Lady J's Smokin' Section

Mohican

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Big and Flower clones are in organic veggie soil that has been used 4 times. Full of great roots. I also added bone meal and blood meal to those mixes. I originally bought this soil at my local farm store. I am trying to find pictures of the bags so I can remember the brand. I swear it was grandma something. It has all the beneficials mixed in the bag - it is like super soil.

The micro clone is in my native backyard clay with some of the bag soil and compost mixed in to break up the soil. I have been ammending this soil for four years now and it seems to be finally working now. I just need to get the ants under control.
 

HardCorps420

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Hey there Lady J! Been following your threads, trying to catch up! Think i finally did (three threads later! dam i love the talkitveness! !Im planning on setting up my Second 1st grow (actual first never finished, long story, but click on my sig to reap the drama lol). Anyway, i stay in an apartment as well and plan on doing a small sterlite op myself, cfl, perp , thinking about 12/12 fs now that im reading through all this. i been out of the game for a while, and just started to lurk the RIU forums again thankfully. Ill let you know when i start up because i feel we have A LOT in common! Very similar opinions and thoughts! although, i personally didnt see the HID purchase coming! I wouldve thought ud go with led!

Now, on to some things i wanted to mention, it kinda seemed you were having some issues and flipping between mediums and techniques for germing/seedling. I personally use the jiffy peat pellets and effing love them! i germ in paper towel and stick em in the peats when they get their tail! super simple! then you just stick em in the little greenhouse that it comes with and perfect sprouts 99.9% of the time! i had 100% but i only germed about 6-10 i think. check out the grow in my sig to see what im talkin about. its on the first page so not much reading, the grow was a fail anyway!

thanks for the inspiration, and awesome posts filled with awesome info! +rep fa SHO!

OUT!
-HC


edit: disregard this post in your last thread haha, wasnt aware you moved yet!
 

Lady.J

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Hey there Lady J! Been following your threads, trying to catch up! Think i finally did (three threads later! dam i love the talkitveness! !Im planning on setting up my Second 1st grow (actual first never finished, long story, but click on my sig to reap the drama lol). Anyway, i stay in an apartment as well and plan on doing a small sterlite op myself, cfl, perp , thinking about 12/12 fs now that im reading through all this. i been out of the game for a while, and just started to lurk the RIU forums again thankfully. Ill let you know when i start up because i feel we have A LOT in common! Very similar opinions and thoughts! although, i personally didnt see the HID purchase coming! I wouldve thought ud go with led!

Now, on to some things i wanted to mention, it kinda seemed you were having some issues and flipping between mediums and techniques for germing/seedling. I personally use the jiffy peat pellets and effing love them! i germ in paper towel and stick em in the peats when they get their tail! super simple! then you just stick em in the little greenhouse that it comes with and perfect sprouts 99.9% of the time! i had 100% but i only germed about 6-10 i think. check out the grow in my sig to see what im talkin about. its on the first page so not much reading, the grow was a fail anyway!

thanks for the inspiration, and awesome posts filled with awesome info! +rep fa SHO!

OUT!
-HC


edit: disregard this post in your last thread haha, wasnt aware you moved yet!
Hey HC, thanks for coming by my thread and for the kind words! I went HID because I could afford it and knew that I wanted to grow on a larger scale. If I waited until I could afford the right number of LEDs for the size I want to grow, probably wouldn't be able to afford them until next year! If it was as simple as choosing between the two for the same price, def would have went LED. So far, I am not having any heat issues though, stay about 81 degrees on average (240 CFM fan). The large CFL in the closet was getting up to 90+ degrees! Not having any issues like that now surprisingly.

I have went over my budget and am pretty much tapped out in regards to my grow...but I have heard great things about Jiffy pellets and would prefer to use them when they are available to me in the future. I am having good success with paper towels, straight into soil, and rockwool so germination isn't so much of an issue anymore. Good luck on the grow, and feel free to sub up and throw some pics of your grow up for us :). And I'm flattered to have inspired you!
 

HardCorps420

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oh will do! im currently looking into LEDs myself, thinking of throwing them into the sterlite tubs with some supplemental cfls for the lower branches. the way i see it, to have the ample amount of lumens id like its gonna cost all around the same anyway, might as well go low heat for my micro grow. as far as peat pellets, its like a $10 kit! but, to each his own!

