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NoDrama

Well-Known Member
I just explained to you, in the quote you last replied to, how it improves your life. Keeping pathogens from thriving in our drinking water. We could use silver I suppose, can you show me that it's cheaper and just as safe as chlorine? Europe uses chlorine like everyone else, I don't know who told you that crap. I cannot find any reference to any silver purification occuring countrywide in any European nation.

As far a fluoride goes, I read your article. It in no way treats it as an issue with water. The water has a safe, regulated level. It's the formula companies puting it in there without disclosing the facts. Or the mothers who cannot/do not breast feed their children. As that is the only place they mention that issue persisting. Otherwise, it arguably does good things for the rest of the population that has it's adult teeth.
Drink a gram of pure chlorine, swallow 2 grams of silver, let me know how it turns out for you.

If I get flouride from my toothpaste, why do I need to also DRINK it, since its only beneficial when used TOPICALLY not internally. I dunno about you, but when I drink stuff I swallow it, as opposed to others who just let it drool out of their mouth and get the full benefit of flouride.

If its so good for you how come only 3 countries use it?
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
If its so good for you how come only 3 countries use it?

1 Africa
•1.1 Egypt
•1.2 Nigeria
•1.3 South Africa

2 Asia•2.1 China
•2.2 Hong Kong
•2.3 India
•2.4 Israel
•2.5 Japan
•2.6 South Korea
•2.7 Malaysia
•2.8 Singapore
•2.9 Vietnam

3 Europe•3.1 Austria
•3.2 Belgium
•3.3 Czech Republic
•3.4 Croatia
•3.5 Denmark
•3.6 Finland
•3.7 France
•3.8 Germany
•3.9 Ireland
•3.10 Netherlands
•3.11 Norway
•3.12 Spain
•3.13 Sweden
•3.14 Switzerland
•3.15 United Kingdom

4 North America
•4.1 Canada
•4.2 United States

5 Australasia
•5.1 Australia
•5.2 New Zealand

6 South America
•6.1 Brazil

6.2 Chile



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
1 Africa
•1.1 Egypt
•1.2 Nigeria
•1.3 South Africa

2 Asia•2.1 China
•2.2 Hong Kong
•2.3 India
•2.4 Israel
•2.5 Japan
•2.6 South Korea
•2.7 Malaysia
•2.8 Singapore
•2.9 Vietnam

3 Europe•3.1 Austria
•3.2 Belgium
•3.3 Czech Republic
•3.4 Croatia
•3.5 Denmark
•3.6 Finland
•3.7 France
•3.8 Germany
•3.9 Ireland
•3.10 Netherlands
•3.11 Norway
•3.12 Spain
•3.13 Sweden
•3.14 Switzerland
•3.15 United Kingdom

4 North America•4.1 Canada
•4.2 United States

5 Australasia•5.1 Australia
•5.2 New Zealand

6 South America•6.1 Brazil

6.2 Chile



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country
Egypt does not fluoridate water, although a pilot study commenced in Alexandria.[SUP][4]

[/SUP]
Nigeria

Only a small fraction of Nigerians receive water from waterworks, so water fluoridation would benefit only a few people.


South Africa

South Africa's Health Department recommends adding fluoridation chemicals to drinking water in some areas. It also advises removal of fluoride from drinking water (defluoridation) where the fluoride content is too high.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP]
Legislation around mandatory fluoridation was introduced in 2002, but has been on hold since then pending further research after opposition from water companies, municipalities and the public.[SUP][8][/SUP]
[SUP]You aren't very good at reading are you?

