Canna Sylvan
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My girls would beg to differ.
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ChesusRice
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Easily
100s of people drown in chlorinated pools every year
Intelligent people can easily see the trend
Chlorine drowns people
ginjawarrior
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Ah but that's chorine the added themselves where's the government chorine?
kpmarine
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Like how I long ago realized spoons are the real cause of obesity?
ChesusRice
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I can tell you are a very intelligent man
I give you rep for realizing that it is the dinnerware that is the cause of obesity
In Ethiopia they do not have a obesity problem
Becuase the use of dinnerware is a rare event
kpmarine
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Great minds, good sir. Did you know that 90% of all criminal's homes also contain bread or bread products? I'm no expert, but this clearly warrants, considoughration. (Sorry, couldn't help myself.)
ChesusRice
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FUck
it was right in front of our face the whole time
kpmarine
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Getting back to the evils of spoons. All criminals in America, since 2010, have used flatware multiple times. Spoons are part of the flatware family of utensils. Coincidence? 100% of the people I asked don't think so.
I never once said that Chlorine in tap water was bad for you, so you keep making arguments that didn't happen with yourself, in the mirror. I also never made the claim that Silver was a LESS EXPENSIVE alternative, its an alternative, cost would come down with production.
I have looked into silver as a water purifier, I just don't have the inclination to teach you all that I know because you wouldn't accept it anyway, so whats the point? You are hell bent on fluoride and chlorine in your tap water when it is unnecessary.
So your argument goes nowhere.
100% of all criminals/addicts have drank water, water is the ultimate gateway drug. Perhaps it is because of the Fluoride and Chlorine?
kpmarine
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So you don't think chlorine in the water is bad for you? Yet you don't want it in the water? So what's the point of changing what doesn't need fixing? Why are you arguing in favor of here? If there's no upside, what's your angle? Silver is a very finite resource with tons of already existing uses in industry. This will only make things more expensive in the long run. Not to mention dealing with a heavy metal floating about in our municipal water. What happens when you pour silver treated tap water outside? What is that going to do to your soil? It's antimicrobial, so I'd imagine that over time that could be bad for soil microbes. How do we prevent buildup in our ground water supply turning everyone blue? Chlorine is a useful micronutrient for humans and plants, and it dissipates quickly. Meaning buildup of harmful concentrations in soil and ground water can't become an issue, because it can't build up. Silver does not just dissapate into the air, it's much more stable. It hangs around for a long time.
I don't need you to teach me anything about water purification using silver. You already said:
. After that little gem, you have proven to me you need to do your homework on how silver actually kills bacteria. You don't really have anything to teach me about it, as far as I can tell. Unless you read up on it last night, and have some other explanation backed by science. However, I'm pretty sure that they haven't changed views on how silver actually works as an anti-microbial. If you do though, I'd be more than happy to hear it.
As far as the fluoride goes. I can take it or leave it. Like I said, it was put in the water by democratic process. If you think it's dangerous. write your congressman about it and tell him to change it. Or try to make it happen at a local level. There's a federally mandated max concentration, and no minimum one. Hopefully your ground water isn't one of the sources that didn't need fluoridated in the first place, there's a few of those. So even if you remove the added fluoride everywhere else, some people are ingesting it in those quantities naturally. Not really solving the problem. Now if you wanted to raise hell about the added fluoride in locations that are not disclosed to us (IOW: The real problem here.), that might actually prevent small children from getting too much fluoride in their diets. Congress definitely has the power to require fluoride concentrations be listed on packaging. Problem solved.
Having silver ions disinfect water through mechanical agitation isn't anything like colloidal silver, you need to do more studying and see how its actually done instead of repeating that all this silver would be in the water. Pure silver is insoluble in water, do you not understand what that means?
