A US Teenager Who Grew Up In Denver Was Executed WITHOUT TRIAL With a DRONE

[Dr Kynes]

Al Awaki also visited the whitehouse for dinner. Look how that turned out for him.

and whoever posted he allegedly said after his father died "he wanted to be a martyr also"......well 16 year old kids tend to say some fucked up shit when their father gets killed..fuck they say fucked up shit if they get their driving privileges taken away..

You people are forgetting this is a minor...and to DE-humanize him by calling him "turd" and what not you should all be ashamed...he wasn't going to hurt anyone and he did not deserve to die Idk who the fuck he was its a 16 year old kid thousands of miles away, even had he been tried for something he is a fucking kid, go ahead keep making excuses for children being murdered if it makes you feel better...for the sake of the any state no person should die in my opinion, no state is worthy, especially not women and children.

Go on be good little serfs and defend your state at all costs, look what it is you are doing, defending child murder, look what the state is doing to you and to us. It is inevitable. People defend moral rules, and then defend the most blatant violations of these same moral rules. This how we are controlled. This is how we are propagandized. This is how money dies. This is how freedom dies.

If someone gives you a moral rule, the first thing to do is to examine not the rule, but the exception. Who is not bound by that rule? Who gets to do the exact opposite? It will always be those in power -- that is why moral rules exist. Any thinker who actually tries to apply universal moral rules universally is considered insane, bizarre, ridiculous -- because the purpose of universal morality is the exception, the violation. Witness the true insanity here as you defend a child's murder by the state.

yes, children cant hurt anybody, they would never do violence, they are all precious snowflakes, innocent and pure.

the loss of any child is a tragedy. let us all weep.

enjoy your capitulation. for a self proclaimed anarcho-whateverist you sure dont know how a dog-eat-dog system works. those who are reluctant to meet violence with violence become slaves or food.

 

[deprave]

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yes, children cant hurt anybody, they would never do violence, they are all precious snowflakes, innocent and pure.

the loss of any child is a tragedy. let us all weep.

enjoy your capitulation. for a self proclaimed anarcho-whateverist you sure dont know how a dog-eat-dog system works. those who are reluctant to meet violence with violence become slaves or food.

Are you scared of that todler with the AK47 Big man?

go on keep making this into something its not, spouting your glenn beck propaganda, you might as well go work for the government then seeing as how you think they need to protect and codle us from the big bad children in this dog eat dog world pfft....

Try reading into what I wrote actually, let it sink in your thick skull...for christ sakes you just posted pictures of babies and said "its a dog eat dog world".............again...

Witness the true insanity here as you defend a child's murder by a state.



P.S. ALSO I AM A LIBERTARIAN NOT AN ANARCHIST, A REAL LIBERTARIAN WHO RECOGNIZES THAT THE STATE IS THE MAFIA, ONE WHO DOESN'T SUPPORT AGGRESSION UNLESS IN SELF DEFENSE BY A STATE ESPECIALLY, ONE WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVES IN THE CONSTITUTION AND NATURAL RIGHTS. YOU SIR ARE A NEOCON. YOU DON'T EVEN RECOGIZE THAT THIS IS PROPAGANDA YOUR SPITTING - THIS IS THE STATE IN YOU SPEAKING, I CAN SMELL IT FROM A MILE AWAY, YOU CAN'T EVEN SMELL IT ON YOUR OWN SKIN.

 

[Dr Kynes]

the looneys who give those kids guns also strap bombs to retarded kids, hide grenades in diapers, launch rockets into neighborhoods, blow up bus stops, machinegun preschools etc etc etc...

capitutaltion because they push their own kids out in front as human shields is foolish and self defeating.

alawaki junior was not a "child" he was an angsty teenager hanging out with dickheads who would be more than happy to put a bomb in his rucksack aand send him off to a preschool, or hand him a machinegun and send him off to martyrdom.

do you also weep for the "kids" who shoot each other down in east LA with startling regularity? do you cry when an "innocent teen" pops off with a drive-by and kills a 7 year old in her own living room? do you cry for the kids killed by hamas when they lob rockets blindly into israeli neighborhoods?

hypocrite.

 

[deprave]

do you also weep for the "kids" who shoot each other down in east LA with startling regularity? do you cry when an "innocent teen" pops off with a drive-by and kills a 7 year old in her own living room? do you cry for the kids killed by hamas when they lob rockets blindly into israeli neighborhoods?

