tomahawk2406
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yeah the defense budget could use some cuts but no defense? fucking retarded
Ok to "not" support our troops?
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Dr Kynes
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agreed. switzerland does not have a standing army. they do have a standing militia, compulsory service, and a populace that is armed in readiness to defend their country. thats what our constitution calls for as well.
constitutionally we only have a standing navy (hard to have an amateur navy), coast guard (same reasons) and marine corps (required to provide naval security and a rapid deployment force, but limited by the constitution to 2 divisions)
i can accept the need for a standing air force too, for the same reasons we have to have a navy, but passing an amendment to create an air force would have been to hard for the congress to do ????
our army is intended to be a small professional officer corps, and a small non-commissioned officer corps to train and muster the militia to ensure equipment and readiness. these are intended to be augmented by the naval and army colleges which are funded by the congress.
re-adopting the militia standard of our constitution and eliminating the silly useless unconstitutional gun prohibitions would greatly reduce our military spending.
the reason we have a standing army is the perfidiity of congress and the legal class re-interpreting the militia act of 1789, and the Dick Act (heh heh ) of 1911. these militia regulatory acts were intended to ensure a ready, trained and equipped citizen militia to repel foreign threats from our soil. just like switzerland. the "brilliant legal minds" of the legalist class used those acts of congress to "authorize" a massive military buildup a standing army and the ridiculous forces we now field in every region of the world. ad in the foolishness of the monroe doctrine and the domino theory of communist containment and we get the current situation, an empire' military spending without an empire's provincial tax base.
youre absolutely right though. switzerland has the right idea, which is why the founding fathers instituted the militia system instead of the standing army of the european imperialist powers. (and i mean imperialist in the literal sense, not the bullshit newspeak sense)
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I would like a link for this supposed capacity to trash the world 15x, or even 1x. cn
tomahawk2406
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this guy i work with's father works at the sub base here in CT. he said you wouldn't believe the shit that they throw away in the trash. he said it sickens him to know that the governments pockets are that deep. when i think about it like that it makes me fucking pissed too. they push recycling yet, throw thousands of dollars away in a day. i understand things to stay fresh in our defense systems but there's a fuckin line to be drawn somewhere
ChesusRice
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1500 active warheads
ChesusRice
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Groton Conneticut
I was stationed across the River in New London
I was also in the General Dynamics boatyard for refit for 6 months
No you would not fuckking believe what gets tossed
And i am not inclined to tell you
And ON a side note
Some sailors one time took home a manual to study from
They couldnt get it back on base so they came up with a great Idea
Shred it and throw it in seperate trash cans
1 page turned up
The sub base was shut down for a week until almost every page of that manual was found
Lots of sailors going thru trash in their summer whites
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Okay. Now calculate how much land area those 1500 submegaton warheads can actually damage, even when used with extreme prejudice. cn
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
The world
Look up nuclear winter
also multiply that by 2 and half
retaliation is also in the cards
Dr Kynes
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its a part of the baseline budgeting fiasco. if you have leftover inventory it gets deducted from your budget for next year. subs also have to reject a shitload of substandard parts. if you put a toilet valve that doesnt meet the specs on a sub men die.
you cant cut corners on aircraft or subs. thats just the way it is. most of the stuff thats "thrown in the garbage" (more likely sent back to the contractor or recycled by another sub-contractor) is rejected parts and obsolete equipment. theres not a big surplus market for bulkhead hatches that are slightly out of square or faulty pressure valves that cost half a million bucks. my grandpappy used to work on a sub construction base in ww2, and they really did throw a lot of shit into the scrap heap (this was before recycling) and most of it got melted down for scrap for the war effort even then. nobody throws away steel brass copper aluminium or really any metal object in the defense industry.
tomahawk2406
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lol, yeah im a few towns north of groton and NL. that sub base is huge for a lot of people in eastern connecticut. it gets tied into what i do at the rubber mill i work at right now. we make g-mount shock absorbers for the ships and subs. it keeps the mill moving strong having a government contract. but they go through those g mounts like fucking candy. i honestly think they replace them just to keep people busy.