Silver IONS do the work of disinfecting, not whole particles of silver as you previously sternly asserted that it did, glad to see you changed your story and are now aligned with mine.
kpmarine
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My apologies for the confusion, A particle can include any small piece of matter. It's a very sweeping term that applies to any of the basic forms of mater and energy. I said a while ago it was charged particles of silver, that's what a silver ion is. This is what a colloid is, courtesy of Merriam-Webster:
a : a substance that consists of particles dispersed throughout another substance which are too small for resolution with an ordinary light microscope but are incapable of passing through a semipermeable membrane
Silver ions, suspended in water, are colloidal silver. It's not a vague term. "Silver ions disinfecting water through mechanical agitation.", is agitating colloidal silver. I'd assume low-dosage, but colloidal silver still. Colloidal silver is produced by ionizing silver molecules and suspending them in water. In order to get it back into suspension, you shake (a.k.a. "agitate") it. So you're essentially agitating colloidal silver, if I read you description literally. So where do the silver ions go after you are done sanitizing the water? Do you remove them?
Yes, I do know what insoluble means. That does not mean that silver ions cannot remain in suspension for quite some time. They will eventually settle out, "eventually" being the active term here.
Still though, you have not given a reason why this is in any way better than the current method of chlorination. If you just want to change it for the sake of changing it, then there's really no point to this discussion. If you want to change it for some compelling reason, like safety or cost, I'm all ears. Otherwise, this is just pointless.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
A colloid is composed of particles above a certain size ... thus the invocation of a semipermeable membrane. Typically, such membranes exclude above a weight of a few thousand or a size above a few nanometers. Ionic silver is not colloidal. Colloidal gold is available ... polyatomic particles being kicked by Brownian motion and inhibited from agglutinating. It's also a lovely blood-red color.
Colloidal silver is imo a sales term, because particulate silver is not air-stable ... and would turn the water blue. Ionic silver is the active principle, and those Apollo-tech silver cartridges provide sustained release of very low concentrations of active, ionized silver.
Silver and chlorine are both viable means of sterilizing water. For the large municipal scale, chlorine is an obvious winner.
For a small personal scale (e.g. backpacking), silver has the great benefit od compact stable storage. But the silver in water is more toxic, and more cumulatively so, than any halogen. cn
ChesusRice
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Colloidal silver kills germs
And turns you into a smurf
FACT
No, this is not a character from Star Trek. This is an actual guy with a
permanent, incurable condition called argyria, which he got from ingesting a
substance called colloidal silver, which has no proven medical benefits but
which is marketed as an “alternative medicine” treatment for all manner of
common ailments. (This guy was taking it for arthritis.) This is all perfectly
legal thanks to super-dumbass Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, who wrote the 1994
Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act, which basically states that as long
as you label something a “dietary supplement” and not a “drug” (the majority of
such “supplements” are manufactured in Utah), you can basically put anything you
want in the bottle and there is no oversight whatsoever
And turns you into a smurf
FACT
No, this is not a character from Star Trek. This is an actual guy with a
permanent, incurable condition called argyria, which he got from ingesting a
substance called colloidal silver, which has no proven medical benefits but
which is marketed as an “alternative medicine” treatment for all manner of
common ailments. (This guy was taking it for arthritis.) This is all perfectly
legal thanks to super-dumbass Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, who wrote the 1994
Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act, which basically states that as long
as you label something a “dietary supplement” and not a “drug” (the majority of
such “supplements” are manufactured in Utah), you can basically put anything you
want in the bottle and there is no oversight whatsoever
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The exact same condition is induced by taking in ionic silver. Silver/protein preps (e.g. Argyrol™ were popular once and had the same liability. cn
were popular once and had the same liability. cnChesusRice
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No
Criminals have existed long before we added chlorine and flouride
I think Criminals are created thru use of dinnerware
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
kpmarine
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The Green Rajah was a force of good.
kpmarine
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That's more what I was getting at, thanks cann. Small scale; silver is dandy and convenient. I just don't think large scale is really wise or logical.
Here's a question regarding what you were saying at the beginning regarding colloidal and ionized silver being different. I have seen those home-made "colloidal silver generators" that rely on electrolysis. Doesn't that create an ionized silver suspension? Or am I just misunderstanding how that works?