Yes I do, I do not think kids should die, Can you read? Apparently you do, but Keep on making excuses. Make this fit into your delusion..

 

[Dr Kynes]

Yes I do, I do not think kids should die, Can you read? Apparently you do, but Keep on making excuses. Make this fit into your delusion..

a delusion would be believing that as long as the asshole with the bomb is under 18 he must be harmless.

i suppose the actually innocent kids killed by terrorists around the world got the appropriate "due process" from their killers in the split second between "allahu ackbar" and the explosion right?

waiting for a rabid dog to bite before you put it down is foolish. but thats what one might expect from somebody who advocates for a utopia based on anarchy. just silly.

 

[Nitegazer]

The low standard of civilization our nation's leaders have created makes us no better than the worst that we try to dominate. Reading though some of this thread is like reading rants from Al-Quaida. The US has lost the war; we are occupied by the barbarians-- ourselves.

 

[ginwilly]

I'm not a lawyer but could he have been tried as an adult In absentia? That would have been enough to satisfy the constitution wouldn't it?

I think I mean satisfy due process. I just cringe thinking about what this autonomy could lead to. Eventually we are going to elect a lunatic, I dont want the lunatic having this power either.

 

[cannabineer]

The low standard of civilization our nation's leaders have created makes us no better than the worst that we try to dominate. Reading though some of this thread is like reading rants from Al-Quaida. The US has lost the war; we are occupied by the barbarians-- ourselves.

Part of the problem is that we are trying to use the traditional conflict resolution tool between nation-states ... war ... against non-national entities. Bombing the piss out of a Sudanese aspirin factory was a lousy response to 9-11. But since the USA isn't (and should never be) organized like the non-national action/terrorism networks whom we've designated the enemy, we lost from the first move.
In a sense, it really is a republic v. barbarians struggle. The values we hold dear prevent our mounting the appropriately barbarous response to those who don't have such laws. I don't have an easy, palatable answer to that conundrum. cn

 

[canndo]

I'm not a lawyer but could he have been tried as an adult In absentia? That would have been enough to satisfy the constitution wouldn't it?

I think I mean satisfy due process. I just cringe thinking about what this autonomy could lead to. Eventually we are going to elect a lunatic, I dont want the lunatic having this power either.

The accused has the right to confront their accusers. They have a right to a trial by their peers.

 

[kelly4]

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Jihadist clan rally?

The little one is dressed different, he must be the Grand Wizard.....Take him out....

 

[cannabineer]

But look at the battery packs on their vests! Hybrid jihadis are the way of the future. The green headband is your mark of environmental responsibility. cn

 

[Nitegazer]

Part of the problem is that we are trying to use the traditional conflict resolution tool between nation-states ... war ... against non-national entities. Bombing the piss out of a Sudanese aspirin factory was a lousy response to 9-11. But since the USA isn't (and should never be) organized like the non-national action/terrorism networks whom we've designated the enemy, we lost from the first move.
In a sense, it really is a republic v. barbarians struggle. The values we hold dear prevent our mounting the appropriately barbarous response to those who don't have such laws. I don't have an easy, palatable answer to that conundrum. cn

In a strange way, the lopsided struggle the US has is similar to the American Revolution. The Brits wanted to fight the 'civilized' way: lining up on the battlefield and sending volley after volley at each others lines. The revolutionary fighters fought guerrilla style, hiding in trees, making quick strike raids, etc. When fighting on someone elses home turf, the home teem will use any resource at their disposal to defend their homeland.

My trouble has less to do with the horrors of the war itself (I can't think of a war without atrocities), as with the glib attitude folks back in the US have about it. We have become so jaded that the civilian population no longer pushes back for the rule of law, or resists the expansion of governmental power-- folks even cheer it on.

In this dark mindset, the only comfort people find is that the US is the mightiest, wealthiest and most familiar. We hope that as long as the military forces are fighting someone else we are safe. The trouble with 'might is right' is that sooner or later the mightiest will not be on our side. We are creating a world in which we will eventually be subjugated, and no one will stand up for us.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Jihadist clan rally?

The little one is dressed different, he must be the Grand Wizard.....Take him out....

no, they are innocent children, and until they actually detonate their bomb filled underoos they should be treated like the special snowflakes they are.


the germans didnt have to worry about this child, he was only 17 and thus totally harmless.


an innocent lad of only 16 years. dont concern yourself. he's as gentle as a lamb



a 13 year old boy is surely no threat... just let him take a few swings so he can feel like he is doing well.


those innocent children could never harm anyone.