[/SUP]
thesamesourceasyouexceptyoudidntreaditcuzyouaredumb said:
Many European countries have rejected water fluoridation in general. This includes: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland,[SUP][33][/SUP] Scotland[SUP][34][/SUP] Iceland, and Italy.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] A 2003 survey of over 500 Europeans from 16 countries concluded that "the vast majority of people opposed water fluoridation".[SUP][35][/SUP]
Man that kind of blew up in your face didn't it? I counted and there were only 5 countries that flouridate. Out of 196 which is 2.5%. Not very significant.
 

kpmarine

Well-Known Member
Drink a gram of pure chlorine, swallow 2 grams of silver, let me know how it turns out for you.
You know that if you eat a cup of salt, it'll kill you too? I sprinkle it on my food every day. It's not what it is, it's how it's used. You still didn't tell me how silver purification is going to be safer or as cost-effective as chlorine. That will actually make a relevant point. You preach an alternative, but no implementation. Also, you'd need silver in suspension. Which can turn skin blue in excess, observe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria.

If I get flouride from my toothpaste, why do I need to also DRINK it, since its only beneficial when used TOPICALLY not internally.
That's why drinking water is capped at 4ppm, and toothpaste contains around 1450ppm of it. It still touches your teeth when you drink it. The objective is tiny doses that won't be able to build to harmful levels.

If its so good for you how come only 3 countries use it?
If everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you too? Same question, different package. Consensus of a majority does not make fact. If that were the case, WMD's really would have been in Iraq.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Africa

[edit] Egypt

Egypt does not fluoridate water, although a pilot study commenced in Alexandria.[4]

[edit] Nigeria

Only a small fraction of Nigerians receive water from waterworks, so water fluoridation would benefit only a few people. About 20% of water sources are naturally fluoridated to recommended levels, about 60% have fluoride below recommended levels, and the remainder are above recommended levels.[5]

[edit] South Africa

South Africa's Health Department recommends adding fluoridation chemicals to drinking water in some areas. It also advises removal of fluoride from drinking water (defluoridation) where the fluoride content is too high.[6][7]

Legislation around mandatory fluoridation was introduced in 2002, but has been on hold since then pending further research after opposition from water companies, municipalities and the public.[8]

[edit] Asia

[edit] China

In China, water fluoridation began in 1965 in the urban area of Guangzhou. It was interrupted during 1976–1978 due to the shortage of sodium silico-fluoride. It was resumed only in the Fangcun district of the city, due to objections, and was halted in 1983. The fluoridation reduced the number of cavities, but increased dental fluorosis; the fluoride levels could have been set too high, and low-quality equipment led to inconsistent, and often excessive, fluoride concentrations.[9] As of 2002, there was no water fluoridation in China.[10]

[edit] Hong Kong

In Hong Kong, water is totally fluoridated,[11] at an average level of 0.49 mg/L[12]

[edit] India

Water fluoridation is not practiced in India.[13][14] Fluorosis is endemic in at least 20 states, including, Nalgonda, Uttaranchal, Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh.[15] The maximum permissible limit of fluoride in drinking water in India is 1.2 mg/L,[16] and the government has been obligated to install fluoride removal plants of various technologies to reduce fluoride levels from industrial waste and mineral deposits.

[edit] Israel

Mekorot, Israel's national water company states, "In the South of the country, it is unnecessary to add fluoride because it is found naturally in the water."[17] Water fluoridation was introduced in Israel's large cities in 1981, and a national effort to fluoridate all the country's water was approved in 1988.[18]

In 2002, the Union of Local Authorities (ULA) and others petitioned Israel's High Court to stop the Health Ministry from forcing cities to implement water fluoridation. The court soon issued a restraining order,[19][20] but after half a year ULA withdrew its petition upon the request of the court.[21]

By 2011, about 65% of the municipalities and local authorities in Israel had agreed to allow fluoridation, and there was active opposition to the spread of fluoridation to the towns where it has not yet been instituted.[18] In 2011, the Health and Welfare Committee of the Knesset criticized the Health Ministry for continuation of water fluoridation.[22]

[edit] Japan

Less than 1% of Japan practices water fluoridation.[23]

[edit] South Korea

In 2005, the ruling Uri Party proposed legislation for compulsory water fluoridation for municipalities. The legislation failed, and only 29 out of around 250 municipal governments had introduced the water fluoridation project at that time.[24] [25] Fluoridation was proposed again in 2012.[26]

