Where do you think weed fits into Christianity?

[Zaehet Strife]

I try to live a spiritual life and be the best I can be and thats all I can do, however, when Jesus turned water into wine I am sure it wasnt alcohol free. The bible does not say not to drink, it says dont be a drunkard. Moderation is key here and not letting it control you. God made MMJ and God made man smart enough to figure out what to do with it....

You are wrong, God is watching everything you do, if you do not change your behaviors and repent for your sins against God, you will burn in hell.

 

[Doer]

I think Mr. Strife is trying to say, Christian and ganga do not mix. And I'm quite sure, even in this day of cross referenced on-line biblical text to compare all the versions, people just treat it like the politics it is. They don't read it. They just half listen and mix in the mind cloud.

This so called bible is a mx-mash, a mash-up of all the Abrahamic thinking from then until yesterday, when they yet again, revised some version of the bible or another.

And the thing is, they were drunk as Lords on the first Penticost. The independent witnesses say they were roaring about visions. So, really the religion itself, (not the teaching of Jesus) is the result of drunken visions by the Moralist Peter and his crew. They formed the Way. The Jewish cult of Christ. They formed a religion for politcal purposes, as I see it.

 

[kpmarine]

I try to live a spiritual life and be the best I can be and thats all I can do, however, when Jesus turned water into wine I am sure it wasnt alcohol free. The bible does not say not to drink, it says dont be a drunkard. Moderation is key here and not letting it control you. God made MMJ and God made man smart enough to figure out what to do with it....

Isn't it kind of a moot point, still? The bible states repeatedly to obey your governing powers completely, unless they tell you to transgress against god. Seeing as failing to partake in weed is not a sin, it seems that the default would be no weed.

I Peter 2:13-14
13 Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, 14 or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.



Romans 13:1-7 Submission to the Authorities

13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

 

[Doer]

I was wondering about the Romans book in the bible. And I'm becoming pretty sure the explaination for all this is that the "religion" was invented, rather whole cloth, by Romans of birth, for a political purpose. Very similar to Scientology.

Senatorial infighing, perhaps, in the case of the messiah story. Now, only because I was looking for the author of Romans, (Peter, Paul?) I found this. I don't believe it entirely either. This is triagulated historical references to biblical mentions. But, it is an interesting take on the bible and where it all started. I was raised to believe it was all facts. But, there are some very strange facts indeed.

It points to what we see today, may be the result of the cruel and crazy Romans, themselves. If so, they did indeed, reap the whirlwind.

"Professor Bruno Bauer, in his work of 1877 "Christ and the Caesars", stated that he had concluded that the Romans had authored the New Testament and that Flavius Josephus was the inventor of Jesus."

"Abelard Reuchlin found the key to unraveling just who the actual authors were, and that the authors were to be found in the Roman Piso family, who were a part of the Piso/Flavian dynasty.
http://www.fargonasphere.com/piso/

 

[Zaehet Strife]

And I'm becoming pretty sure the explaination for all this is that the "religion" was invented, rather whole cloth, by Romans of birth, for a political purpose.

You better not try to tell any christian follower THAT!

 

[Doer]

Well, they aren't listening, are they? But, I would not try to lecture my drunk uncle Babtist, if that's what you mean.

Yet still, there is this odd message from the guy these Romans made up? So, I don't believe anything. Don't need to, really.

 

[VILEPLUME]

I like to look at Matthew 15:11 for this answer. Jesus said...

What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean'.

I know I am just as guilty and have said some pretty "unclean" things to people, but I believe if you are using weed as a medicine and it helps you, there is nothing wrong with it.

Think of some of the garbage people put into their bodies everyday! From my research on weed, especially if you are eating it or vaporizing, is incredibly safe to take.

 

[kpmarine]

I like to look at Matthew 15:11 for this answer. Jesus said...

What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean'.

I know I am just as guilty and have said some pretty "unclean" things to people, but I believe if you are using weed as a medicine and it helps you, there is nothing wrong with it.

Think of some of the garbage people put into their bodies everyday! From my research on weed, especially if you are eating it or vaporizing, is incredibly safe to take.

It's still illegal, and the bible says that all governments must be obeyed when they don't go against god. Not using cannabis isn't a sin, breaking a law is though. How do you make this a law that it is okay to disregard? I'm curious.

 

[VILEPLUME]

It's still illegal, and the bible says that all governments must be obeyed when they don't go against god. Not using cannabis isn't a sin, breaking a law is though. How do you make this a law that it is okay to disregard? I'm curious.

I also sometimes go over the speed limit while driving, connect to unsecured wifi if I am out, sing happy birthday in public...umm...I also use a fake name on the internet, sometimes I play $10 poker with friends...I think these are illegal too. Now that I look at it...I think I might be a bad Christian.

No offence but Ive been on Christian forums and I come here to escape the judgemental aspect that falls many of those forums. Why bring that here man? Smoke some weed and worry about your own life. Peace.