:peace:out!
-HC
 

onlycucumbershere

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oh will do! im currently looking into LEDs myself, thinking of throwing them into the sterlite tubs with some supplemental cfls for the lower branches. the way i see it, to have the ample amount of lumens id like its gonna cost all around the same anyway, might as well go low heat for my micro grow. as far as peat pellets, its like a $10 kit! but, to each his own!

:peace:out!
-HC
Kudos for going LED fella!

It does work, I seen it. If I could offer one piece of advice for you, do not buy a cheap one youll be disappointed and put off of LEDs forever!
Minimum, 3w diodes. Even 5w if you can find them
 

HardCorps420

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Kudos for going LED fella!

It does work, I seen it. If I could offer one piece of advice for you, do not buy a cheap one youll be disappointed and put off of LEDs forever!
Minimum, 3w diodes. Even 5w if you can find them
Thanks for the advice! not trying to hijack, so lets get back to the bud pR0n! those ladies are gettin FAT! cant wait! i wish i could remember the strains i ordered, but i was so stoned ill have to wait til they get here! haha!
 

Lerufus

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LadyJ, I've been staring at the pictures of your bin and they have instilled in me the desire to build one. I'm gonna use it for the first few weeks of life and reserve my main grow space for larger/flowering plants and it'll be 12/12 psh who needs veg.
 

Lady.J

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oh will do! im currently looking into LEDs myself, thinking of throwing them into the sterlite tubs with some supplemental cfls for the lower branches. the way i see it, to have the ample amount of lumens id like its gonna cost all around the same anyway, might as well go low heat for my micro grow. as far as peat pellets, its like a $10 kit! but, to each his own!

:peace:out!
-HC
lol yea, like I said, I'm way over budget...I literally cannot spend one more dime on my grow, so 10 bucks isn't as easily attainable as you might think. And if I'm over budget after buying HPS and cannot spend anymore money, you can see that LED wasn't an option!
 

Lady.J

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Well I have officially harvested my first plant. The Skunk #1 has been showing hermie parts here and there, and as much as I have pinched them off and willed them to be gone, they are now covering various parts of the skunk. I have also found a couple developing calyx on lower bud sites! I inspected the Sour Kush and it doesn't appear to have any developing seed or hermie parts. Since I am also out of trees, seemed like a no-brainer to just go ahead and scrap the skunk. I trimmed her up this morning, and strung the colas up, upside down in a closet. Harvested 11 colas, the largest of which are in the picture below. I don't feel disappointed or upset or anything like that...am happy that I can smoke some good trees and I know where they came from! I have sampled the skunk a couple times, and even though my sample was dried in the microwave, I was still roasted :bigjoint:. I don't know the weight...this is personal smoke so don't have a use for a scale. Before someone gives me a spiel on how much I need one, send me one and I'll gladly start using it for you lol. I am expecting at least 3 more weeks before the Sour Kush is ready.




And here's a picture update of the seedlings:














 

Cloudz2600

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Looks nice! I would buy a scale just to see if you did better/worse than the last harvest. How long do you plan to dry/cure for?
 

Txchilies

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Don't you just hate those hermies, party crashers. Well you probably did the right thing by takin them now. So those little ones sure are lookin great!
 

Lady.J

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Looks nice! I would buy a scale just to see if you did better/worse than the last harvest. How long do you plan to dry/cure for?
Yea, maybe eventually I'll buy a scale...but for now I just am content with having trees that were grown under my care :). I expect them to dry within a week or so, then I'll cure them in jars for two weeks, making sure to burp them twice a day. After that, who knows...probably won't last long :lol:.

Don't you just hate those hermies, party crashers. Well you probably did the right thing by takin them now. So those little ones sure are lookin great!
Yea but it's all good. At least I have something to smoke now, was fiendin' lol. I'm excited for these new girls!

The Blueberry is going to be a monster! Looks like you have a blue thumb :)
Thank Mo and I hope so...said to be an offshoot of DJ short's strain. We'll see what she does though :)
 

Lady.J

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LadyJ, I've been staring at the pictures of your bin and they have instilled in me the desire to build one. I'm gonna use it for the first few weeks of life and reserve my main grow space for larger/flowering plants and it'll be 12/12 psh who needs veg.
That's awesome lerufus :) You'll have to put up pics def!
 

sandiegojack2

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Only>>Sorry to hear! were you reveging??stems to big for clone or seed plant that had not bloomed yet!! right??right?? jack
 

Lady.J

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Just wanted to share an article I ran across by the 3 Little birds. Their articles are well known in the organic cannabis community and always full of simple / useful information...