[edit] Malaysia

In 1998, 66% of Malaysians were getting fluoridated water.[27]

In 2010, Bernama reported, "Principal Director (Oral Health) in the Health Ministry, Datuk Dr Norain Abu Taib said that only 75.5% of the country’s population are enjoying the benefits of water fluoridation".[28]

[edit] Singapore

In 1956, Singapore was the first asian country to institute a water fluoridation program that covered 100% of the population.[29][30] Water is fluoridated to a typical value of 0.4-0.6 mg per litre.[31]

[edit] Vietnam

About 4% of the population of Vietnam has water fluoridation, whereas only 70% get their water from public supplies.[32]

[edit] Europe

Many European countries have rejected water fluoridation in general. This includes: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland,[33] Scotland[34] Iceland, and Italy.[citation needed] A 2003 survey of over 500 Europeans from 16 countries concluded that "the vast majority of people opposed water fluoridation".[35]

[edit] Austria

Austria has never implemented fluoridation.[23]

[edit] Belgium

Belgium does not fluoridate its water supply, although legislation permits it.[23]

[edit] Czech Republic

Czech Republic (Czechoslovakia respectively) started water fluoridation in 1958 in Tábor. After six years, 80% reduction of decay was asserted[citation needed]. This led to widespread introduction of fluoridation. In Prague, fluoridation started in 1975. It was stopped in 1988 there and subsequently in the whole country too. Currently (2008) no water is fluoridated.[36] Fluoridated salt is available.[37]

[edit] Croatia

Croatia does not fluoridate its water.[38]

[edit] Denmark

Denmark does not fluoridate its water, although the National Health Board is in favour.[23]

[edit] Finland

The Finnish government supports fluoridation, although only one community of 70 000 people was fluoridated, Kuopio.[23] Kuopio stopped fluoridation in 1992.[39]

[edit] France

France fluoridates salt; but none of its water.[23][33]

[edit] Germany

Drinking water is not fluoridated in any part of Germany. One experiment, started 1952 in Kassel-Wahlershausen, was discontinued in 1971.[40] The GDR used to fluoridate drinking water in a few cities, but it was discontinued after the German reunification.[1] Fluoridated salt is available since 1992 with steadily increasing market share. Many stores do no longer offer the unfluoridated variety.

[edit] Ireland

In the Republic of Ireland the majority of drinking water is fluoridated; 71% of the population in 2002 resided in fluoridated communities.[41] The fluoridation agent used is hydrofluosilicic acid (HFSA; H2SiF6).[42] In a 2002 public survey, 45% of respondents expressed some concern about fluoridation.[43]

In 1957, the Department of Health established a Fluorine Consultative Council which recommended fluoridation at 1.0 ppm of public water supplies, then accessed by c.50% of the population.[44] This was felt to be a much cheaper way of improving the quality of children's teeth than employing more dentists.[45] The ethical approval for this was given by the "Guild of Saints Luke, Cosmas and Damian", established by Catholic Archbishop of Dublin, John Charles McQuaid.[44] This led to the Health (Fluoridation of Water Supplies) Act 1960, which mandated compulsory fluoridation by local authorities.[45][46] The statutory instruments made in 1962–65 under the 1960 Act were separate for each local authority, setting the level of fluoride in drinking water to 0.8–1.0 ppm.[47][48] The current regulations date from 2007, and set the level to 0.6–0.8 ppm, with a target value of 0.7 ppm.[49]

Implementation of fluoridation was held up by preliminary dental surveying and water testing,[50] and a court case, Ryan v. Attorney General.[51] In 1965, the Supreme Court rejected Gladys Ryan's claim that the Act violated the Constitution of Ireland's guarantee of the right to bodily integrity.[51][52] By 1965, Greater Dublin's water was fluoridated; by 1973, other urban centres were.[53] Dental surveys of children from the 1950s to the 1990s showed marked reductions in cavities parallel to the spread of fluoridation.[54]

[edit] Netherlands

Water was fluoridated in large parts of the Netherlands from 1960 to 1973, when the High Council of The Netherlands declared fluoridation of drinking water unauthorized.[55] Dutch authorities had no legal basis adding chemicals to drinking water if they will not improve the safety as such.[4] Drinking water has not been fluoridated in any part of the Netherlands since 1973.