 

[Nitegazer]

no, they are innocent children, and until they actually detonate their bomb filled underoos they should be treated like the special snowflakes they are.

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the germans didnt have to worry about this child, he was only 17 and thus totally harmless.

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an innocent lad of only 16 years. dont concern yourself. he's as gentle as a lamb


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a 13 year old boy is surely no threat... just let him take a few swings so he can feel like he is doing well.

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those innocent children could never harm anyone.

You must have been very upset when the Supreme Court ruled against the death penalty for minors, calling it 'cruel and unusual.'

 

[cannabineer]

I think the principal difference is that we didn't send raiding parties to London.

Both Viet Nam and the current Mideast fiasco has us in the role played by the British back then. And we got and are getting our helmets handed to us. Our leadership learned the Viet Nam lesson for a while, as evidenced by the way we used our military in '90 and '91. but we seem to have squandered it all over again under first Bushbaby and now Obama. The one expectation i had of an o presidency was a quick and definite end to Bushbaby's adventurism. i have no idea why o saw fit to continue. cn

 

[Nitegazer]

Agreed. 'See the new boss, same as the old boss."

 

[Dr Kynes]

You must have been very upset when the Supreme Court ruled agains the death penalty for minors, calling it 'cruel and unusual.'

nope.

i hold no strong feelings one way or the other about the death penalty except when it is sentenced it should be carried out sometime that decade.

i hold no strong feelings for alawaki junior either. he hoisted himself on his own petard and became a stain on the pavement.

same goes for "grizzlyman", now widely known as grizzlypoop and Steve "The Stingray Annoyer" Irwin

doing dumb shit like hanging out with a guy from al quaeda tends to have consequences which could be called unfortunate,, but since junior stated his desire to become a martyr it was actually sort of doing him a favour. all the glory, none of the work.

 

[Nitegazer]

I can understand your thinking that this particular case is one where the death is justified. The problem is that there is no standard of what evidence is necessary to make the kill order. We are developing a system outside of any established law. If the standard is as low as guilt by association, this could get ugly quick.

You seem to think that defending Awlaki is naive. I tend to think that it is naive to think that the gov't will use this new power responsibly. I fear a $700 billion military force much more than some punk, regardless of who he hangs out with.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I can understand your thinking that this particular case is one where the death is justified. The problem is that there is no standard of what evidence is necessary to make the kill order. We are developing a system outside of any established law. If the standard is as low as guilt by association, this could get ugly quick.

You seem to think that defending Awlaki is naive. I tend to think that it is naive to think that the gov't will use this new power responsibly. I fear a $700 billion military force much more than some punk, regardless of who he hangs out with.

alawaki junior was NOT targeted. he was in a target zone. the details are sketchy still even a year later. the whitehouse now says they threw 3 missiles at 3 locations they believed al banni was hiding, and alawaki junior was killed by one of them along with several other persons the yemeni govt says were ALSO (besides junior) militants. all 3 target locations were in yemeni territory held by alquaeda forces, not the yemeni government.

again al banni, known terrorist was the target. alawaki junior was a suspect in the target zone, not a target. if he were not a us citizen he would be just another yemeni junior militant, another incidental casualty from a drone strike, and there would be no manufactured outrage.

coincidentally, if the alquaeda clowns didnt hide in neighborhoods then the neigborhoods would be safe.

 

[canndo]

I can understand your thinking that this particular case is one where the death is justified. The problem is that there is no standard of what evidence is necessary to make the kill order. We are developing a system outside of any established law. If the standard is as low as guilt by association, this could get ugly quick.

You seem to think that defending Awlaki is naive. I tend to think that it is naive to think that the gov't will use this new power responsibly. I fear a $700 billion military force much more than some punk, regardless of who he hangs out with.

I am a confirmed liberal but I am aware that government is always to be feared, the only check is vigilance and intolerance of govermental abuse. I have seen preliminary evidence that the NSA is compiling polygraph records of U.S. citizens. It is convenient for them to do so but it is not to be accepted. Killing Citizens is not to be accepted. All we really have to go on is that same government that killed this boy's word that this boy was an enemy. I want disclosure and I want checks from other branches of government and above all I do not want our system of government replaced with expedience. government will ALWAYS overstep their legal bounds.