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[kpmarine]

I also sometimes go over the speed limit while driving, connect to unsecured wifi if I am out, sing happy birthday in public...umm...I also use a fake name on the internet, sometimes I play $10 poker with friends...I think these are illegal too. Now that I look at it...I think I might be a bad Christian.

No offence but Ive been on Christian forums and I come here to escape the judgemental aspect that falls many of those forums. Why bring that here man? Smoke some weed and worry about your own life. Peace.

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You said how you justified it, I asked how you rationalized it in light of something else. No need to get all defensive. If you don't like questions about what you post, don't post in forums. I wasn't judging you, I was asking a question. Sorry if you mistook my tone.

 

[VILEPLUME]

I also sometimes go over the speed limit while driving, connect to unsecured wifi if I am out, sing happy birthday in public...umm...I also use a fake name on the internet, sometimes I play $10 poker with friends...I think these are illegal too. Now that I look at it...I think I might be a bad Christian.

No offence but Ive been on Christian forums and I come here to escape the judgemental aspect that falls many of those forums. Why bring that here man? Smoke some weed and worry about your own life. Peace.

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You said how you justified it, I asked how you rationalized it in light of something else. No need to get all defensive. If you don't like questions about what you post, don't post in forums. I wasn't judging you, I was asking a question. Sorry if you mistook my tone.

Yeah, I did mistake your tone fucker lol

I thought I gave you answer no? I said that I break the law all the time and mentioned the details in my above post, and that I am considered a "bad Christian". But it is ok, Jesus was considered by many to be a "bad Jew" according the pharisees because he did many things that were considered "unlawful".

Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?”“Caesar’s,” they replied.Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” Mark 12:13-17

Even Bill Hicks questions "how do you make nature against the law?"

 

[kpmarine]

Mosaic law forbade many natural things, like pork. God gave the government the command to prohibit cannabis because it's unsafe. I'm just playing devil's advocate here (no pun intended). I don't care if you smoke pot either way. lol

These are the verses I had seen before that caused me to wonder this initially. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. So if you don't wish to continue, no pressure.

I Peter 2:13-14
13 Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, 14 or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.

Romans 13:1-7 Submission to the Authorities

13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

 

[VILEPLUME]

Mosaic law forbade many natural things, like pork. God gave the government the command to prohibit cannabis because it's unsafe. I'm just playing devil's advocate here (no pun intended). I don't care if you smoke pot either way. lol

These are the verses I had seen before that caused me to wonder this initially. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. So if you don't wish to continue, no pressure.

I Peter 2:13-14
13 Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, 14 or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.

Romans 13:1-7 Submission to the Authorities

13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

Sure, I can continue for a bit, but I will be leaving later.

Today, some Christians live in freedom while others live under repressive governments. All are commanded to cooperate with the rulers as far as conscience will allow. We are to do this "for the Lord", so that his good news and his people will be respected. If we are to be persecuted, it should be for obeying God.

You have probably also heard that christians are suppose to "treat their bodies as a temple"(1 Corinthians 3:16).

Two years ago I had a very serious hand operation and lost some of the feeling in my hand due to nerve damage, as well as other damage caused by my accident. After the operation I was given percocet and took it whenever the pain would flare up or if I had trouble sleeping with the pain. Probably without saying, the drug became very damaging to my body after continued use, frequent headaches, constipation and a "shitty feeling" when I wasnt on it. Flash forward a year later, one of my friends introduces me to pot, told me the "real" facts about pot, which I later researched, and then gave weed a chance. It helps and I have been off percocet since. Not only for pain, I use it when I get headaches or when I dont want to drink and I am stressed, or to be honest I use it sometimes to make me "feel better".

So, what do I do in this situation? Do I think God disproves? To be honest, I don't truly know, but I think this is right.

Side note, other topics that most Christians disagree with that I don't: Gay marriage, swearing(without using the Lord's name of course), getting drunk on the odd occasion, sex and marriage in general(we wait 2-3years, bible times 2-3 days sometimes), and some more stuff I wont get into right now.

 

[kpmarine]

Sure, I can continue for a bit, but I will be leaving later.

Today, some Christians live in freedom while others live under repressive governments. All are commanded to cooperate with the rulers as far as conscience will allow. We are to do this "for the Lord", so that his good news and his people will be respected. If we are to be persecuted, it should be for obeying God.

You have probably also heard that christians are suppose to "treat their bodies as a temple"(1 Corinthians 3:16).

Two years ago I had a very serious hand operation and lost some of the feeling in my hand due to nerve damage, as well as other damage caused by my accident. After the operation I was given percocet and took it whenever the pain would flare up or if I had trouble sleeping with the pain. Probably without saying, the drug became very damaging to my body after continued use, frequent headaches, constipation and a "shitty feeling" when I wasnt on it. Flash forward a year later, one of my friends introduces me to pot, told me the "real" facts about pot, which I later researched, and then gave weed a chance. It helps and I have been off percocet since. Not only for pain, I use it when I get headaches or when I dont want to drink and I am stressed, or to be honest I use it sometimes to make me "feel better".