[edit] Norway

In 2000, representatives of the Norwegian National Institute for Public Health reported that no cities in Norway were practicing water fluoridation. There had been intense discussion of the issue around 1980, but no ongoing political discussion in 2000.[56]

[edit] Spain

Around 10% of the population receives fluoridated water.[57]

[edit] Sweden

In 1952, Norrköping in Sweden became one of the first cities in Europe to fluoridate its water supply.[58] It was declared illegal by the Swedish Supreme Administrative Court in 1961, re-legalized in 1962[59] and finally prohibited by the parliament in 1971,[60] after considerable debate. The parliament majority said that there were other and better ways of reducing tooth decay than water fluoridation. Four cities received permission to fluoridate tap water when it was legal.[58]:56-57 An official commission was formed, which published its final report in 1981. They recommended other ways of reducing tooth decay (improving food and oral hygiene habits) instead of fluoridating tap water. They also found that many people found fluoridation to impinge upon personal liberty/freedom of choice by forcing them to be medicated, and that the long-term effects of fluoridation were insufficiently acknowledged. They also lacked a proper study on the effects of fluoridation on formula-fed infants.[58]:29

[edit] Switzerland

In Switzerland since 1962 two fluoridation programmes had operated in tandem: water fluoridation in the City of Basel, and salt fluoridation in the rest of Switzerland (around 83% of domestic salt sold had fluoride added). However it became increasingly difficult to keep the two programmes separate. As a result some of the population of Basel were assumed to use both fluoridated salt and fluoridated water. In order to correct that situation, in April 2003 the State Parliament agreed to cease water fluoridation and officially expand salt fluoridation to Basel.[61][62]

[edit] United Kingdom

Around 10% of the population of the United Kingdom receives fluoridated water[57] about half a million people receive water that is naturally fluoridated with calcium fluoride which is different to sodium fluoride, and about 6 million total receive fluoridated water.[63] The All Party Parliamentary Group on Primary Care and Public Health recommended in April 2003 that fluoridation be introduced "as a legitimate and effective means of tackling dental health inequalities".[citation needed] The Water Act 2003 required water suppliers to comply with requests from local health authorities to fluoridate their water.[63]

The following UK water utility companies fluoridate their supply:
Anglian Water Services Ltd
Northumbrian Water Ltd
South Staffordshire Water plc
Severn Trent plc
United Utilities Water plc

Earlier schemes were undertaken in the Health Authority areas of Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire, Birmingham, Black Country, Cheshire, Merseyside, County Durham, Tees Valley, Cumbria, Lancashire, North, East Yorkshire, Northern Lincolnshire, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Trent and West Midlands South whereby fluoridation was introduced progressively in the years between 1964 and 1988.[64]

The South Central Strategic Health Authority carried out the first public consultation under the Water Act 2003, and in 2009 its board voted to fluoridate water supplies in the Southampton area to address the high incidence of tooth decay in children there.[63] Surveys had found that the majority of surveyed Southampton residents opposed the plan, but the Southampton City Primary Care Trust decided that "public vote could not be the deciding factor". A judicial review has been initiated.[65] Fluoridation plans have been particularly controversial in the North West of England and have been delayed after a large increase on projected costs was revealed.[66]

It was reported in 2007 that the UK Milk Fluoridation Programme, centered in the North west of England, involved more than 16,000 children.[67]

The water supply in Northern Ireland has never been artificially fluoridated except in two small localities where fluoride was added to the water for about 30 years. By 1999, fluoridation ceased in those two areas, as well.[citation needed]

In 2004, following a public consultation, Scotland's parliament rejected proposals to fluoridate public drinking water.[34]