tomahawk2406
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we don't get any of our metals back from the base. their considered junk even though they're not. the metals are still good. they could send them back to us, have us burn the rubber out, re-sandblast and bam brand new part. i see what your saying though....... they don't literally "go in the trash"
ChesusRice
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The Big black hole in defense spending is repairable parts
For instance
CIWS weapons platforms have hundreds of circuit boards on them. These guns need to be up at all times. The CIWS can detect faults in a board. We buy these boards for 5-20k a piece
If a resistor goes out we send them back to the contractor who gives us a 2k credit
Do the math
The resistors are mil-spec
meaning instead of .25 cents they cost the contractor a buck fifty
They install the resistor and sell us the board back for 5-20k
For instance
CIWS weapons platforms have hundreds of circuit boards on them. These guns need to be up at all times. The CIWS can detect faults in a board. We buy these boards for 5-20k a piece
If a resistor goes out we send them back to the contractor who gives us a 2k credit
Do the math
The resistors are mil-spec
meaning instead of .25 cents they cost the contractor a buck fifty
They install the resistor and sell us the board back for 5-20k
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
Old enough to remember the Fulton as-11?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Nuclear winter has never been established to be anything other than alarmist tripe imo. When both sides were actively testing multimegaton bombs in atmosphere, the weather consequences were nil. The direst prediction i have heard would have a bilateral nuclear war generate 150 Tg (150 million tons) of total smoke, the majority of which would not make it into the stratosphere.
Mount Pinatubo generated 28 Mt of sulfuric aerosol in the stratosphere, and global temp reduction was measured/estimated at 0.2 to 0.7 degrees Celsius. And sulfate aerosol is a better IR shield than smoke. A maximal nuclear war can match but not exceed that effect in my considered opinion.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:z01cGp-iaAkJ:bprc.osu.edu/Icecore/Cole-Dai-97-GRL.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgnwsQbILn76IEEpJFTMG9nFW-6ouEI8bDHtf7G3AUp4Shq5WmxBf_-r4sQvG2tk7ADKKYo919rcenlp0kaQV7WcPI6UZWIqPFXXWUcU4PBD7E0g0fEc8HDd5_W7UF8wIFKLz21&sig=AHIEtbR5eSsoqwYFp6tl71bbqtyTj1kbZg
Ordinarily I tend to agree with you, but in this instance I will ask you to please ask yourself what's real. I don't give nuclear winter scenarois much credence with today's arsenals reduced in bomb numbers and sharply reduced in aggregate yield.
So: how much actual damage can 1500 warheads/bombs actually do? They couldn't even fully resurface or render uninhabitable a mid-sized state, should we choose to do something really stupid. cn
ChesusRice
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In June 1991, the second largest volcanic eruption of the twentieth century* took place on the island of Luzon in the Philippines, a mere 90 kilometers (55 miles) northwest of the capital city Manila. Up to 800 people were killed and 100,000 became homeless following the Mount Pinatubo eruption, which climaxed with nine hours of eruption on June 15, 1991. On June 15, millions of tons of sulfur dioxide were discharged into the atmosphere, resulting in a decrease in the temperature worldwide over the next few years.
How do you think that compares to 3000 nuclear warheads going off in citys?
How do you think that compares to 3000 nuclear warheads going off in citys?
blindbaby
Active Member
WELL, THEY ARE EMPLOEES. many do not support the war efforts, or even vote. people have died so you have this right. but, i think this shows that a perosn does what they are told. its their job. unless you dont understand that value. i was tempted to run over one of our "occupieers", resently. i realized that the sweat on my balls was worth more than his whole, worthless, anti american self. these kids are getting brainwashed. If you have no feelings for the help they do do, well, and if i were as unhappy as you apparently are, id LEAVE this county that makes u unhappy. try one of the mid east ones. iran. turkey. syria. or, venezela, n, korea, red china, russia. a big list of choices! funny, tho, how so many die trying to get here. because they hate us??? i think not. heck yes, id leave if i felt like you do. please do. please.
tomahawk2406
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born in 89, i believe that was a little before my time. lol (i just did a little research) I'm more of a kaman aerospace kid. grew up with that mill right in my home town. lol helicopters everywhere
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I answered that ... about even, and thus with negligible global climate effects. cn
Proof of military loving retards. You would figure being so pro military you would of had the discipline to spell words right. Maybe use commas and periods in the appropriate places as well.