Organic Gold III - Soil Heresy by 3LB
[HR][/HR] soil heresy by the 3LB ~ CW

We are about to commit heresy and tell people that we ALWAYS re-use our soil. No soil has left the garden's of the three_little_birds since before the turn of the millennium! Some growers will tell folks to throw out their soil after every grow, and we've known plenty of commercial growers that happily do that to make sure they do not have pest or nutrient problems. Maybe that even is the best solution for your grow, we can't say for sure, as always your mileage may vary. We are poor simple medical users (and aging hippies, etc.), and spending something like $20 for a bag of FoxFarm soil rubbed us wrong! With our container system it might take 2 full bags of that soil for 3 plants!

Now again . . . someone who is involved in commercial (rather than personal medical) production might not be so inclined to bother with making sure their soils stay healthy and all the work we go through to ensure our soil's health, but for us it is a labor of love and we feel our results speak for themselves.

Anyway, like we said, our soil never leaves our grow, it has all been recycled to the point that we could not even begin to tell you how many times it's been through our system! A good commercial potting mix has always been the base for our soil. We look for a product which is 100% organic, and recommend that you avoid ALL chemical salt ferts like the plague if you value your soil health. This especially includes timed-released chem ferts like osmocote! Depending on what we have found for soil, we go from there. Some cheap organic soil mixes contain little more than peat, pearlite, and dolomite lime. These absolutely need amending to start off. Some organic soil mixes are much more complete and need little or no amending for starters.

Organic mushroom compost is certainly one of the hot soil mediums these days, and we've certainly had great success mixing it in with our soil remixes to add fresh organic matter. We can't however comment on it's longer terms effects in soil remixes. Since we found a cheap source of mushroom compost, we have also been top-dressing our plants with it almost exclusively, so we imagine that we will soon discover if remixing the ‘shroom compost will have any detrimental effects.

Once through it's first grow (the plants fed 100% organic with earth juice, teas, fish ferts, and liquid kelp) our container of soil has it's root balls pulled and it is dumped into a very large rubbermaid container w/ a lid (50 gallon container) These container's are longer than our 2x3 growing containers, so with 2 people lifting and dumping, it's not too hard to keep this step neat. Each bin can actually hold more than the contents from a single grow-container (2 grow-containers of soil will actually fit, but this makes mixing in amendments very difficult and messy.) Now we proceed to give back to our soil mix what our plants have taken (and then some.) We get out our kelp meal, bone meal, blood meal, greensand, rock phosphate, diatomaceous earth, and dolomite lime and get mixing. Depending on the soil's condition this is also where we might add a little more perlite if soil compaction looks to be a potential problem.

Folks are going to ask us how much of these different supplements we add, and the only honest answer we can give is - it depends! If the plants we'd raised previously in that particular container had shown any signs of being short on a major nutrient N–P-K - it's not too hard to throw in an extra cup or two of the appropriate organic supplement (Blood meal / Alfalfa meal for N - Bone meal / rock phosphate for P - kelp meal / greensand for K and other micro nutrients.) A nice full 16 oz plastic cup of each of the prior mentioned ingredients would be our baseline for supplementing this round of soil re-mix. We will generally double this amount if any nutrient shortage has shown. . .

The greensand and rock phosphate are very slow to dissolve and be absorbed by plants, and are not normally used by many indoor container gardeners. Their slow release is what helps to make our system work! They will still be in our soil for the next couple of grows, doing their part for our soil health. This is the point where we would also add some of our own compost (assuming there is some finished and ready - if not some mushroom compost has proven to work.) Our compost is made from the usual standards, household veggie food scraps and such, with the addition of all our used grow scraps. Fan leaf, chopped stems, and the "leftover's" from processing by bubble bag or tumbling are all composted and returned to our soil.