[edit] North America



U.S. residents served with community water fluoridation, 1992 and 2006. The percentages are the proportions of the resident population served by public water supplies who are receiving fluoridated water.[68]
[edit] Canada

The decision whether to fluoridate lies with local governments, with guidelines set by provincial, territorial, and federal governments. Brantford, Ontario became the first city in Canada to fluoridate its water supplies in 1945.[69] In 1955, Toronto approved water fluoridation, but delayed implementation of the program until 1963 due to a campaign against fluoridation by broadcaster Gordon Sinclair.[70] The city continues to fluoridate its water today.[71] In 2008 the recommended fluoride levels in Canada were reduced from 0.8–1.0 mg/L to 0.7 mg/L to minimize the risk of dental fluorosis. Ontario, Alberta, and Manitoba have the highest rates of fluoridation, about 70–75%. The lowest rates are in Quebec (about 6%), British Columbia (about 4%), and Newfoundland and Labrador (1.5%), with Nunavut and the Yukon having no fluoridation at all.[69] Overall, about 45% of the Canadian population had access to fluoridated water supplies in 2007.[69] A 2008 survey found that about half of Canadian adults knew about fluoridation, and of these, 62% supported the idea.[72]

In 2010, the Region of Waterloo held a referendum for residents to decide if water fluoridation should continue.[73][74] The result of the vote was 50.3% voting against fluoridation.[74][75]

In 2011, Calgary ceased the fluoridation of water, which it had begun in 1991.[76][77]

[edit] United States

Main article: Water fluoridation in the United States

As of May 2000, 42 of the 50 largest U.S. cities had water fluoridation.[78] According to a 2002 study,[79] 67% of U.S. residents were living in communities with fluoridated water at that time. In 2010, a U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study determined that "40.7% of adolescents aged 12–15 had dental fluorosis [in 1999–2004]".[80] In response, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services together with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency are proposing[81] to reduce the recommended level of fluoride in drinking water to the lowest end of the current range, 0.7 milligrams per liter of water (mg/L), from the previous recommended maximum of 1.2 mg/L.[82] This could effectively terminate municipal water fluoridation in areas where fluoride levels from mineral deposits and industrial pollution exceed the new recommendation.[83]

[edit] Australasia

[edit] Australia



Australian residents served with community water fluoridation, 2005[84] and 2012. The percentages are the proportions of the resident population served by public water supplies who are receiving fluoridated water.
Main article: Water fluoridation in Australia

Australia now provides fluoridated water for 70% or more of the population in all states and territories. Many of Australia's drinking water supplies began fluoridation in the 1960s and 1970s. By 1984 almost 66% of the Australian population had access to fluoridated drinking water.[85] Some areas within Australia have natural fluoride levels in the groundwater, which was estimated in 1991 to provide drinking water to approximately 0.9% of the population.[86]

The first town to fluoridate the water supply in Australia was Beaconsfield, Tasmania in 1953.[87] Queensland became the last state to formally require the addition of fluoride to public drinking water supplies in December 2008.[88]

[edit] New Zealand

New Zealand has fluoridated water supplied to about half of the total population.[89] Christchurch is the only main centre not to have a fluoridated water supply.[90] The use of water fluoridation first began in New Zealand in Hastings in 1954. A Commission of Inquiry was held in 1957 and then its use rapidly expanded in the mid 1960s.[91] In a 2007 referendum about half of voters in the Central Otago, South Otago and the Southland Region did not want fluoridation[92] and voters in the Waitaki District were against water fluoridation for all Wards.[93] Ashburton and Greymouth also voted against fluoridation.[94]

[edit] South America

[edit] Brazil

Water fluoridation was first adopted in Brazil in the city of Baixo Guandu, ES, in 1953.[95] A 1974 federal law required new or enlarged water treatment plants to have fluoridation, and its availability was greatly expanded in the 1980s, with optimum fluoridation levels set at 0.8 mg/L. Today, the expansion of fluoridation in Brazil is a governmental priority; state-sponsored research points to a sharp correlation between the availability of fluoridation and benefits to human health.[96] Between 2005 and 2008, fluoridation became available to 7.6 million people in 503 municipalities.[96] As of 2008, 3,351 municipalities, 60.3% of total, adopted fluoridation, up from 2,466 in 2000.[97] The proportion of the national population affected is greater, because cities with fluoridation tend to be larger.