So, what do I do in this situation? Do I think God disproves? To be honest, I don't truly know, but I think this is right.

Side note, other topics that most Christians disagree with that I don't: Gay marriage, swearing(without using the Lord's name of course), getting drunk on the odd occasion, sex and marriage in general(we wait 2-3years, bible times 2-3 days sometimes), and some more stuff I wont get into right now.

That pretty much covered all my questions. You're much less hostile than most of the christians here. lol

 

[Hepheastus420]

just another example of how stupid christians, twist and manipulate the bible to suit there own needs and agender .
nowhere in the bible is the word cannabis .
rapist murderers child abusers all do it , they take some line out of the bible and twist it to mean something else , that makes them feel like they have done nothing wrong .
guilty feeling pot smokers , who start to wonder if there imaginary god feels the same way about there pot smoking habbit as most of society does , then desperately try to find a passage in the bible to twist into saying that god approves of there habbit lol

Dude, I love alot of your views, but damn, you sure as hell know how to insult people lol.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Does the bible mention cannabis at all? Does it say anything negative about mind altering substances?

If not, then it's all good. The bible doesn't mention football as one of the rules you're not supposed to break, so people don't question whether it's good or bad according to the bible. So if the bible doesn't say that smoking pot is bad, go for it.



EDIT: Just read strifes proof up above.. I guess you christians are not in the green zone..

 

[kpmarine]

Does the bible mention cannabis at all? Does it say anything negative about mind altering substances?

If not, then it's all good. The bible doesn't mention football as one of the rules you're not supposed to break, so people don't question whether it's good or bad according to the bible. So if the bible doesn't say that smoking pot is bad, go for it.



EDIT: Just read strifes proof up above.. I guess you christians are not in the green zone..

Like everything else in religion, it's pretty open to interpretation.

 

[VILEPLUME]

That pretty much covered all my questions. You're much less hostile than most of the christians here. lol

Thanks.

Yeah I haven't come to this section in a long time because I found it to be the worst for trolling/arguing/disrespect etc, but then again some of the other forums can be that way too.

 

[kpmarine]

Thanks.

Yeah I haven't come to this section in a long time because I found it to be the worst for trolling/arguing/disrespect etc, but then again some of the other forums can be that way too.

It's pretty much everywhere. There are some times when religious discussions can get rather heated.

 

[crackerboy]

I don't give a damn what mind altering substance you use, alcohol to cannabis... it doesn't matter in the eyes of god. god sees all and knows all.

Like our English word, the Greek word for "drunk" refers to "intoxication, drunkenness ... to get drunk, become intoxicated..."

Romans 13:12-14 - Cast off the works of darkness, walk properly, not in drunkenness. Make no provision to fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Galatians 5:19-21; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - People who are guilty of drunkenness, will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Corinthians 5:11 - If a church member commits drunkenness and refuses to repent, he should be disciplined so we don't keep company with him.

Thessalonians 5:6-8 - Being sober is the opposite of being drunk and is associated with being alert and watchful.

Peter 1:13-17 - Be sober, gird up the loins of your mind so you can avoid lusts and be obedient and holy. This requires being alert.

Peter 5:8,9 - Be sober so we can be on guard for the devil, resist him, and not be devoured by him. Realizing how dangerous Satan is, we should keep our minds clear so we can recognize his deceit and resist his temptations.

Corinthians 9:25-27 - Bring our bodies into subjection to our minds, exercising temperance (self-control) like athletes in training, so our bodies will be properly guided by our minds.

Hence, whether caused by alcohol or by other drugs, intoxication violates God's word. But use of any drug we are studying, including just one cannabis filled joint or bowl, causes intoxication.

One of the main reasons why God condemns intoxication is that, as christians we face many serious temptations. In order to distinguish right from wrong and then have the will power to resist evil, our minds must think clearly and control our bodies. The Bible calls this sobriety and self-control.

God has given us all the power of free will from the disdain of sin, you make your own choices, you make your own decisions. Those who choose to resist gods word WILL ultimately burn in hell. I wish you all luck on your repentance and in sobriety.

DO YOU GUYS EVEN READ THE BIBLE, OR JUST PRETEND THAT YOU DID??? You should all be ashamed of yourselves if you do not know these passages.

So first of all you are taking most of those out of context and the others require looking at what Greek words are used.
Rom 13:13 uses the word methe, which according to Strong's refers to habitual intoxication.
The same is true of Gal 5:21 and Cor 5:11 which use the plural of this word which is methusos.
So like I said before these are referring to addiction.
1 Thess 5:6. Reads as follows since you decided not to post what it actually says.
Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
This verse obviously talks about being alert. But you knew that and just figured no one would check.

So you read the bible but don't bother to figure out anything beyond the surface or that particular interpretation.
Dont try and lecture if you haven't done your homework.