ph. Yes you can check ph but what happens to your soil ph an hour after you water an over abundance of peat? I don't like a lot of perlite either but peat is unstable when too much is used.