[edit] Chile

In Chile 70.5% of the population receive fluoridated water (10.1 million added by chemical means, 604,000 naturally occurring).[98]
 

deprave

New Member
Water flouridation has recently been rejected in the United States as well, this is another one of those backdoors, fluoride is made of waste. They are selling waste for money, that's really what it comes down to if you want to put it simply...selling shit for gold. It is pretty much a no-brainer, the inventor of fluoride was one the greatest yet most corrupt salesman in history.

 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
You know that if you eat a cup of salt, it'll kill you too? I sprinkle it on my food every day. It's not what it is, it's how it's used. You still didn't tell me how silver purification is going to be safer or as cost-effective as chlorine. That will actually make a relevant point. You preach an alternative, but no implementation. Also, you'd need silver in suspension. Which can turn skin blue in excess, observe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria.
You can disinfect a gallon of water by dropping a silver coin into it, no need for colloidal my friend.
That's why drinking water is capped at 4ppm, and toothpaste contains around 1450ppm of it. It still touches your teeth when you drink it. The objective is tiny doses that won't be able to build to harmful levels.
So a medication added to my drinking water is good? Perhaps if we add a feel good drug like Prozac it would be good too? Hell why not just start adding all sorts of medications I didn't ask for into the municipal water supplies and justify it by saying it is good for me. That is smart thinking. No need to worry though, I don't drink flouridated water, there is no need for it anymore since we have much more effective toothpaste.

You don't need to suspend silver in a solution to make it work, you are thinking of colloidal silver, which is drank directly as a health aid.
If everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you too? Same question, different package. Consensus of a majority does not make fact. If that were the case, WMD's really would have been in Iraq.
Is jumping off bridges touted as being beneficial to you?
 

kpmarine

Well-Known Member
You can disinfect a gallon of water by dropping a silver coin into it, no need for colloidal my friend.
This still does not explain large scale usefulness, or how it would be particularly safer, or more cost effective.

So a medication added to my drinking water is good? Perhaps if we add a feel good drug like Prozac it would be good too? Hell why not just start adding all sorts of medications I didn't ask for into the municipal water supplies and justify it by saying it is good for me. That is smart thinking. No need to worry though, I don't drink flouridated water, there is no need for it anymore since we have much more effective toothpaste.

You don't need to suspend silver in a solution to make it work, you are thinking of colloidal silver, which is drank directly as a health aid.
Prozac and fluoride are not the same issue, though there are noticeable amounts of pharmaceuticals showing up in our drinking water. Like I said, don't blame the standardized area for your problem. Blame the people adding it to other products you ingest, and not telling you. Get mad at formula producers for adding it to baby formula without a warning. I know it's in my water, I don't know who else is slipping it in.

Colloidal silver is literally just silver in suspension, it's what would be needed to purify water on a large scale. It's also what is produced in small quantities when you drop a silver coin into water. Those silver particles in suspension are what purify the water. Do you even know how silver purifies water? Or are you just parroing what someone else told you?

Is jumping off bridges touted as being beneficial to you?
My point was that just because everyone else is doing something, that doesn't make it automatically correct.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
This still does not explain large scale usefulness, or how it would be particularly safer, or more cost effective.
You want me to write you a white paper or something? LOl I don't have the slightest inclination to spend all those hours hours coming up with a proven feasible working model for you to try and discredit. I am a farmer and only have timne to collect mahs gubbermunht subzidee checks herp derp and figurez out ways to spendz all the muniez.