Now we will wet this whole mix down lightly and let it "cook" for a spell. We have three large bins like this for soil remixing and composting. Folks always want us to be specific on amounts and times, and we do a lot of this by feel, so when we say we let the soil cook for a "spell" - how long depends on feel and need! The minimum time our soil sits is two weeks, and it's sat waiting for use for a couple months like this during slower times in our grow. This time gives soil bacteria a chance to work and make the various organic amendments more quickly and easily available for our plants. We use this soil again for another grow, watering with our usual array of teas, Earth Juice, etc. If needed, containers are top-dressed with compost (our own or mushroom compost depending on availability) as any soil settling occurs.
Upon yet another successful harvest, the soil is reconditioned again. Once we reached our third mix of soil, we cut back on the soil amendments. The greensand and rock phosphate are still working from the last re-mix so we don't need to add any more of them for sure. What remains in your soil at this point in terms of nitrogen and such may depend on your strain, some strains are much more greedy for some nutrients. So if our plants haven't shown any signs of yellowing as they mature, we figure there is nitrogen enough in the soil for the next round (at least to get started - we can add more N on the fly with fish ferts and teas if needed) and no blood meal is added. If yellowing has occurred then blood meal is added again. Kelp meal is usually added again since many of the major liquid organic ferts seem a little short on potassium, and also because we like the micro nutrients kelp meal provides to our plants. Dolomite lime will probably be necessary again too, and it's possible your soil will need even more this time than last. Any peat in the soil adds acidity as it decomposes, and the lime balances this as well as providing magnesium. After the standard 15 - 30 days of standing moistened waiting for use this soil is used still another time. Now our soil has grown 4 crops of herbs and is still going and growing strong. At this point, we have started plants in our soil remixes directly alongside plants in fresh potting soil, just to make sure our mix wasn't subtly stunting our plants.

The plants grown in our 4th and 5th generation soil remix did far better than those directly alongside grown in fresh from the bag FoxFarm OceanForest potting soil! Because our garden is a continuous harvest setup, once we are to our 4th or 5th remix, it's starting to get hard to keep track of exactly what soil has been remixed where, since half used bins of remixes are often dumped together to make room for another round of used soil coming from the garden. So we simply continue adding amendments by feel as needed.

This is how the three little birds use soil. We know we break the rule we have all been told to follow - to never reuse soil. Even those "radicals" we have seen reusing soil, have always described letting their soil go out to their veggie gardens or flower beds after 3 or 4 grows. We decided to push the envelope and see how far we could take it . . .
We still haven't found a limit for the number of times we remix our soil, and our harvests and plant vigor keep improving.

Oh, just to add another bit of heresy, you may have noticed our container grows suspended above the floor on wheeled furniture movers. It's a very convenient way to keep the plants in larger containers mobile. . . but you also must realize then (if you think about it) that out grow containers have NO drainage. Our soil mix, which is now has been remixed double digit times, has NEVER been flushed! We warned you all at the start of this post that some might consider it heresy . . . And we can’t even begin to tell you how we can break these rules and get better results than average - but it works for us and we wanted to let folks judge for themselves.

one thing we might add - we certainly would not remix soil from any containers where we'd had a bug or disease problem - even getting bud mold would be enough for us to say - no thanks to a soil remix

we were discussing this among "the birds" the other nite - and one line that a little bird said comes to mind . . . "Farmer's don't strip their topsoil after a harvest - or even a few - in fact their soil is their most precious commodity - why should it be different for indoor gardening as long as proper care is taken to build healthy soil?"
 

bigbaby420

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ay whats good lady j im in fo tha ride got chemdogg kens gdp and bluedream 3rd week of ready to flip over to 12 12... hey i hadda question for you just ur opinion.. im going out of town will be gone for about a week.. do you think i should flip to 12 12 or when i cum back my babies r fem but i do have 2 bagseed not sexed yet. and dont want to have one or both of them be males adn fert my other ladies and they produce seeds u know?
 

Lady.J

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ay whats good lady j im in fo tha ride got chemdogg kens gdp and bluedream 3rd week of ready to flip over to 12 12... hey i hadda question for you just ur opinion.. im going out of town will be gone for about a week.. do you think i should flip to 12 12 or when i cum back my babies r fem but i do have 2 bagseed not sexed yet. and dont want to have one or both of them be males adn fert my other ladies and they produce seeds u know?
Hey :)

If you're only gone for a week, you should be fine as males wouldn't show sex and progress enough to produce pollen in just a week's time. Also, the big stretch came around the 2nd and 3rd week for me...didn't notice a big difference in growth the first week, so you shouldn't have to worry too much about the plants growing into your lights after making adjustments for growth while you're gone. If you are trying to meet a deadline or just want your crop done faster...you could probably stand to risk it. If you don't mind going at a slower pace and like taking precautions on the other hand, I'd say to wait until you come back. Hope that answers your question!
 
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