Prozac and fluoride are not the same issue, though there are noticeable amounts of pharmaceuticals showing up in our drinking water. Like I said, don't blame the standardized area for your problem. Blame the people adding it to other products you ingest, and not telling you. Get mad at formula producers for adding it to baby formula without a warning. I know it's in my water, I don't know who else is slipping it in.
Giving someone else drugs without their consent is ILLEGAL, yet you condone it.

Colloidal silver is literally just silver in suspension, it's what would be needed to purify water on a large scale. It's also what is produced in small quantities when you drop a silver coin into water. Those silver particles in suspension are what purify the water. Do you even know how silver purifies water? Or are you just parroing what someone else told you?
Silver is insoluble, so dropping a coin into water cannot possibly cause what you say it does.

My point was that just because everyone else is doing something, that doesn't make it automatically correct.
I think you have it backwards, those countries aren't the ones jumping off the bridge, they are the ones who stayed home.
 

kpmarine

Well-Known Member
You want me to write you a white paper or something? LOl I don't have the slightest inclination to spend all those hours hours coming up with a proven feasible working model for you to try and discredit. I am a farmer and only have timne to collect mahs gubbermunht subzidee checks herp derp and figurez out ways to spendz all the muniez.
You say it's a better alternative, yet you have done no research into how? I don't see how that makes sense.

Giving someone else drugs without their consent is ILLEGAL, yet you condone it.
Fluoridated water is not a secret. Nobody forces you to drink tap water. Aside from that, elected officials instated fluoridation. Therefore, it was a democratic choice. If you don't like it, write your congressman. Nobody puts a gun to your head and forces you to drink fluoridated water though. I in no way condoned non-consensual ingestion of fluoride.

Silver is insoluble, so dropping a coin into water cannot possibly cause what you say it does.
Do you think that it just magically happens? Bacteria just see the silver bar at the bottom of a water jug and go "Oh no! Silver!" and keel over? No, it's exposure to silver ions that break off with exposure to moisture. Which is exactly what colloidal silver is: Silver particles suspended in liquid. They kill the same way as any other heavy metal, it is just less toxic to humans. Note: Not NON-toxic, just LESS toxic. This explains the principle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligodynamic_effect. Note that it says that heavy metal IONS are what kills microbes. An Ion is an atom or molecule that carries a charge. Meaning that it is no longer attached to that coin you dropped in. That's really as straightforward as I can explain it. So yes, it can do exactly what I say it does.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
And the European ones that don't, just fluoridate their salt instead. Yup, they're so much smarter....
You are leaving out the ones that dont flouridate the water due to it already being in the water in adequate amounts

The anti flouridians always jump on the bandwagon everytime they here a municipality is going to stop flouridating water
but the reasons are always either
Adequate flouride in the water already or budgetary restraints
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
This still does not explain large scale usefulness, or how it would be particularly safer, or more cost effective.



Prozac and fluoride are not the same issue, though there are noticeable amounts of pharmaceuticals showing up in our drinking water. Like I said, don't blame the standardized area for your problem. Blame the people adding it to other products you ingest, and not telling you. Get mad at formula producers for adding it to baby formula without a warning. I know it's in my water, I don't know who else is slipping it in.
i have to correct you bro. pharmacueticals are being found in waste water and surface water, where treated waste water is dumped, not the water supply. the filtration and purification plants required to turn surface water into potable water in the US eliminates pharmaceuticals quite effectively.
 

kpmarine

Well-Known Member
Look up how to make colloidal silver. Hint, dropping a coin in water won't do it. :dunce:
That's an accelerated version of it. You're inroducing an electrical charge to the water to speed up the reaction greatly is all. That water is only going to have so much of a natural charge, meaning it can only ionize so many silver molecules. Attach a battery, and you have removed that limitation.
 

kpmarine

Well-Known Member
i have to correct you bro. pharmacueticals are being found in waste water and surface water, where treated waste water is dumped, not the water supply. the filtration and purification plants required to turn surface water into potable water in the US eliminates pharmaceuticals quite effectively.
Oh, my apologies, I must have misread that before.
 
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